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I Support Nazis and the white nationalists

I support the NAZIS and the White Nationalists

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The Resister said:
The problem is, the general public and the MSM have declared that you are either on the side of antifa or the nazi / white nationalist coalition.

When I state, unequivocally, that I'm not on either side, I'm put on the white nationalist side by default (insofar as the masses are concerned.) The nazis don't want me. I'm not a National Socialist, but rather a strict constructionist that believes in the Constitution.
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How did this happen? Did they have a huge convention and vote on it? A secret meeting somewhere? Or, are you using a tired, near dead, should be in the pallative ward, lame blame everything on a conspiracy.

The media hasn't declared anything, they have reported on your president...and the MSM is NOT different from international press who see and say the same thing.

Did it ever occur to you that people see it that is because it's presented that way?

"White Nationalists" many say are not this or that, nothing to do with Nazi's, but tell me, are they "anti-immigration"?

People link them together because they are so similar the minor distinctions raised aren't noticeable for people who have more important things to do.

I would sooner live with a new-Canadian Muslim, than any of the "Nationalist" assholes like those who showed up with military grade hardware, shields and clubs.
 
The Resister said:
I've answered this so many times on this board, I've forgotten what threads I did so in. This issue, for the players involved, is NOT about race. It is about power and control.

The same organizations fighting and the ones keeping the lists started out with segregated schools, then removing nativity scenes on public property. From there it was the battle over the Ten Commandments. Then they went after Confederate flags. Once that battle was won, they went for erasing white history from street and road signs; the names of schools and government buildings. They're taking white people's faces off the currency. Today they've won on the issue of memorials, statues and monuments.

Then , they went after the statue of Roger Taney. After this battle is over, it leaves them with attacking the American flag and then the genocide will no longer be subtle. It will be the whites in the cross hairs.
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How exactly does desegregating schools create a "white genocide"......
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
are you a white nationalist?
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I'm not in any organization espousing such a view. So, it would appear not. In all due honesty, I don't even know what the current crop of people on the right believe. To be fair, a lot of the stuff coming from the right is NOT the same thing they believed 15 years ago.

Now that I've seen what they are about, my thinking is that Trump might have had his head in the time period of fifteen or twenty years ago as well.
 
Tigerace117 said:
How exactly does desegregating schools create a "white genocide"......
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What are you talking about? What does your question have to do with what you quoted me as having written?
 
The Resister said:
I'm not in any organization espousing such a view. So, it would appear not. In all due honesty, I don't even know what the current crop of people on the right believe. To be fair, a lot of the stuff coming from the right is NOT the same thing they believed 15 years ago.

Now that I've seen what they are about, my thinking is that Trump might have had his head in the time period of fifteen or twenty years ago as well.
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Why are you tap dancing? one does not need an organization to be a white nationalist. Tell me, are you a white nationalist?
 
Jesse Booth said:
At the very least, we can all agree that white nationalists are authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought, correct?
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Wouldn't Black lives matter fall into that same category?


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Fearandloathing said:
How did this happen? Did they have a huge convention and vote on it? A secret meeting somewhere? Or, are you using a tired, near dead, should be in the pallative ward, lame blame everything on a conspiracy.

The media hasn't declared anything, they have reported on your president...and the MSM is NOT different from international press who see and say the same thing.

Did it ever occur to you that people see it that is because it's presented that way?

"White Nationalists" many say are not this or that, nothing to do with Nazi's, but tell me, are they "anti-immigration"?

People link them together because they are so similar the minor distinctions raised aren't noticeable for people who have more important things to do.

I would sooner live with a new-Canadian Muslim, than any of the "Nationalist" assholes like those who showed up with military grade hardware, shields and clubs.
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OMG. The media is, always has been and always be left of center. They produce a given narrative and guide the public into adopting points of view that are inconsistent with reality - as you just did! Conspiracy theory my hind quarters.

From what I can tell, you are right on one level. But, you fall victim of the usual MSM produced thinking. I cannot speak for the people who were at the rallies. I wasn't there. Unless you were, then you don't actually know the truth. Many people with experience dealing with the media know that they aren't accurate.

For example, where I live they had some political rallies where I live once. Our local paper said about 200 conservatives came out. Knowing the reporter, I had to call him and ask if he and went to the same place. He as claiming a very low number, but our group put 11100 plus flyers into the hands of conservatives that day. Even figuring there were a lot of duplications, it was much more than the reporters wanted to admit. And their quotes??? Let's say they don't quote people like that any longer. But, the MSM finds new and novel ways to sell you the left wing narrative.
 
