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The Civil War was about economics

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The Civil War was about economics.

The false narrative spewing from every radio, pulpit, MSM outlet and vile politician today is revisionist history. Everybody knows it except the prozac zombies who find it easier to blindly obey than to think for themselves.

In ante-bellum America slavery existed. Period. Everyone living in America profited from it. The war lords in Africa who procured the black slaves from weaker tribes to sell to Europeans profited too. No one wants to point a finger at Africa as the source of all the slaves as most at fault. The financiers and industrialists of the North profited more from slavery than the plantation owners.

Cotton was King in those times. The price of cotton depended on production costs and demand. The North made incredible profits from slave produced cotton. It was the fabled pot of gold. They made 1,000 of times more from slavery than the South.

Slaves were not only a labor force they were the primary asset of plantations along with land. Cotton growers used their assets, slaves, as collateral in the same way as industrialists used their equipment and property. This was how the system worked. Slaves were assets worth tens of millions of dollars.

When slavery was deemed unacceptable the Southern Plantation owners and slave traders were expected to forfeit their assets without any remuneration from the Northern states for that loss. If the North had said "Slavery is wrong and we want to share the burden of loss with the South so we will buy the slaves freedom with some of the profits we've made off of slavery over the past 200 hundred years. We also will pay you 100 times more for cotton so that the South can pay those same slaves a decent wage to make up for the wrong we have all done to them." Then there would have been no Civil War. The North shares 50% of the blame for slavery. Actually they profited immensely more than the South. They should bear 75% of the blame.

The North had a plan to get even richer off the end of slavery.

Once the slaves were freed plantation owners would no longer have the necessary capitol assets to survive. The Northern speculators were drooling over prospects of scooping up the plantations for less than a penny on the dollar of their worth at auctions due to foreclosure or unpaid taxes. It was a sinister plan for a hostile takeover. The South refused the hostile takeover. They seceded.

Does anyone remember that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at Fort Sumter, South Carolina? That is the port of Charleston. The biggest port of it's time and central to the Cotton trade.

The South made trade agreements with England and France to ship raw cotton to those countries directly thereby cutting the Northern Industrialists out of the picture completely. It was brilliant and would have worked if the Federal government had not sided with the Industrialists consortium and used their navy to blockade the port of Charleston stopping the Cotton shipments to Europe and dooming the South to a slow death by siege which is what happened. The hostile takeover was successful.

After Sherman marched to the sea burning, raping, pillaging and destroying everything in his path the coup de gras was the carpetbaggers.

All governments in the South were disbanded. Puppet regimes were set up in every state & county. High taxes were levied. Devastated land owners could not pay the taxes. All lands were sold to speculators (called carpetbaggers for the fancy luggage they brought with them=) at tax auctions. Not only were people robbed of their lives and property but they had to roam, whites and slaves alike. The Northerners didn't help the blacks. They set up Jim Crow laws with their puppet regimes. Northerners had never lived with blacks. Blacks were never prevalent in the north like they were in the South. The vast majority of Southerners were poor peasants who owned no slaves. In fact they had much in common with the slaves. They were victims of an economic system.

My family, all the way back to the first immigrants from England, Ireland and Germany, were never slave owners. They were never wealthy. We have always been 'peasants'. I've never ever been a racist. None of my family is. We have always treated blacks with respect and we've helped each other all my life. It wasn't until Obama divided the country that things have gotten this bad.

So go ahead and label every southerner a racist, KKK, Neo-Nazi like you are told too. Do it not because it's true but because you don't want to be labeled as one yourself. It's self-preservation isn't it?

Let history be 'rectified' by the 'Ministry of Truth'. Let them remove all traces of humanity from our history. Let them desecrate the memory of my families ancestors who never owned a slave but fought for our land and kin. Go ahead. Because Big Brother will come for you one day. Just ask Winston Smith.
 
*slow clap*


EDIT: Just thought it might be useful to mention - as an APUSH student who has to study the Civil War (and the Antebellum period for that matter) in relative depth, this post is factually accurate.
 
