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Militia leaders who descended on Charlottesville condemn 'rightwing lunatics'

Harry Guerrilla said:
Different methods, for different people.
Did the militia hurt or kill anyone?

They ended up getting stuff thrown at them by both groups (their words).
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They deserved it. A bunch of kids with guns. They had no training in security and no brains. Its like those rock stars asking Hell's Angels to provide security at their concerts.
 
PoS said:
The ACLU doesnt go around with guns and battlegear at rallies. The militia screwed up, and they should have never been there.
They were there and it turned violent anyway, so its obvious they were less than useless.
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Maybe I've just been in the reasonableness of Europe for too long, but doesn't it seem certifiably insane to let random assholes carry rifles in military gear at a protest and start policing their fellow citizens? Vigilante paramilitary groups. Oh fun.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Oh heavens no! Facebook is for people with the desire and social skills to pay attention to who Johnathan's dating this month, and what pictures Janet liked, and how passive agressively Carol despises Allen's mom. Me, I want to stay fairly informed on politics, while also posting awful jokes that people occasionally laugh at. Facebook is awful for almost everything about that.

I love this place, but I was on Facebook mostly as part of a joke that should have died slightly sooner than it did.
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You are highly successful gauging the quality of jokes, Sir. But I didn't realise that Jonathan was dating again.
 
PoS said:
They deserved it. A bunch of kids with guns. They had no training in security and no brains. Its like those rock stars asking Hell's Angels to provide security at their concerts.
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We're probably not going to agree.
I wish there were more reasonable groups like these.
These guys aren't 3%'s or anything like that.

They represent an idealist style of thinking, which is something I support.
A real life reading of Voltaire's "Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
 
Jesse Booth said:
Just kidding. It was a globalist conspiracy to silence my truth, or something like that.
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Then the nationalists will ride to to your aid on principal.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Maybe I've just been in the reasonableness of Europe for too long, but doesn't it seem certifiably insane to let random assholes carry rifles in military gear at a protest and start policing their fellow citizens? Vigilante paramilitary groups. Oh fun.
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I doubt there were any psychopaths in their numbers, they all go into police work.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I doubt there were any psychopaths in their numbers, they all go into police work.
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Yes, because only the most reasonable and cool-headed people in our society go to far right radical rallies trying to dress like Seal Team 6 and armed head to toe.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, because only the most reasonable and cool-headed people in our society go to far right radical rallies trying to dress like Seal Team 6 and armed head to toe.
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Judging by how it worked out, it seems they do. Makes sense, given that Americans with concealed carry permits are the most law-abiding demographic in the country. I suppose that carries over to open carry, as well.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Judging by how it worked out, it seems they do. Makes sense, given that Americans with concealed carry permits are the most law-abiding demographic in the country. I suppose that carries over to open carry, as well.
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Once again, walking around dressed as Seal Team Six open carrying a military rifle and trying to police your fellow citizens as a random dickhead off the street is not the same as concealed carrying a weapon. It takes a special kind of crazy to think that's a good idea.

They do this as a show of force and intimidation to support their political ideology, not to "protect people". If that's what they wanted they'd become military or cops.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I doubt there were any psychopaths in their numbers, they all go into police work.
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Are you saying that the militia present at that rally were mostly ex-cops or off duty? Citation, please.

Harry Guerrilla said:
We're probably not going to agree.
I wish there were more reasonable groups like these.
These guys aren't 3%'s or anything like that.

They represent an idealist style of thinking, which is something I support.
A real life reading of Voltaire's "Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
PoS said:
Are you saying that the militia present at that rally were mostly ex-cops or off duty? Citation, please.
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No, I'm saying that there probably weren't any psychopaths in the militia, then I cfacked a joke about how insane our actual police can often be.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Once again, walking around dressed as Seal Team Six open carrying a military rifle and trying to police your fellow citizens as a random dickhead off the street is not the same as concealed carrying a weapon. It takes a special kind of crazy to think that's a good idea.

