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Donald Trump has no grasp of what it means to be president

Just corrected an error.

I keep wondering if the radical left understands the responsibilities of leadership and the true role of the President as it isn't evidenced in this forum. The left spent 8 years praising Obama while ignoring the Obama results none of which are anywhere close to deserving the adoration he received from the left but results don't matter to the PC crowd because perception is more important than policies.
 
That is your opinion but as you have shown you have no clue as to what is going on in this country outside of this forum. The hatred being spewed by the left and the strong desire to be liked plus a totally bogus understanding as to the role of the Federal Govt. and the President drives what we are seeing today.
You can rant and spew your ignorant partisan crap all you want. You CAN NOT show a single cause and effect of what Trump has done.
 
I keep wondering if the radical left understands the responsibilities of leadership and the true role of the President as it isn't evidenced in this forum.
Probably not just like you have no clue. Such is the reality of ignorance and extreme partisanship.
 
the rights of the individual always matter but not more than common law, you don't like the law change it, show me marriage in the Constitution?

As long as rich people get to keep more of what they earn that creates jealousy on the part of people like you, what causes this jealousy? You seem to know what everyone else needs, where did you develop this gift?

Marriage is a very, very poor example. When specific words aren't found in the Constitution, then, like religious fundamentalists love to do is say, "if it's not in print then it doesn't exist".

Why don't you try researching what the Supreme Court lends to the topic of marriage. The legitimacy of any given common law can be up for scrutiny by the S.C. if it's deemed to be in violation of the Constitution (and that includes an Appellate Court) - and might not go any farther).

Have you ever checked out what the actual constitutional perspective is by the S.C. about marriage in general?

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Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

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Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.

Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”
 
You can rant and spew your ignorant partisan crap all you want. You CAN NOT show a single cause and effect of what Trump has done.

Nor can you regarding Obama but I can show you the actual results which you want to ignore
 
Marriage is a very, very poor example. When specific words aren't found in the Constitution, then, like religious fundamentalists love to do is say, "if it's not in print then it doesn't exist".

Why don't you try researching what the Supreme Court lends to the topic of marriage. The legitimacy of any given common law can be up for scrutiny by the S.C. if it's deemed to be in violation of the Constitution (and that includes an Appellate Court) - and might not go any farther).

Have you ever checked out what the actual constitutional perspective is by the S.C. about marriage in general?

-----

Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

......

Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.

Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”


Obviously a hot topic for you but not for me, without a strong national security and economy those social issues don't really matter. Couldn't care less what you think about Trump or this social issue, i care about results
 
Obviously a hot topic for you but not for me, without a strong national security and economy those social issues don't really matter. Couldn't care less what you think about Trump or this social issue, i care about results


Social issues and cultural fiber are the core that is strong economy insecurity is built on. How this escapes you I have no idea. Why do you think so many CEOs are running away from Trump because they know that their future business depends on the well being and culture and Society of the nation.
 
Obviously a hot topic for you but not for me, without a strong national security and economy those social issues don't really matter. Couldn't care less what you think about Trump or this social issue, i care about results

Uh huh...so you make example of a Constitutional issue depicting it as a non-right, and now...????????????????
 
Uh huh...so you make example of a Constitutional issue depicting it as a non-right, and now...????????????????

As stated, Marriage is common law and isn't in the Constitution. Obviously a big issue to the PC crowd but certainly not for me and not for the majority in this country. What you do in your bedroom doesn't affect anyone except yourself but when you get the courts to overturn common law and the will of the people you create chaos and damage basic morality. Again, show me marriage in the Constitution? Equal rights has nothing to do with common law. I cannot marry the same sex in TX nor do I want to.
 
https://www.economist.com/news/lead...at-it-takes-donald-trump-has-no-grasp-what-it

"DEFENDERS of President Donald Trump offer two arguments in his favour—that he is a businessman who will curb the excesses of the state; and that he will help America stand tall again by demolishing the politically correct taboos of left-leaning, establishment elites. From the start, these arguments looked like wishful thinking. After Mr Trump’s press conference in New York on August 15th they lie in ruins."

The Economist is consistently ranked the #1 most trusted news source in the world.
These are the most and least trusted news outlets in America - Business Insider

Donald Trump is at best an incompetent buffoon, and at worse he is every bit as evil as liberals say he is. If you're still defending him or his presidency there's something seriously wrong with you.

Coming from a lefty, this means nothing.
 
Troop levels is your determination when the war ended? The status of forces agreement was signed in November 2008 and that ended the war. Are those troops still being paid? Keep buying what the left tells you and wonder why you have zero credibility

Yes, every soldier who flew back-and-forth, with leave, added to our deficit. Every weapon that was utilized, lost, or decomissioned was added to our deficit. All the food and other supplies that was shipped overseas, was added to our deficit. And when these soldiers returned to the States, many of them returned to their civilian life, and are no longer on government payroll, adding to our deficit. It was all a cost, associated with $6 Trillion Iraqi Oil War.

