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Question about Confederate Statues

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I have been ambivalent on the confederate statue issue. I really think that they can serve as part of our history .

But I have heard it said that many of the statues in question placed up as a backlash to the Civil Rights movement or relating to Jim Crow laws.

Can anyone find any specific information regarding when these statues were conceived and placed?

I mean if I am to be ok with them being up as part of history.....people should know that history as well.(IMHO)

That being said, it is up to the communities what they want to do with the statues. I do not want people from Mississippi deciding what monuments we can have in California. Does that make sense?
 
year2late said:
I have been ambivalent on the confederate statue issue. I really think that they can serve as part of our history .

But I have heard it said that many of the statues in question placed up as a backlash to the Civil Rights movement or relating to Jim Crow laws.

Can anyone find any specific information regarding when these statues were conceived and placed?

I mean if I am to be ok with them being up as part of history.....people should know that history as well.(IMHO)

That being said, it is up to the communities what they want to do with the statues. I do not want people from Mississippi deciding what monuments we can have in California. Does that make sense?
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The reality is that the US doesn't have a lot other than wars to build statues and monuments to honor. To me, they are what they are. Put up a statue of anybody you want. I don't care.
 
backpacker said:
The reality is that the US doesn't have a lot other than wars to build statues and monuments to honor. To me, they are what they are. Put up a statue of anybody you want. I don't care.
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If they wew put up to disrespect civil rights laws...it would be nice to put it in historical perspective rather than tear it down.
 
year2late said:
If they wew put up to disrespect civil rights laws...it would be nice to put it in historical perspective rather than tear it down.
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They were put up to intimidate blacks, leaving them where they are propagates that use. Move them to a museum of shame if you like., they don't belong on public property.
 
backpacker said:
The reality is that the US doesn't have a lot other than wars to build statues and monuments to honor. To me, they are what they are. Put up a statue of anybody you want. I don't care.
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You certainly don't know much about American history. There been any number of people that have been Central to America's cultural growth, social growth and creativity.
 
year2late said:
I have been ambivalent on the confederate statue issue. I really think that they can serve as part of our history .

But I have heard it said that many of the statues in question placed up as a backlash to the Civil Rights movement or relating to Jim Crow laws.

Can anyone find any specific information regarding when these statues were conceived and placed?

I mean if I am to be ok with them being up as part of history.....people should know that history as well.(IMHO)

That being said, it is up to the communities what they want to do with the statues. I do not want people from Mississippi deciding what monuments we can have in California. Does that make sense?
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If people want to protest these statues, they can do that every day if they so choose. But to tear them down? If we don't recognize that as the hooliganism it is, we're just plain wrong.

If I put a statue of Christ on my front lawn, you do not have the right to destroy it because you're Jewish. Seems crystal to me.
 
year2late said:
I have been ambivalent on the confederate statue issue. I really think that they can serve as part of our history .

But I have heard it said that many of the statues in question placed up as a backlash to the Civil Rights movement or relating to Jim Crow laws.

Can anyone find any specific information regarding when these statues were conceived and placed?

I mean if I am to be ok with them being up as part of history.....people should know that history as well.(IMHO)

That being said, it is up to the communities what they want to do with the statues. I do not want people from Mississippi deciding what monuments we can have in California. Does that make sense?
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I don't know the history, if any, about any national or regional opposition to these statues that appear to be all over the southern states, but I wonder if, during the civil rights movement and during other race related incidents in US history, these statues were such a focal point of contention. I don't recall any great national uproar similar to that of the PC crowd now. Seems it's just part of an agenda of the PC left that started recently with removing any symbols of Christianity in the public square and graduated to the Confederate flag and now these monuments.

It is funny, to me, that in Mississippi where the majority of the residents are black, a recent poll showed that over 80% of the population supports retaining the Confederate flag as part of their state flag and government symbols.
 
MaggieD said:
If people want to protest these statues, they can do that every day if they so choose. But to tear them down? If we don't recognize that as the hooliganism it is, we're just plain wrong.

If I put a statue of Christ on my front lawn, you do not have the right to destroy it because you're Jewish. Seems crystal to me.
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You think these statues are on peoples front lawns? These are statues of armed white supremacists on horseback looming over the public square, paid for by public taxes. Get it now?
 
MaggieD said:
If people want to protest these statues, they can do that every day if they so choose. But to tear them down? If we don't recognize that as the hooliganism it is, we're just plain wrong.

If I put a statue of Christ on my front lawn, you do not have the right to destroy it because you're Jewish. Seems crystal to me.
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You would do better to recognize the insult at the Confederate monuments represent
 
year2late said:
I have been ambivalent on the confederate statue issue. I really think that they can serve as part of our history .

But I have heard it said that many of the statues in question placed up as a backlash to the Civil Rights movement or relating to Jim Crow laws.

Can anyone find any specific information regarding when these statues were conceived and placed?

I mean if I am to be ok with them being up as part of history.....people should know that history as well.(IMHO)

That being said, it is up to the communities what they want to do with the statues. I do not want people from Mississippi deciding what monuments we can have in California. Does that make sense?
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I also don't want folks from New York or California deciding what monuments we have here in Georgia. Yes, that makes sense. I said all along it is up to the communities involved. Not anyone from outside of that particular community. If a community wants to keep them, fine. If they want to take them down, fine also. I think way too many people stick their nose in other peoples business when they should just leave them alone. For some reason people like to tell other what they should and shouldn't do. Better to clean up one's own backyard first. For most of us, that is a never ending task.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't know the history, if any, about any national or regional opposition to these statues that appear to be all over the southern states, but I wonder if, during the civil rights movement and during other race related incidents in US history, these statues were such a focal point of contention. I don't recall any great national uproar similar to that of the PC crowd now. Seems it's just part of an agenda of the PC left that started recently with removing any symbols of Christianity in the public square and graduated to the Confederate flag and now these monuments.

