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What happens when we take this logic to its natural conclusion?

iguanaman said:
And again Maggie, the Confederates statutes do not belong to you but to the communities that display them on public land. If they decide they do not fit into their lives anymore who are you to force them to keep them? Take up a collection buy one and put it in your front yard if you like them so much.
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You have completely misunderstood my position or haven't completely read my posts. These statues, at least the ones I've posted about, are on public property and were authorized by the municipalities on which property they reside. If a community doesn't want those statues? They should come down. With due process. Vandalism is unacceptable.

Your argument is not with me for I never said they shouldn't come down because MaggieD didn't think they should. It is the method. Not the result.
 
ecofarm said:
You're completely missing the point. Taking down the statues is not about racism or slavery alone. You can't just drop context.

It's about having monuments to people who left the US, formed a foreign nation and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans to preserve slavery. Those are the monuments we don't want.
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And who are the "we" in your post? You? Are there any of those monuments in YOUR town? If so, then I would assume you've been addressing your town council and perhaps demonstrating in order to get them legally removed? Taking sledge hammers to them, lighting them on fire and toppling them is wrong. And I think the people who have done that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We are a nation of laws and due process.
 
MaggieD said:
And who are the "we" in your post? You? Are there any of those monuments in YOUR town? If so, then I would assume you've been addressing your town council and perhaps demonstrating in order to get them legally removed? Taking sledge hammers to them, lighting them on fire and toppling them is wrong. And I think the people who have done that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We are a nation of laws and due process.
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"We" are those opposed to Confederate monuments. And "we" would appreciate it if you managed to maintain context: people who left the US, formed a foreign government, fought as foreign soldiers and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans to preserve slavery. Not merely racists. Not merely people who owned slaves. Not merely people we don't like. Not merely random statues of white guys.

Is maintaining the context under which "our" objection is made so difficult?
 
ecofarm said:
"We" are those opposed to Confederate monuments. And "we" would appreciate it if you managed to maintain context: people who left the US, formed a foreign government, fought as foreign soldiers and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans to preserve slavery. Not merely racists. Not merely people who owned slaves. Not merely people we don't like. Not merely random statues of white guys.

Is maintaining the context under which "our" objection is made so difficult?
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Not at all, Eco. Not at all. I completely understand the context. It is the method with which I have a problem. Cannot imagine why you have any problem at all with my view. It should be yours.
 
Crovax said:
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Ah, so you buy into the leftist narrative that Breitbart is evil incarnate. Why am I not surprised? Who did you support in the primaries, Jeb, or Kasich? :roll:
 
MaggieD said:
Not at all, Eco. Not at all. I completely understand the context. It is the method with which I have a problem. Cannot imagine why you have any problem at all with my view. It should be yours.
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If you understand the context, then what's this about:

I think the point is that slaves BUILT these wonders. So why not them? Where does it end? Should we rip up railroad ties because nine out of the ten who built the tracks were indentured servants? Rip up the Constitution because 49% of those attending the Constitutional Convention were slave owners?
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Why not? Because they're not Confederate monuments. Where does it end? With Confederate monuments.

Monuments to foreign soldiers killing Americans to preserve slavery are a disgrace.
 
ecofarm said:
If you understand the context, then what's this about:

Why not? Because they're not Confederate monuments. Where does it end? With Confederate monuments.

Monuments to foreign soldiers killing Americans to preserve slavery are a disgrace.
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You are arguing X. I am arguing Z. Go argue with someone who says these statues represent heroes and should not be removed. That is not, nor never has been, my position.

If you want to pontificate some more, go right ahead. But this is my last post to you on this matter.
 
mike2810 said:
I will sum it up this way. There are better things to spend tax dollars on than removing statues and monuments that some want removed.

Here is an idea. Those who want the monuments removed take up a collection and pay for it. If they feel that strongly, they should not object to paying for the removal to a museum or some other place.
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OK, so you're moving the goal post off the field into the stands.

It's instructive I think that so many objecting to the removal of the monuments refuse to engage in an honest discussion of THAT particular monument, what makes it so special that the presumption is it should remain as is forever.
 
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