You are correct. Most wars have economic causes in some sense, and the Civil War was no exception.


But don't expect many to thank you for your explanation. Most people don't want to hear it, and would rather believe it was all about freeing the slaves from the very beginning with the North as absolute Good and the South as pure Evil for no reason.


I took a post-grad history course in college on it, taught by a brilliant and incredibly thorough Professor, who noted that his family didn't arrive in the US until the 20th century and he didn't grow up in the South and therefore had no dog in the fight. Yet his view was that there were many contributing factors, of which slavery was only one, and probably less significant than the economic and political issues.


But, nobody wants to hear that, so brace yourself for incoming heavy fire.
 
This thread is a testament to how little we as a people value truth now.

That's how you can be sure that we have BIG PAIN coming our way.
 
It's hard to get away from the fact that the political trigger that started the Civil war was about slavery. You had some hard core White supremacist Democrat Politicians that made their cases quite clear.

Now...what caused the "cannon" the trigger was connected to to be so large and explosive?? were many different reasons, including the OP... and it would be intellectually dishonest to not mention them in reference to causes of the civil war.

Also, there is the Political reasons for why the civil war happened.... there were also the reasons of the common man to fight in the civil war.... the majority of confederate soldiers were not fighting for slavery, but they were fighting for what they thought was protecting their home and family against a government they felt did not have their best interests at heart.... I don't think their story should be painted with a broad brush of scorn... And when the left does do this... I feel you lose a lot of southerners who are wiling to engage in mutual respect dialog ( and arguably for good reason)

I am not a southerner... but I understand them, I was raised in the south moving here when I was 2.... In my 25 years of living in the South... I've only met ONE racist family.... only one in 25 years... and they weren't really THAT racist(but racist nonetheless)... they were the kind of white versions of Malcolm X racists. And I had a long a civil debate with them(her granddad).... (it was an ex gfs extended family...her grandparents, mostly)
 
If someone could help me please....was the refusal to compensate for any of the loss of the slave assets because there was no way to do it or was it because this country refused to do it, refused to try to be reasonable and and fair, refused to try to alleviate suffering?

tyvm
 
I can sympathize with those who suffered under Sherman, the injustices of parts of reconstruction, and accept the fact that the North profited as well. But poor baby: Africa is to blame, the slaves were human farm machinery the North wanted to deprive the South of, etc. But reconstruction ended and the lynching of thousands began. You forgot to mention that in your history.

Yet isn't it amazing that SC said that it feared slavery would be abolished by Lincoln coming to power, that Jeff Davis said it was about slavery, that slavery was outlawed postwar, that Union songs were about dying to make men free, that Lincoln sounded the same theme in his address at Gettysburg. Your ancestors may have thought they were fighting for their land and kin, just like US soldiers fought in Vietnam to keep the Commies from invading California or in Iraq cause of WMD. Sorry, but your ancestors were had. Happens a lot when the young and poor go to war to defend the interests of the old and rich. You're right, it involved economics.
 
This thread is a testament to how little we as a people value truth now.

That's how you can be sure that we have BIG PAIN coming our way.

Yeah. Research is merciless. But p.c. will win! Yes We Can!
 
Yeah. Research is merciless. But p.c. will win! Yes We Can!

Too many people are ignorant of the immense down sides of being ignorant.

On purpose.

:screwy
 
I can sympathize with those who suffered under Sherman, the injustices of parts of reconstruction, and accept the fact that the North profited as well. But poor baby: Africa is to blame, the slaves were human farm machinery the North wanted to deprive the South of, etc. But reconstruction ended and the lynching of thousands began. You forgot to mention that in your history.

Yet isn't it amazing that SC said that it feared slavery would be abolished by Lincoln coming to power, that Jeff Davis said it was about slavery, that slavery was outlawed postwar, that Union songs were about dying to make men free, that Lincoln sounded the same theme in his address at Gettysburg. Your ancestors may have thought they were fighting for their land and kin, just like US soldiers fought in Vietnam to keep the Commies from invading California or in Iraq cause of WMD. Sorry, but your ancestors were had. Happens a lot when the young and poor go to war to defend the interests of the old and rich. You're right, it involved economics.