The Resister said:
OMG. The media is, always has been and always be left of center. They produce a given narrative and guide the public into adopting points of view that are inconsistent with reality - as you just did! Conspiracy theory my hind quarters.

From what I can tell, you are right on one level. But, you fall victim of the usual MSM produced thinking. I cannot speak for the people who were at the rallies. I wasn't there. Unless you were, then you don't actually know the truth. Many people with experience dealing with the media know that they aren't accurate.

For example, where I live they had some political rallies where I live once. Our local paper said about 200 conservatives came out. Knowing the reporter, I had to call him and ask if he and went to the same place. He as claiming a very low number, but our group put 11100 plus flyers into the hands of conservatives that day. Even figuring there were a lot of duplications, it was much more than the reporters wanted to admit. And their quotes??? Let's say they don't quote people like that any longer. But, the MSM finds new and novel ways to sell you the left wing narrative.
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I got no further than the bold. The media is left of center according to whom?

Clearly you are pro-Trump and the extremists who killed and wounded people in Charottesville, which lays bare the issue of whether YOU have a balanced view, and the answer is "**** no."

For the record I watch no television other than an occasional hockey game. I read the Guardian, Globe and Mail, Vancouver Sun and several European based media outlets along with the BBC and CBC, Le Journal of Paris, Les Journal Montreal..... none of whom have no dog in your petty fights. But when the editors of no less ten outlets are all telling the same story in general terms I tend to believe them over people who unabashedly support the president who has told more lies than the last five presidents put together. NOT ONE of those outlets supported the president's view and they had more information than, as they had the video and boots on the ground, right in the face of what's happening.

I am NOT a "victim" of anything. How you could make such a comment about someone who you've never met, have no knowledge about and to you represents a severe threat to your version of "truth", but is typical of the lying, distorting, insult hurling Trump camp.

Further, sir, I was a journalist in newspaper, radio and television for over 25 years, and still teach courses at the Community College level.

Since you've never seen the inside of a newsroom, have no idea what are the prime principles of journalism or the rules around gathering and reporting the news, have no idea how to compose a news story and think "reverse pyramid" is sex position.

But you see, all that experience has at least taught me to recognize bias, in others and in myself. You yammer and yammer using White House talking points and demonstrate that none of your thinking is at all original, you're merely echoing the gang of losers who continue to support the guy.

One last point, based on the known lies out of the Trump administration there is no reason to believe anyone in that gang.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Why are you tap dancing? one does not need an organization to be a white nationalist. Tell me, are you a white nationalist?
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You really need to get a grip on this. You are not interrogating me. I don't owe you anything and I'm not tap dancing.

I'm telling you straight up, I do not support the nazis nor National Socialism in any way, shape, fashion or form. My first fifty or so posts on this board exposed them for what they are. Why would I support any effort that put them on the same playing field with me?

Then you get to white nationalists. I don't belong to any of their organizations. So, tell us, are you a supporter of antifa?

Not belonging to any "white nationalist" organization, I am not condemning them until I know exactly who all is in those groups and what they stand for. What you're doing is asking me is, perhaps, tantamount to condemning an entire people predicated upon the actions of a few.

Muslims slaughter Americans in our streets and the media claims it is not "all Muslims." We give them the benefit of the doubt. So, you should get off your high horse and figure it out. If someone rejects prejudice, then they reject prejudice. What is prejudice?

Prejudice is when you issue an opinion without thought, knowledge, or reason.

That is exactly what you expect me to do and just because I won't take your word for everything, you want to stomp your feet and act like you're a petulant child. All I can tell you is that you cannot piegon hole me into antifa v white nationalist.

I've been against Trump's wall and I've been in favor of leaving the statues and monuments alone. I don't want to reign supreme over anybody and I don't want to impose my views on anyone, but at the same time if a Christian baker won't bake a cake for a gay couple, I'm in support of his rights and won't judge him. When I was much younger, I was involved in an armed stand-off involving a black man whose farm was about to auctioned off for failure to pay the taxes on time. It was resolved peacefully when a rich benefactor struck a deal to pay the taxes and a late fee in exchange for allowing the guy to keep his farm and let us go home in peace.

You figure out how you want to characterize it. If you're angling for a reason to call me a racist, don't be coy. Say it. If name calling and jockeying for some nonexistent top dog spot is what you're after, it will not bother me in the least. It only adds to the belief that I have that people like you will want us to decide between antifa and white nationalist. That's the bigger problem, in my way of thinking.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I got no further than the bold. The media is left of center according to whom?

Clearly you are pro-Trump and the extremists who killed and wounded people in Charottesville, which lays bare the issue of whether YOU have a balanced view, and the answer is "**** no."

