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Majority of Americans Support Confederate Statues Remaining in Place

Well then. Guess we oughta keep those participation trophies up.

While we're at it, we should also erect participation trophies to Benedict Arnold, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Timothy McVeigh, the 9/11 hijackers...

I'm not sure we should revise history at all.

On the one hand you want to revise history by elimination and now by addition.

Why is enacting revisionist measures so important to you?

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.

In passing, if we eliminate the foundational, historical justifications for affirmative action, should affirmative action also be eliminated?
 
I'm not sure we should revise history at all.

On the one hand you want to revise history by elimination and now by addition.

Why is enacting revisionist measures so important to you?

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.

In passing, if we eliminate the foundational, historical justifications for affirmative action, should affirmative action also be eliminated?


please understand removing monuments in no way diminishes our understanding of what morons the confederates were and confederate apologists are.
 
I have studied the revisionists through history who attempted to erase the records of those who came before. This is nothing new. It's been going on for 4,000 years.

Do you think that erasing the history surrounding the Civil War, whoopsie, War Between the States, is a good thing?

I've always thought that the origin of Stonewall Jackson's nick name was an amusing story. The atrocities committed in the Antebellum South are the foundation of the modern day Affirmative Action programs. Take away the foundations and many things fall apart.

History tells us a story that is what it is. Some is good and some not so good, but the fabric is comprised of all of the threads. Of course, history is written by the victors so it's only as accurate as their bias will allow.

Erasing history is not a great way to explain to our children how to avoid mistakes.

Revisionist history? Yes, let's talk about revisionist history. Let's talk about how some Southern whites wanted to rewrite the history of the Civil War, particularly its cause. That's "cause," singular, one thing and one thing only. Anyone who can read the English language can read the articles of secession by the states who left the Union to see for themselves what that cause was. But the revisionists created a "Lost Cause" mythology that pervades to this day. It is a big part of the KKK's identity, and those Tiki-torch-bearing KKK-wannabes are probably vulnerable to succumbing to that Lost Cause mythology.
 
Revisionist history? Yes, let's talk about revisionist history. Let's talk about how some Southern whites wanted to rewrite the history of the Civil War, particularly its cause. That's "cause," singular, one thing and one thing only. Anyone who can read the English language can read the articles of secession by the states who left the Union to see for themselves what that cause was. But the revisionists created a "Lost Cause" mythology that pervades to this day. It is a big part of the KKK's identity, and those Tiki-torch-bearing KKK-wannabes are probably vulnerable to succumbing to that Lost Cause mythology.

I don't know what the "Lost Cause mythology" that you cite might be.

You also seem to imply that "some Southern whites" are the only revisionists around. Are you serious with that?

Finally you seem to imply that the hate and anger in the "KKK-wannabes" have passions that are somehow based on logical, if warped, thinking.

On a separate topic, don't you think it was a tad ridiculous that these hate mongers were carrying your garden variety patio accoutrements to show their power? I mean, seriously, Tiki Torches?

Their hate is real. Their props are silly.
 
I don't know what the "Lost Cause mythology" that you cite might be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

You also seem to imply that "some Southern whites" are the only revisionists around. Are you serious with that?

Then you misread what I wrote.

Finally you seem to imply that the hate and anger in the "KKK-wannabes" have passions that are somehow based on logical, if warped, thinking.

On a separate topic, don't you think it was a tad ridiculous that these hate mongers were carrying your garden variety patio accoutrements to show their power? I mean, seriously, Tiki Torches?

Their hate is real. Their props are silly.

The Tiki torches weren't my choice. Neither were their hateful chants. :shrug:
 
There have been plenty of hate filled chants lately.

Too much chanting and too little communicating.

It is very difficult to communicate with people who aren't even sure whether Jews and Blacks are people. Because there can be no common ground with hate.
 
It is very difficult to communicate with people who aren't even sure whether Jews and Blacks are people. Because there can be no common ground with hate.

So your thesis is that there is only hate on one side of the violence lately? That's an interesting myopia you suffer under.

Here is one of the chants:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...=3d6011622a9c77185c02b9aa7566454f&action=view

These folks want to unite the people in destroying the USA. Trump wants to unite the people in building the USA.

My thesis is that the chanting, hate filled, violence prone a-holes in our society are destructive and hurtful cancers that need to be removed.