They do this as a show of force and intimidation to support their political ideology, not to "protect people". If that's what they wanted they'd become military or cops.
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Dude, they provided medical care to injured people on the scene and kept protesters away from each other as best they could, and didn't fire a single shot the whole time.

I'd say they're handling themselves far better than many of our official policemen do.

And besides, the bad eggs would just have gone into the actual police force like the rest of their ilk; a militiaman has far fewer chances to abuse power, and exponentially more at risk than a police officer does.
 
PoS said:
They deserved it. A bunch of kids with guns. They had no training in security and no brains. Its like those rock stars asking Hell's Angels to provide security at their concerts.
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Ex-military, most of them. That doesn't prepare you for security detail?
 
Jesse Booth said:
Dude, they provided medical care to injured people on the scene and kept protesters away from each other as best they could, and didn't fire a single shot the whole time.
I'd say they're handling themselves far better than many of our official policemen do.
And besides, the bad eggs would just have gone into the actual police force like the rest of their ilk; a militiaman has far fewer chances to abuse power, and exponentially more at risk than a police officer does.
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Yeah, they needed rifles with many magazines and military gear and outfits in order to protect and provide medical care. This was always about intimidation, but maybe I'm wrong and they'll show up as good samaritans at the next BLM or antifa protest.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, they needed rifles with many magazines and military gear and outfits in order to protect and provide medical care. This was always about intimidation, but maybe I'm wrong and they'll show up as good samaritans at the next BLM or antifa protest.
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They said they would be more than willing to, but no invitation has been extended.

Did you even read the article?
 
Jesse Booth said:
They said they would be more than willing to, but no invitation has been extended.
Did you even read the article?
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Well good, there's nothing that makes black people feel safer than being surrounded by a bunch of random angry white men with rifles playing soldier.
 
Jesse Booth said:
They said they would be more than willing to, but no invitation has been extended.

Did you even read the article?
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Why spoil a firm opinion? ;)
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well good, there's nothing that makes black people feel safer than being surrounded by a bunch of random angry white men with rifles playing soldier.
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I suspect that's why they never asked for them, and why you would have rescinded your offer of accepting that they aren't racist if they actually did go to one.

You still haven't read the damn article either, have you?
 
Jesse Booth said:
I suspect that's why they never asked for them, and why you would have rescinded your offer of accepting that they aren't racist if they actually did go to one.
You still haven't read the damn article either, have you?
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Yes, I saw the article, and I saw the guys in military uniforms plastered with confederate flags. A completely impartial party for sure.
 
PoS said:
Again, citation needed.



You see a lot of soldiers providing security at rallies, Mr. Booth?
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I see the National Guard being called in to provide security when necessary, such as during the Charlottesville protest. They're a reserve branch of the Army, last I checked, and are expected to be capable of performing the duties of a soldier whenever called upon, so I expect their training is neither significantly different nor more versatile than the training for a full-time soldier.

As for that citation wasn't everyone interviewed in that article former militrary?
 
Jesse Booth said:
I see the National Guard being called in to provide security when necessary, such as during the Charlottesville protest. They're a reserve branch of the Army, last I checked, and are expected to be capable of performing the duties of a soldier whenever called upon, so I expect their training is neither significantly different nor more versatile than the training for a full-time soldier.

As for that citation wasn't everyone interviewed in that article former militrary?
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Yeah, we used to do that sort of thing with national guard. Then there was Kent State.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I see the National Guard being called in to provide security when necessary, such as during the Charlottesville protest. They're a reserve branch of the Army, last I checked, and are expected to be capable of performing the duties of a soldier whenever called upon, so I expect their training is neither significantly different nor more versatile than the training for a full-time soldier.

As for that citation wasn't everyone interviewed in that article former militrary?
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Vigilante groups of confederates are not the National Guard, as the National Guard is an actual part of the government and has the responsibility of policing social unrest. And no, not all militia are former military, not like that makes any difference when talking about pretend-soldiers intimidating people.
 
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