For the record I watch no television other than an occasional hockey game. I read the Guardian, Globe and Mail, Vancouver Sun and several European based media outlets along with the BBC and CBC, Le Journal of Paris, Les Journal Montreal..... none of whom have no dog in your petty fights. But when the editors of no less ten outlets are all telling the same story in general terms I tend to believe them over people who unabashedly support the president who has told more lies than the last five presidents put together. NOT ONE of those outlets supported the president's view and they had more information than, as they had the video and boots on the ground, right in the face of what's happening.

I am NOT a "victim" of anything. How you could make such a comment about someone who you've never met, have no knowledge about and to you represents a severe threat to your version of "truth", but is typical of the lying, distorting, insult hurling Trump camp.

Further, sir, I was a journalist in newspaper, radio and television for over 25 years, and still teach courses at the Community College level.

Since you've never seen the inside of a newsroom, have no idea what are the prime principles of journalism or the rules around gathering and reporting the news, have no idea how to compose a news story and think "reverse pyramid" is sex position.

But you see, all that experience has at least taught me to recognize bias, in others and in myself. You yammer and yammer using White House talking points and demonstrate that none of your thinking is at all original, you're merely echoing the gang of losers who continue to support the guy.

One last point, based on the known lies out of the Trump administration there is no reason to believe anyone in that gang.
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I've seen the insides of more newsrooms than you care to imagine. And, unlike you, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm his biggest critic. You are attacking me with the typical fear and prejudice that those who are uninformed and are known for.

If you expect me to believe you know anything about journalism, then you are as wrong as presupposing that I even bother to listen to Trump for talking points.
 
The Resister said:
What are you talking about? What does your question have to do with what you quoted me as having written?
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You are whining about groups fighting against "segregated schools". Care to explain?
 
The Resister said:
I've seen the insides of more newsrooms than you care to imagine. And, unlike you, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm his biggest critic. You are attacking me with the typical fear and prejudice that those who are uninformed and are known for.

If you expect me to believe you know anything about journalism, then you are as wrong as presupposing that I even bother to listen to Trump for talking points.
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"And, unlike you, I'm not a Trump supporter."

Find ONE post where I have said anything good about that moron.

Based on that one mistake alone tells me you don't pay attention..

If you're not a Trump supporter..,.ah **** it..it aint worth it
 
Makes you wonder if the results were different if the poll wasn't public.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You are whining about groups fighting against "segregated schools". Care to explain?
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Visionworks is open tomorrow. I haven't voiced ANY opinion about segregated schools. Either you need new glasses or your reading skills need to be rechecked.
 
Cigar said:
Why is this so difficult for The President of The United States?
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He understands the 1st Amendment and the duty our Founding Fathers expected from us to protect it.

Obviously, hate trumps the Constitution for liberal/socialist progressives.
 
Fearandloathing said:
"And, unlike you, I'm not a Trump supporter."

Find ONE post where I have said anything good about that moron.

Based on that one mistake alone tells me you don't pay attention..

If you're not a Trump supporter..,.ah **** it..it aint worth it
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Now you know how I feel when the favor is returned.

I only voted for the man because the Democrats won't run a candidate that agrees with the Constitution.
 
The Resister said:
Now you know how I feel when the favor is returned.

I only voted for the man because the Democrats won't run a candidate that agrees with the Constitution.
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That's a piss poor excuse, Jeebus. "Neither" of your parties are about anything other than representing the donor class.
 
The Resister said:
You really need to get a grip on this. You are not interrogating me. I don't owe you anything and I'm not tap dancing.

I'm telling you straight up, I do not support the nazis nor National Socialism in any way, shape, fashion or form. My first fifty or so posts on this board exposed them for what they are. Why would I support any effort that put them on the same playing field with me?

Then you get to white nationalists. I don't belong to any of their organizations. So, tell us, are you a supporter of antifa?
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No I am not anti-antifa, look at me as a proud member of what Indiana Jones would have been. Not a racist, not ashamed of what I was born, but despise nazis, racists, and other scum. easy enough.....


Are you a white nationalist? you made it clear you are not a nazi, but are you a white nationalist?




Not belonging to any "white nationalist" organization, I am not condemning them until I know exactly who all is in those groups and what they stand for. What you're doing is asking me is, perhaps, tantamount to condemning an entire people predicated upon the actions of a few.[/quote[

White nationalist is a philosophy not an organization. do you believe in white nationalism? What do you believe? expound.


Muslims slaughter Americans in our streets and the media claims it is not "all Muslims." We give them the benefit of the doubt. So, you should get off your high horse and figure it out. If someone rejects prejudice, then they reject prejudice. What is prejudice?
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I think islam is an oppressive religion and everytime it gets power it oppresses rights often brutally. I have no qualms about saying so even to my muslim friends. I am very open about my positions, I don't hide or obfuscate them as a coward.