Why do you condemn only selected a-holes out of the general group?
 
So your thesis is that there is only hate on one side of the violence lately? That's an interesting myopia you suffer under.

Here is one of the chants:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...=3d6011622a9c77185c02b9aa7566454f&action=view

These folks want to unite the people in destroying the USA. Trump wants to unite the people in building the USA.

Stopped reading right there. A president who attracted open racism during his campaign and is slow to condemn that racism even as president is not a unifier of the people. Contrary to what the trolls told us for eight years, Trump is the most divisive president in generations, not just on policy, but how he seems perfectly OK with letting some groups of people pit themselves against other groups. Even George W. Bush didn't go that far.
 
"My thesis is that the chanting, hate filled, violence prone" Klan, neo-nazis, fascists, and those who support "them in our society are destructive and hurtful cancers that need to be removed."

The Alt Right symps don't get if they piss of regular America, their lives are going to become very miserable.
 
"My thesis is that the chanting, hate filled, violence prone" Klan, neo-nazis, fascists, and those who support "them in our society are destructive and hurtful cancers that need to be removed."

The Alt Right symps don't get if they piss of regular America, their lives are going to become very miserable.

If our "president" doesn't get a handle on the rising potential for violence from the Far-Right groups, something he has already shown a terrible ability to do, I think it's only going to be a matter of time before Far-Right violence explodes. But then you'd see mainstream Americans react with a shock that would pale in comparison to the reaction to the Charlottesville attack.
 
If our "president" doesn't get a handle on the rising potential for violence from the Far-Right groups, something he has already shown a terrible ability to do, I think it's only going to be a matter of time before Far-Right violence explodes. But then you'd see mainstream Americans react with a shock that would pale in comparison to the reaction to the Charlottesville attack.

We all saw what Antifa did to the Alt Right in VA.

Regular America's treatment of the Alt Right in such a case would end up being the Alt Right symps' worst nightmare coming to their town.
 
We all saw what Antifa did to the Alt Right in VA.

Regular America's treatment of the Alt Right in such a case would end up being the Alt Right symps' worst nightmare coming to their town.

Yup. Mainstream Americans, those that aren't very far in any direction on the political compass or are outright apolitical, just want to live their day-to-day lives. They will accept a certain level of boredom, but they will not accept disruption, particularly violent disruption. If the Far Right even tries to bring about their fantasy of an armed revolution, it would disrupt mainstream Americans' ways of life in such a manner that public opinion would turn sharply against the Far Right. For an example of this effect in action, consider how united this nation was immediately after 9/11. Not many people were against going after bin Laden at that point!
 
Stopped reading right there. A president who attracted open racism during his campaign and is slow to condemn that racism even as president is not a unifier of the people. Contrary to what the trolls told us for eight years, Trump is the most divisive president in generations, not just on policy, but how he seems perfectly OK with letting some groups of people pit themselves against other groups. Even George W. Bush didn't go that far.

"Even George W. Bush..."

That's an interesting comment. In what comment/policy did president George W. Bush strive to divide our country?

As President, Trump is incessantly calling for unity among US Citizens. He does not divide and exhorts those in the country to be united and to work together for the betterment of all.

What comment in particular from Trump and in context are you citing?
 
In the interest of history let's have a statue of Confederate General Jubal Early, inscribed with his inspirational words on the justification for the Southern cause:


"The Creator of the Universe had stamped them, indelibly, with a different color and an inferior physical and mental organization. He had not done this from mere caprice or whim, but for wise purposes. An amalgamation of the races was in contravention of His designs or He would not have made them so different. This immense number of people could not have been transported back to the wilds from which their ancestors were taken, or, if they could have been, it would have resulted in their relapse into barbarism. Reason, common sense, true humanity to the black, as well as the safety of the white race, required that the inferior race should be kept in a state of subordination. The conditions of domestic slavery, as it existed in the South, had not only resulted in a great improvement in the moral and physical condition of the negro race, but had furnished a class of laborers as happy and contented as any in the world."

Amen.
 
Posts like this are getting really old and really tiresome, nobody is trying to erase history. Northerners will be more than happy to remind Confederate apologists what idiots they are not to mentioned what losers the Confederacy was.

Posts like this are getting really old and really tiresome.
 