Very much like abortion today, it was legal to treat your blacks lethally. That's what happens, when a society defines chunks of humanity as killable. Killing happens.

PS: That doesn't mean the OP is wrong.
 
Too many people are ignorant of the immense down sides of being ignorant.

On purpose.

:screwy

Ignorance can, on the other hand, be highly beneficial with the others bearing the immense downside. This is often the case with p.c. and paradigm.
 
and in other breaking news designed to shock and amaze ... the sun came up in the east this morning ......
 
and in other breaking news designed to shock and amaze ... the sun came up in the east this
morning ......

Lol.

I was thinking the same thing when I read this. Slavery was an economic system used in agrarian south. And we know the Northern opposition had a lot to do with the economics of agrarianism over industrialism.

Of course you will have people who will say it was just economics and ignore that it was the economics of slave based agrarianism vs industrialism. And there were religious motives in the abolitionist cause. And then there will be those that get upset at calling it anything other than slavery. Ignoring that that is just a historical revision made by the victors to oversimplify the conflict.

Sigh. If only people could accept reality.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
 
Thank you for taking the time to write a very well constructed and accurate post. I was hoping that someone with a good sense of history would come along and point out that the roots of the Civil War lie in something other than the public misconception of slavery. Simply put, many people simply hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.

Again, well done!
 
Your post is just another ignorant attempt to create a pretend reality. Read the articles of secession issued by the various traitor states and you will find they gave slavery as the reason for seceding. your post is bullcrap.
 
The Civil War was about economics.
Everything is about economics.

In ante-bellum America slavery existed. Period. Everyone living in America profited from it. The war lords in Africa who procured the black slaves from weaker tribes to sell to Europeans profited too. No one wants to point a finger at Africa as the source of all the slaves as most at fault. The financiers and industrialists of the North profited more from slavery than the plantation owners.

Cotton was King in those times. The price of cotton depended on production costs and demand. The North made incredible profits from slave produced cotton. It was the fabled pot of gold. They made 1,000 of times more from slavery than the South.

Slaves were not only a labor force they were the primary asset of plantations along with land. Cotton growers used their assets, slaves, as collateral in the same way as industrialists used their equipment and property. This was how the system worked. Slaves were assets worth tens of millions of dollars.
Well, let's take a look at what the Father of Economics, Adam Smith, had to say in 1776 about the value of slavery:
The experience of all ages and nations, I believe, demonstrates that the work done by slaves, though it appears to cost only their maintenance, is in the end the dearest of any. A person who can acquire no property, can have no other interest but to eat as much, and to labour as little as possible. Whatever work he does beyond what is sufficient to purchase his own maintenance can be squeezed out of him by violence only, and not by any interest of his own. In ancient Italy, how much the cultivation of corn degenerated, how unprofitable it became to the master when it fell under the management of slaves, is remarked by both Pliny and Columella. In the time of Aristotle it had not been much better in ancient Greece. Speaking of the ideal republic described in the laws of Plato, to maintain five thousand idle men (the number of warriors supposed necessary for its defence) together with their women and servants, would require, he says, a territory of boundless extent and fertility, like the plains of Babylon.

The pride of man makes him love to domineer, and nothing mortifies him so much as to be obliged to condescend to persuade his inferiors. Wherever the law allows it, and the nature of the work can afford it, therefore, he will generally prefer the service of slaves to that of freemen. The planting of sugar and tobacco can afford the expense of slave-cultivation. The raising of corn, it seems, in the present times, cannot. In the English colonies, of which the principal produce is corn, the far greater part of the work is done by freemen. The late resolution of the Quakers in Pennsylvania to set at liberty all their negro slaves may satisfy us that their number cannot be very great. Had they made any considerable part of their property, such a resolution could never have been agreed to. In our sugar colonies, on the contrary, the whole work is done by slaves, and in our tobacco colonies a very great part of it. The profits of a sugar-plantation in any of our West Indian colonies are generally much greater than those of any other cultivation that is known either in Europe or America; and the profits of a tobacco plantation, though inferior to those of sugar, are superior to those of corn, as has already been observed. Both can afford the expense of slave-cultivation, but sugar can afford it still better than tobacco. The number of negroes accordingly is much greater, in proportion to that of whites, in our sugar than in our tobacco colonies.
The Wealth of Nations/Book III/Chapter 2