It is funny, to me, that in Mississippi where the majority of the residents are black, a recent poll showed that over 80% of the population supports retaining the Confederate flag as part of their state flag and government symbols.
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According to Wikipedia the majority of people in Mississippi are white 58% of the population
 
Perotista said:
I also don't want folks from New York or California deciding what monuments we have here in Georgia. Yes, that makes sense. I said all along it is up to the communities involved. Not anyone from outside of that particular community. If a community wants to keep them, fine. If they want to take them down, fine also. I think way too many people stick their nose in other peoples business when they should just leave them alone. For some reason people like to tell other what they should and shouldn't do. Better to clean up one's own backyard first. For most of us, that is a never ending task.
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I heard on the radio a little bit ago that Charlottesville's mayor has called for the emergency removal of Lee's statue. What's the emergency?
 
MaggieD said:
If people want to protest these statues, they can do that every day if they so choose. But to tear them down? If we don't recognize that as the hooliganism it is, we're just plain wrong.

If I put a statue of Christ on my front lawn, you do not have the right to destroy it because you're Jewish. Seems crystal to me.
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There is a huge difference between what you can do on your own, private property and what can be placed in the public domain. As long as you're in compliance with your HOA laws, put anything you want on your front lawn. The people have a say in what is displayed on public property.
 
iguanaman said:
You think these statues are on peoples front lawns? These are statues of armed white supremacists on horseback looming over the public square, paid for by public taxes. Get it now?
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Went right over you're head, I see.

You do not get to destroy public or private property. If you do, you are a vandal.

Get it now???
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
According to Wikipedia the majority of people in Mississippi are white 58% of the population
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You're correct - the census info has it listed as 37% black. Perhaps I misunderstood the reference to the poll and it was 80% of the black population.
 
katzgar said:
You would do better to recognize the insult at the Confederate monuments represent
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And YOU would do better if you could look at things in a fair and balanced way. These have been in place for decades. Suddenly they are so insulting as to have to be destroyed? Nonsense.
 
nota bene said:
I heard on the radio a little bit ago that Charlottesville's mayor has called for the emergency removal of Lee's statue. What's the emergency?
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I expect the mayor is concerned that neo nazis or members of the KKK would volunteer to guard the statues, and do so regardless of what the city wanted. Probably not an image the city government wants representing the city. Full dress Neo Nazi's standing below a statue of General Lee for days on end
 
lurchadams said:
There is a huge difference between what you can do on your own, private property and what can be placed in the public domain. As long as you're in compliance with your HOA laws, put anything you want on your front lawn. The people have a say in what is displayed on public property.
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People cannot take it upon themselves to destroy public property. Or private property. It is a crime. Period.

To use your own analogy re an HOA, if you put up that noncompliant statue on your front lawn, the HOA can't set it on fire. That would be a crime.

Even though everybody's pissed as hell, there is still that nasty phrase "due process" to consider.

Honestly? I don't know why ANYONE would think it's okay.
 
nota bene said:
I heard on the radio a little bit ago that Charlottesville's mayor has called for the emergency removal of Lee's statue. What's the emergency?
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If that was Charlottesville decision and only Charlottesville, I have no problem with it. I do think a lot of people are going overboard with this just because they can. Can and should are two different things. The strange thing if you remember, wasn't racism solved when the Confederate Flag was lowered from the South Carolina Capital grounds? That was what we was told by many, many folks right on this site.

The thing is attacking symbols whatever they maybe isn't about to change what is in a man's heart. If anything, it will make that heart colder and harder. Given time, most of those old statues will come down with little or no publicity. Each generation is different and each generation has different priorities and things that are important to them.
 
MaggieD said:
People cannot take it upon themselves to destroy public property. Or private property. It is a crime. Period.

To use your own analogy re an HOA, if you put up that noncompliant statue on your front lawn, the HOA can't set it on fire. That would be a crime.

Even though everybody's pissed as hell, there is still that nasty phrase "due process" to consider.

Honestly? I don't know why ANYONE would think it's okay.
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I believe it was the Charlottesville City Council that voted to remove it. That was the due process. If one thinks there should be monuments to confederate generals in Charlottesville, they should vote in a new city council and put it back.
 
MaggieD said:
And YOU would do better if you could look at things in a fair and balanced way. These have been in place for decades. Suddenly they are so insulting as to have to be destroyed? Nonsense.
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You sound like you're defending Jim Crow laws
 
MaggieD said:
Went right over you're head, I see.

You do not get to destroy public or private property. If you do, you are a vandal.

Get it now???
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Local Govts. are removing the monuments to racism as is their right, so no i don't get it.
 
Perotista said:
If that was Charlottesville decision and only Charlottesville, I have no problem with it. I do think a lot of people are going overboard with this just because they can. Can and should are two different things. The strange thing if you remember, wasn't racism solved when the Confederate Flag was lowered from the South Carolina Capital grounds? That was what we was told by many, many folks right on this site.

The thing is attacking symbols whatever they maybe isn't about to change what is in a man's heart. If anything, it will make that heart colder and harder. Given time, most of those old statues will come down with little or no publicity. Each generation is different and each generation has different priorities and things that are important to them.
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The collective heart of the Alt Right will never be warmed.
 
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