If our "president" doesn't get a handle on the rising potential for violence from the Far-Right groups, something he has already shown a terrible ability to do, I think it's only going to be a matter of time before Far-Right violence explodes. But then you'd see mainstream Americans react with a shock that would pale in comparison to the reaction to the Charlottesville attack.

But the left has never gotten a handle on the rising potential for violence from the Far-Left groups. Hell, the Blank Panthers stood outside of polling places in 2008 to intimidate white people from voting. The white supremacists in Charlottesville and several other places need police protection from the far left groups. That's pretty bad when Nazis need police protection from the violent left.
 
"Even George W. Bush..."

That's an interesting comment. In what comment/policy did president George W. Bush strive to divide our country?

As President, Trump is incessantly calling for unity among US Citizens. He does not divide and exhorts those in the country to be united and to work together for the betterment of all.

What comment in particular from Trump and in context are you citing?

GWB was a Republican. According to the left, all Republicans strive to divide our country.
 
In the interest of history let's have a statue of Confederate General Jubal Early, inscribed with his inspirational words on the justification for the Southern cause:


"The Creator of the Universe had stamped them, indelibly, with a different color and an inferior physical and mental organization. He had not done this from mere caprice or whim, but for wise purposes. An amalgamation of the races was in contravention of His designs or He would not have made them so different. This immense number of people could not have been transported back to the wilds from which their ancestors were taken, or, if they could have been, it would have resulted in their relapse into barbarism. Reason, common sense, true humanity to the black, as well as the safety of the white race, required that the inferior race should be kept in a state of subordination. The conditions of domestic slavery, as it existed in the South, had not only resulted in a great improvement in the moral and physical condition of the negro race, but had furnished a class of laborers as happy and contented as any in the world."

Amen.

The wide exposition of this kind of thinking needs to be frequent and bold.

It is only through examination that stupidity can be identified and avoided.

I am pretty sure that a direct descendant of Confederate General Jubal Early coined this phrase: "Hey, you guys, watch this... Here, hold my beer". :)
 
GWB was a Republican. According to the left, all Republicans strive to divide our country.

And are also racist homophobes.

When did treating everyone equally and fairly become a divisive and racist approach to life?
 
But the left has never gotten a handle on the rising potential for violence from the Far-Left groups. Hell, the Blank Panthers stood outside of polling places in 2008 to intimidate white people from voting. The white supremacists in Charlottesville and several other places need police protection from the far left groups. That's pretty bad when Nazis need police protection from the violent left.

Oh yes, all those Nazis need protection. :roll:

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QUICK, SEND IN THE PROTECTION FOR THE NAZIS FROM THESE VIOLENT LEFTISTS. :lol:
 
Oh yes, all those Nazis need protection. :roll:

Into_the_Jaws_of_Death_23-0455M_edit.jpg


QUICK, SEND IN THE PROTECTION FOR THE NAZIS FROM THESE VIOLENT LEFTISTS. :lol:

Do you deny that police have been tasked with protecting the white supremacists in places like Charlottesville, Boston, etc.? It is the radical left antifa who have been confronting and attacking the police themselves. In fact, the antifa are against the police and consider them the enemy.
 
Do you deny that police have been tasked with protecting the white supremacists in places like Charlottesville, Boston, etc.? It is the radical left antifa who have been confronting and attacking the police themselves. In fact, the antifa are against the police and consider them the enemy.

See those brave men in that photo? They took on the Nazis. They're part of why we have freedom today. And the Neo-Nazis want to take that freedom away from most of us.

If you sympathize with the Neo-Nazis, then you are siding against freedom and justice. It is that simple.
 
But if 2/3 of the country wants the statues to remain in place, isn't it antidemocratic to for remove them because a loud minority wets their pants at the thought of a historic statue? Yes, yes it is.

Speaking of democracy. what if 2/3 the people of this country vote to bring back burning witches. Does the popular vote rule? I am sure glad we are not a democracy.
 
We should be arresting these hooligans for vandalism, destruction of public property, give them thirty days in jail and demand restitution. Some of this destruction is being done by groups in broad daylight. Where are the cops?

In the same way that all the terrorist revolutionaries in the 1770s should have been arrested for "vandalism, destruction of public property, give them thirty days in jail and demand restitution"?
 
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