Prejudice is when you issue an opinion without thought, knowledge, or reason.

That is exactly what you expect me to do and just because I won't take your word for everything, you want to stomp your feet and act like you're a petulant child. All I can tell you is that you cannot piegon hole me into antifa v white nationalist.
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Not trying to do that at all. I simply asked if you were a white nationalist..... here ask me "good reverend, are you a white nationalist"?


no.... I tend towards amercian peolple exceptionalism , anti-racism, libertarianism cream will rise to the topismr. I believe our government doesnt serve we the people anymore and am against perpetual war. I wont apologize for being white, I actually like it. then again if reaincarnation were a thing I'd love to come back as ablack man, satorically they can wear anything which make me super jealous, I look rediculous in rose gold. ..... that said I'll hammer the skull of a nazi or overt racist given the chance. American chauvinism in an all inclusive manner, I think snoop dogs swagger is every bit American pride as any country song today.

I've been against Trump's wall and I've been in favor of leaving the statues and monuments alone. I don't want to reign supreme over anybody and I don't want to impose my views on anyone, but at the same time if a Christian baker won't bake a cake for a gay couple, I'm in support of his rights and won't judge him. When I was much younger, I was involved in an armed stand-off involving a black man whose farm was about to auctioned off for failure to pay the taxes on time. It was resolved peacefully when a rich benefactor struck a deal to pay the taxes and a late fee in exchange for allowing the guy to keep his farm and let us go home in peace.
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If this is true you need to sell your message better because you come off as a nazi, white nationalist, etc. where is the disconnect?



You figure out how you want to characterize it. If you're angling for a reason to call me a racist, don't be coy. Say it. If name calling and jockeying for some nonexistent top dog spot is what you're after, it will not bother me in the least. It only adds to the belief that I have that people like you will want us to decide between antifa and white nationalist. That's the bigger problem, in my way of thinking.
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I'm not angling ****, I am straight up asking you. The good reverend doesn't jockey for what he is and always will be. I am the top dog, the alpha, the **** of the walk, primos de los matadors, less we forget mien hier.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
No I am not anti-antifa, look at me as a proud member of what Indiana Jones would have been. Not a racist, not ashamed of what I was born, but despise nazis, racists, and other scum. easy enough.....


Are you a white nationalist? you made it clear you are not a nazi, but are you a white nationalist?




Not belonging to any "white nationalist" organization, I am not condemning them until I know exactly who all is in those groups and what they stand for. What you're doing is asking me is, perhaps, tantamount to condemning an entire people predicated upon the actions of a few.[/quote[

White nationalist is a philosophy not an organization. do you believe in white nationalism? What do you believe? expound.




I think islam is an oppressive religion and everytime it gets power it oppresses rights often brutally. I have no qualms about saying so even to my muslim friends. I am very open about my positions, I don't hide or obfuscate them as a coward.




Not trying to do that at all. I simply asked if you were a white nationalist..... here ask me "good reverend, are you a white nationalist"?


no.... I tend towards amercian peolple exceptionalism , anti-racism, libertarianism cream will rise to the topismr. I believe our government doesnt serve we the people anymore and am against perpetual war. I wont apologize for being white, I actually like it. then again if reaincarnation were a thing I'd love to come back as ablack man, satorically they can wear anything which make me super jealous, I look rediculous in rose gold. ..... that said I'll hammer the skull of a nazi or overt racist given the chance. American chauvinism in an all inclusive manner, I think snoop dogs swagger is every bit American pride as any country song today.



If this is true you need to sell your message better because you come off as a nazi, white nationalist, etc. where is the disconnect?






I'm not angling ****, I am straight up asking you. The good reverend doesn't jockey for what he is and always will be. I am the top dog, the alpha, the **** of the walk, primos de los matadors, less we forget mien hier.
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I'm not your push button monkey. I won't respond to anybody that comes off thinking they are talking down to me or treating me like I'm their slave. You are not interrogating me and quite frankly, I don't give a rip how I come off to you.

This thread is not about my personal beliefs. Had you engaged me in a civil tone, I might have responded differently. But, you aren't God; you're not a prosecutor talking to a criminal defendant and you've made what you believe in to be your personal religion.

You are not qualified to judge me. So, unless you have some really unique reason for asking me personal questions and then condemning me because I won't lick your boots and chant the mantra you want, this conversation is pretty well over.

