Multiculturalism isn't free or easy.

No one ever said that multiculturalism would be easy. There are definitely challenges and obstacles in the way, but the end result is so rewarding that we need to stay strong and ignore the people complaining about he tiny amounts of insignificant collateral damage involved. We must be multicultural. We will be multicultural. We will not allow a bunch of hateful bigots to get in the way. Do not play the hateful game of the far and keep your eye on the prize.

AtlantaAdonis said:

No one ever said that multiculturalism would be easy. There are definitely challenges and obstacles in the way, but the end result is so rewarding that we need to stay strong and ignore the people complaining about he tiny amounts of insignificant collateral damage involved. We must be multicultural. We will be multicultural. We will not allow a bunch of hateful bigots to get in the way. Do not play the hateful game of the far and keep your eye on the prize.

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I'm sure I will regret responding to this, but how are we not already a multicultural nation?

ajn678 said:

I'm sure I will regret responding to this, but how are we not already a multicultural nation?

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What I mean is a multicultural society free of bigotry and intolerance.

AtlantaAdonis said:

What I mean is a multicultural society free of bigotry and intolerance.

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So you are talking fantasy?

ajn678 said:

So you are talking fantasy?

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No. What are you, anyways, one of those alt right people that believes diversity "brings about conflict and strife"?

AtlantaAdonis said:

No. What are you, anyways, one of those alt right people that believes diversity "brings about conflict and strife"?

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No just a rational human being that realizes there will always be **** people in this world. eace

AtlantaAdonis said:

No. What are you, anyways, one of those alt right people that believes diversity "brings about conflict and strife"?

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Actually, diversity does bring about "conflict and strife" particularly in a more democratic environment where politicians can play identity politics and stoke racial and cultural/religious tensions among the population. All politicians do this.

On top of that, cultures are very different and there is a significant amount of proof and evidence that there are even differences in IQ between ethnic groups... not to the fact that some cultures are just radically different. Although I've seen as high as a .8 correlation for heritability in IQ it doesn't fundamentally matter if its genetics or socioeconomics, there are radical differences and that is objectively true.

Assimilation on a mass scale will NEVER work. The way it used to work in America was that we would let in a group of immigrants that were mostly European an culturally similar. We then would restrict immigration as we let the new immigrants have time to assimilate into American culture and our adopt our values both politically and socially. Europe is going to have a MUCH harder time (maybe impossible, to be quite honest) assimilating people because their culture is much more deep rooted and defined in their countries. An attempt to uproot it is going to face harsh resistance.

Finally, you don't really offer any objective arguments for why multiculturalism is a benefit... appeals to emotions don't count. Until progressives can give a set of objective and defined reasons as to why it works, I'll be on the fence about multiculturalism. If you refuse to bring any argument to the table besides "the end result is so rewarding" you're going to be faced with a lot of resistance. The way I've seen is that we've always had plenty of multiculturalism in America. The difference is it's been a diversity of European culture (for the most part) as opposed to from all over the world. Since the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, things have been radically different in terms of the kinds of immigrants America has brought it and at what rate those immigrants are brought in. People who have issues with unfettered immigration, especially from broken third world countries, very much do have a point to make and it needs to be heard and debated not shouted down as being "racist" or "bigoted".

AtlantaAdonis said:

No one ever said that multiculturalism would be easy. There are definitely challenges and obstacles in the way, but the end result is so rewarding that we need to stay strong and ignore the people complaining about he tiny amounts of insignificant collateral damage involved. We must be multicultural. We will be multicultural. We will not allow a bunch of hateful bigots to get in the way. Do not play the hateful game of the far and keep your eye on the prize.

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It's interesting you use that terminology: Eye on the Prize.

Multiculturalism for clarity in a discussion would need to be defined.

Brazil is not really multicultural even though it has the most Italians out side of Italy, the most Arab Lebanese outside of Lebanon, the most Japanese outside of Japan. Because Brazil emphasizes cultural assimilation into the basic mores of Brazilian life.

In other words... some accepted basic values of a country to bind all members cohesively. And one is Brazilian first.

As a general rule. Brazil has its subgroups too that are kind of like the Cajuns of Louisiana.





The current United States per liberals demands unity by crushing unity. They always have a new revolution to attack cohesion and create friction and acrimony. There can never be a day "we can all get along" because the political leaders and rich corporate will never allow that. They demand unity for war against some made up enemy though.


But back to Brazil, or Colombia, or Venezuela... they still show clear signs of a long history of a racial caste system. Flooding Chicago with 2 million foreigners from Iraq, Ukraine, Cambodia, or wherever will not magically make the unemployed Black-Americans lives in Chicago miraculously better.

If by "multicultural" one means the racial look of a Brazil, Colombia, and Venezuela then yeah... Brazil is multicultural.

AtlantaAdonis said:

No one ever said that multiculturalism would be easy. There are definitely challenges and obstacles in the way, but the end result is so rewarding that we need to stay strong and ignore the people complaining about he tiny amounts of insignificant collateral damage involved. We must be multicultural. We will be multicultural. We will not allow a bunch of hateful bigots to get in the way. Do not play the hateful game of the far and keep your eye on the prize.

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I really enjoyed the whole multicultural thing teaching 33 straight years from 1976 to 2009. I grew up with it on Air Force Bases until 8th grade. All I new was multi culture.

I looked forward to it in Chem/Physics because you NEED Math to survive in both of them. I learned young that Hispanic/Latino students were at least as good as the average American in MATH. I would get entrance tests in Spanish in my two long-run schools to find their Math level.

We had only 2 female teenagers in my high school physics class in the 70/71 school year out of about 20 or so. Now they go even up on enrollment and head-to head with our best high school males. Even better in Chemistry.

I use HS females, then ERA, as an analogy for the great social changes of my era, from my 67/68 HS freshman year to about the 200th anniversary of the USA when I graduated from undergrad in 1976.

Changes in culture, such as interracial marriage which was big then; abortion and other social divisions; minority migrations (several), with side-effects and toxic interactions; (btw--just like pharmaceutical pills) ;

AtlantaAdonis said:

No one ever said that multiculturalism would be easy. There are definitely challenges and obstacles in the way, but the end result is so rewarding that we need to stay strong and ignore the people complaining about he tiny amounts of insignificant collateral damage involved. We must be multicultural. We will be multicultural. We will not allow a bunch of hateful bigots to get in the way. Do not play the hateful game of the far and keep your eye on the prize.

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I'm guessing the 'prize' to be a situation like South Africa, where whites are 8.4% of the population. Am I right?

I hear S.A. is a real Utopian Wonderland, where peace and tranquillity abounds.