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Nazis are Getting Destroyed in their Private Lives

vegas giants said:
Only political speech must be protected? You are inconsistent
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No I'm pretty consistent, if you don't have a legitimate business reason to fire someone for their speech then you shouldn't fire them. Disagreeing with them politically is not a legitimate business reason.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm glad that this is happening, the free market at work. Sure you have the right to spew hate, but maybe you shouldn't. WTF happened to your masks?



https://www.gq.com/story/nazis-free-speech-problem
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I am really uncomfortable with this, both due to prospect of mistaken identity, and it smacks of coercion: if you don't do what we like, we will publicly shame you. Now, it is legal, I have zero sympathy for the nazis, but it still does not sit well with me. Just because you can do something does not mean you should, and just because the other guys are total douches does not justify trying to harm them personally.
 
Crovax said:
No I'm pretty consistent, if you don't have a legitimate business reason to fire someone for their speech then you shouldn't fire them. Disagreeing with them politically is not a legitimate business reason.
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They bring bad PR to my firm. Costs me sales. Is that good enough
 
Chillfolks said:
NPR ran a segment today about a Umiversity of Arkansass ( or Alabama can't remember the exact school) professor that had death threats and tons of social media threats directed at him and his family. All because a douche at the rally kind of looked like him and wore a t-shirt of the school he taught at. He has had rough week trying to clear his name after falsely being tagged as the protestor on social media


I'm all for exposing a Nazi or Antifa thug for who they are, but its extremely important to identify the right person.
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Nobody cares about (except, I suppose, the victims. It's all about carrying out your own brand of vigilante justice while snugly nestled behind your keyboard. The people that do this kind of thing justify it a dozen ways from Sunday but, inevitably, an innocent person gets hurt in the process.

In some ways, I suppose, it's kind of like driving a car down a crowded street in Charlottesville. The idea is "They're all guilty so if one gets killed that's OK".
 
vegas giants said:
I take views it public I am ASKING to be judged on them. I take my views to the ballot box.
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I agree. That's the whole point of free speech. To trade ideas, to debate them and for the good ones to survive and maybe change society while the bad ones get discarded. That's the whole point of the marketplace of ideas. But the whole scheme collapses if people are afraid to take their views public.

I'm not saying the company wasn't completely within it's rights to fire the guy. What am I am saying is that taken to a large scale that legal action is bad for society.
 
phattonez said:
So as I said, de facto there is no free speech in this country.
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Well, there is. As long as you have a tiny bit of courage, you have free speech.
 
Helix said:
good to know. i'm not big on it, either. in my state they can fire me for any reason or for no reason at all. so, next question : do you think that the first amendment means that an employer shouldn't be able to fire an employee for publicly expressing a view that might significantly affect the business in a negative way?
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No, the first amendment only applies to the government
 
Gaius46 said:
I agree. That's the whole point of free speech. To trade ideas, to debate them and for the good ones to survive and maybe change society while the bad ones get discarded. That's the whole point of the marketplace of ideas. But the whole scheme collapses if people are afraid to take their views public.

I'm not saying the company wasn't completely within it's rights to fire the guy. What am I am saying is that taken to a large scale that legal action is bad for society.
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I see your point. But if you work for me and want to do this stuff you better check with me first. My company comes first
 
vegas giants said:
Its not. I am not in public.
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He buddy as a wise man once said, "It ain't private if I know about it. Its public"

So yes this board is public by your standards. You are just exposed now as the nazis were at the rally. Except you are hiding behind an anonymous user name while demanded others be exposed.
 
Crovax said:
He buddy as a wise man once said, "It ain't private if I know about it. Its public"

So yes this board is public by your standards. You are just exposed now as the nazis were at the rally. Except you are hiding behind an anonymous user name while demanded others be exposed.
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That's right I am smart. Maybe you are my employee. I can't tell so you must be smart.

Don't be stupid. I fire stupid people
 
Crovax said:
No, the first amendment only applies to the government
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i don't see what we're arguing about in that case. one can express nazi views without being thrown in jail absent other criminal behavior, though there will almost certainly be private personal consequences.
 
vegas giants said:
That's right I am smart. Maybe you are my employee. I can't tell so you must be smart.

Don't be stupid. I fire stupid people
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But thats just the point. Im not being smart if someone wanted to dox me from this site they probably could and unless you use a VPN and signed up with a one time e-mail address you probably could be as well. A good many of the users on this site could be doxxed if someone was so inclined but they arent and thats the point im trying to make. You cant hide if someone wants to find you they probably can and as long as you will be fired for any political speech that your boss doesnt like then its like we dont really have free speech.
 
Helix said:
i don't see what we're arguing about in that case. one can express nazi views without being thrown in jail absent other criminal behavior, though there will almost certainly be private personal consequences.
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We are arguing about the ideals of free speech beyond whats is guaranteed by the first amendment
 
No, the Founders did not have anonymity. Madison doxed 'em. Good on him.

And criminals don't get anonymity.

And neither do Russian fascist sympathizers.
 
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Crovax said:
But thats just the point. Im not being smart if someone wanted to dox me from this site they probably could and unless you use a VPN and signed up with a one time e-mail address you probably could be as well. A good many of the users on this site could be doxxed if someone was so inclined but they arent and thats the point im trying to make. You cant hide if someone wants to find you they probably can and as long as you will be fired for any political speech that your boss doesnt like then its like we dont really have free speech.
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No one ever said you had complete free speech. You don't. Look If you are a great engineer for a company and I go to your house and see all this Nazi stuff that is your business. But if you go in public with that stuff and get caught then I am firing you for being stupid.
 
OlNate said:
Because I'm pretty vocal about what I think about them...I know, that's probably surprising...hehe
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Maybe thats just your cover to keep them from discovering you :mrgreen:
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm glad that this is happening, the free market at work. Sure you have the right to spew hate, but maybe you shouldn't. WTF happened to your masks?



https://www.gq.com/story/nazis-free-speech-problem
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They've literally doxed the wrong people, just like I said they would.
I think that (anti racist) twitter guy is getting sued now.
Not only that, but they doxed him, his family and his wife's family, as retaliation.

There is something wrong with you people.
Never seeing the potential consequences to your actions.
 
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