Your naivety is only exceeded by your ridiculous assertions.
 
Yes, every soldier who flew back-and-forth, with leave, added to our deficit. Every weapon that was utilized, lost, or decomissioned was added to our deficit. All the food and other supplies that was shipped overseas, was added to our deficit. And when these soldiers returned to the States, many of them returned to their civilian life, and are no longer on government payroll, adding to our deficit. It was all a cost, associated with $6 Trillion Iraqi Oil War.

Your naivety is only exceeded by your ridiculous assertions.

We have a military and defense budget, the war in Iraq ended in 2008 and Obama lost the peace, the debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion and when he left 19.9. It is 19.8 trillion today. Your ignorance of facts is staggering
 
We have a military and defense budget, the war in Iraq ended in 2008 and Obama lost the peace, the debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion and when he left 19.9. It is 19.8 trillion today. Your ignorance of facts is staggering

Did Bush pull all the troops in 2008? NO. Well I'll be darned. Afghanistan - NO. Hot damn. Another Conservative travesty.
 
Did Bush pull all the troops in 2008? NO. Well I'll be darned. Afghanistan - NO. Hot damn. Another Conservative travesty.

No, the troops were pulled out in 2012 but what does that have to do with the reality that the status of forces agreement ended the war? So you believe that the debt went from 10.6 trillion to 19.9 trillion under Obama because of the war? How do you explain the debt going only from 5.7 trillion to 10.6 trillion under Bush WITH actual combat? Keep buying the radical left media spin ignoring reality
 
No, the troops were pulled out in 2012 but what does that have to do with the reality that the status of forces agreement ended the war? So you believe that the debt went from 10.6 trillion to 19.9 trillion under Obama because of the war? How do you explain the debt going only from 5.7 trillion to 10.6 trillion under Bush WITH actual combat? Keep buying the radical left media spin ignoring reality

Partly, Yes. There were some other entities that Obama inherited from the failed Bush presidency. A collapsed economy. Very high unemployment. A bankrupt American auto industry. A housing and banking crisis. A stock market at modern-day record lows, with individual 401Ks dropping through the floor. Etc, etc. To say it simply - things were a mess! A necessary stimulus package was put together to revive the economy. It worked, but debt increased. Bush's legacy - increased debt and huge mess handed off to Obama.
 
Partly, Yes. There were some other entities that Obama inherited from the failed Bush presidency. A collapsed economy. Very high unemployment. A bankrupt American auto industry. A housing and banking crisis. A stock market at modern-day record lows, with individual 401Ks dropping through the floor. Etc, etc. To say it simply - things were a mess! A necessary stimulus package was put together to revive the economy. It worked, but debt increased. Bush's legacy - increased debt and huge mess handed off to Obama.

LOL, the left loves having people like you who buys the story and ignores the facts, the economy didn't collapse, how did the recession affect you and your family? With a misery index of 12 vs. over 20 with Reagan this wasn't an economy that affected a lot of Americans but was sold as the worst since the Great Depression. that was a lie but people like you bought it

TARP got us out of the recession and doesn't it bother you that Obama never had a GDP growth of 3% for any fiscal year during his term and coming of the inherited negative that is a disaster. Things weren't a mess but you were sold a bill of goods. get the facts and stop letting the left make a fool out of you.

Debt of 10.6 trillion was handed off to Obama and that included the costs of the wars from 2003 to 2008 including the cost of 9/11. please explain to me how it grew to 19.9 under Obama with the major fighting stopped? Debt is cumulative, deficits are yearly.
 
LOL, the left loves having people like you who buys the story and ignores the facts, the economy didn't collapse, how did the recession affect you and your family? With a misery index of 12 vs. over 20 with Reagan this wasn't an economy that affected a lot of Americans but was sold as the worst since the Great Depression. that was a lie but people like you bought it

TARP got us out of the recession and doesn't it bother you that Obama never had a GDP growth of 3% for any fiscal year during his term and coming of the inherited negative that is a disaster. Things weren't a mess but you were sold a bill of goods. get the facts and stop letting the left make a fool out of you.

Debt of 10.6 trillion was handed off to Obama and that included the costs of the wars from 2003 to 2008 including the cost of 9/11. please explain to me how it grew to 19.9 under Obama with the major fighting stopped? Debt is cumulative, deficits are yearly.

Your blinders are only surpassed by your inperception of reality.
 
Your blinders are only surpassed by your inperception of reality.

Your reality is swayed by the radical leftwing that ignores history and actual results. You responded to nothing I posted as those are the facts you want to ignore. It really is sad to see people like you duped by an ideology and totally incapable of doing any research. Tell me exactly where I am wrong and do so using actual data and official websites not media reports? BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and Treasury.org
 
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