For those who don't want to read this whizzing contest, I'm not in any organization and will not identify myself for or against any belief system unless and until I've read their platform for myself. If anybody don't like that answer, tough crap. IF white nationalists support nazis, don't expect to find me breaking bread with them.
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The Resister said:
I'm not your push button monkey. I won't respond to anybody that comes off thinking they are talking down to me or treating me like I'm their slave. You are not interrogating me and quite frankly, I don't give a rip how I come off to you.
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If I were to ask a monkey directly if it wanted a bananna, It would be more forthcoming than you.


it's a simple question, here ask me....."good reverend are you a white nationalist"?

me: "no, I am not"

simple see?


This thread is not about my personal beliefs. Had you engaged me in a civil tone, I might have responded differently. But, you aren't God; you're not a prosecutor talking to a criminal defendant and you've made what you believe in to be your personal religion.
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oh I am that and so much more...... you haven't learned have you?


You are not qualified to judge me. So, unless you have some really unique reason for asking me personal questions and then condemning me because I won't lick your boots and chant the mantra you want, this conversation is pretty well over.
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I wear flip flops in the summer, and do have a foot fetish (just ask my wife)....however I don't think you are my type being male and all,..... you seem upset.


For those who don't want to read this whizzing contest, I'm not in any organization and will not identify myself for or against any belief system unless and until I've read their platform for myself. If anybody don't like that answer, tough crap. IF white nationalists support nazis, don't expect to find me breaking bread with them.
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white nationalism is not an organization. it's a belief.. why are you so scared to answer the question?
 
Fenton Lum said:
That's a piss poor excuse, Jeebus. "Neither" of your parties are about anything other than representing the donor class.
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Can you think of a better excuse when neither candidate was worth voting for? It came down to Trump being an unknown on the Second Amendment.
 
The Resister said:
“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson

As far as I know, no Amendment has been offered to make America a ONE WORLD / ONE RELIGION / NEW WORLD ORDER based upon antifa's utopian ideology. I guess I missed the memo.

So, basically, we must choose sides and if you stand by the founding fathers, then you are a racist. We cleared that up pretty easily.
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The Constitution grants inalienable rights to mankind, not just to Americans. God given rights to everyone. The founders also believed that man was created equal. Think of women's suffrage which didn't happen until the 1920's, some 130 years after the Constitution was written.



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Dirt Sands said:
The Constitution grants inalienable rights to mankind, not just to Americans. God given rights to everyone. The founders also believed that man was created equal. Think of women's suffrage which didn't happen until the 1920's, some 130 years after the Constitution was written.



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The Constitution does NOT grant rights. I'm not talking about inalienable rights. I'm discussing unalienable Rights. There is a difference. The Constitution does not grant them.

The Bill of Rights more or less codified the language of the Declaration of Independence. A quick look at old court cases affirms this truth. Take the Right to Life. The Second Amendment acknowledges it. One example in an early court decision had this ruling:

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government.
A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." Cockrum v State 24 Tex.394, at 401-402 (1859)

The United States Supreme Court even weighed in on this principle:

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence." United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

So, let's look at this objectively: The Right exists, but it is not granted by the government and it (the Right) is not dependent upon the government for its existence. The Constitution only guarantees those Rights you already had.

In order to obfuscate the facts, the courts began ruling on inalienable rights. The Declaration of Independence uses the term unalienable Rights to describe those Rights that are inherent and above the reach of government. The earliest courts acknowledged that some Rights were literally above the law and ruled accordingly.

The intent of the 14th Amendment was to reverse the concept of God given, unalienable Rights and replace them with another kind of right. And so, they began ruling on this new government created right - the inalienable right and then proceed to limit those. The courts could always claim, according to wordsmiths, that the words inalienable and unalienable mean the same thing. As a matter of fact, the 14th Amendment, in making us all "subjects" omits God given unalienable Rights.

The government is, of course, lying to you. The courts define their own words and IF they had overtly attacked unalienable Rights, those people attuned to the facts, might have rebelled. I would still rebel today if the government now told us that they control unalienable Rights. The people have been programmed to use that term inalienable not knowing that the courts have ruled that inalienable rights are government granted and not defined in the same manner as your unalienable Rights.
 
The Resister said:
Can you think of a better excuse when neither candidate was worth voting for? It came down to Trump being an unknown on the Second Amendment.
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Cooperation and participation is what I would call it, same as if you voted for Hilary, ya got Goldman Sachs in the white house anyway, same as it ever was.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Cooperation and participation is what I would call it, same as if you voted for Hilary, ya got Goldman Sachs in the white house anyway, same as it ever was.
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You may have a little time to prepare for the inevitable. People are choosing up sides. I'm going to a prepper show on Saturday.
 
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