Cost of hiring a freeman: The negotiated salary in cash.
Cost of a slave: Upfront cost of purchase, Food, Shelter, close supervision, tight security (borne by the owner), strong militia to protect against a slave revolt (borne by everyone).
Slaves cost more and are less efficient.


When slavery was deemed unacceptable the Southern Plantation owners and slave traders were expected to forfeit their assets without any remuneration from the Northern states for that loss.
There was no legislation or proposals suggesting any such thing. And in those Northern States that did abolish slavery, only Massachusetts freed all slaves immediately...all other states only freed future children. New Jersey still had about a dozen slaves at the time of the Civil War. In Washington DC, when slavery was ended in 1862, slave owners were compensated for their slaves.
 
This thread is a testament to how little we as a people value truth now.

That's how you can be sure that we have BIG PAIN coming our way.

And a testament as to how skillfully revisionist history is played, and has been for years. With the internet and Wikipedia type sites, revising history is even more easy to accomplish.
 
And a testament as to how skillfully revisionist history is played, and has been for years. With the internet and Wikipedia type sites, revising history is even more easy to accomplish.
The ends justify the means, and anymore aping the Soviets is AOK, because the elite class sucks now.
 
The Civil War was about slavery as the root cause with race and culture and economics and tariffs and everything symptoms of the root cause.
 
The Civil War was about slavery as the root cause with race and culture and economics and tariffs and everything symptoms of the root cause.

Anyone who needs several hundred great documents on this point should contact paperview, the leading expert on the Civil War and its causes.
 
So go ahead and label every southerner a racist, KKK, Neo-Nazi like you are told too. Do it not because it's true but because you don't want to be labeled as one yourself. It's self-preservation isn't it?

That's not really happening, so why rely on such emotional nonsense?
Let history be 'rectified' by the 'Ministry of Truth'. Let them remove all traces of humanity from our history. Let them desecrate the memory of my families ancestors who never owned a slave but fought for our land and kin. Go ahead. Because Big Brother will come for you one day. Just ask Winston Smith.

Again, over-the-top hyperbole isn't the basis for a rational argument.

Those who fought for the South fought to maintain white supremacy and owning other human beings. That's simple, ojective reality; there's no getting around it. And the goverments of the South, after Reconstruction ended, promptly and essentially reintroduced slavery with Jim Crow and vagrancy law rackets.

The Eternal Butthurt of the South is truly a sight to behold, especialy with the idiotic trope that Obama somehow, magically 'divided the country'.
 
And a testament as to how skillfully revisionist history is played, and has been for years. With the internet and Wikipedia type sites, revising history is even more easy to accomplish.

It seems you think revising history is wrong. Why? New insights, new discoveries, different perspectives all add to accuracy. Just because a certain view of history has long been accepted doesn't mean it's correct.
 
What is correct that when you read the articles of secession issued by the various traiterous states they all state slavery was the issue, it's really that simple.
 
What is correct that when you read the articles of secession issued by the various traiterous states they all state slavery was the issue, it's really that simple.

Yup. They can never get out from under that simpe fact. From their own mouths.

The Civil War was indeed bout economics: economics completely based on chattel slavery.
 
This thread and others like it are why the US is screwed up

There is actual feeling of injustice for the slave owners, in this thread, talk they should have been compensated for their loss of slaves ( ie assets). Not once did anyone talk about those assets (ie the slaves) no mention that perhaps the slaves should have been compensated for the losses they incurred.
 
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