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The Vulgar Manliness of Donald Trump

As a side note

Rick Flair is in the hospital I believe, rushed in this past weekend

Yes - I head that just yesterday. Forty years of bumps is a hell of a lot of punishment on the human body. I just the Nature Boy is going to be okay and spends another couple of decades enjoying a well deserved retirement. He is without a doubt the greatest professional performer in wrestling history.
 
They cared more about other things, for instance burning down the Washington that had lied to them so often and so easily.

And yes, Trump is in many ways one of the most honest people I have ever seen asking to be our President, a good third of this country to this day claims that Trump is honest so you should not be parading the statement "Trump is a liar" around as if it were established fact, because it is not.

Actually it has been well established that Trump lies and lies and lies and then lies some more.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?_r=0

Today, with the ridiculous General Pershing pig blood story shooting 49 terrorists - is just the latest example.
 
He has no filter. Worse, he's close to proving he can't be trained. I'd put money on the thought that very many people who voted for him are sorry they did. Unfortunately, too many of us couldn't stomach the only realistic alternative.

Didn't you vote for him in the primary? I seem to remember you supporting him even back then. I mean, I supported Hillary over Trump, but I damn sure didn't vote for her in the primary.

I've said from the beginning of this debacle that I can understand people saying that they had to vote for Trump because Hillary would be worse. I disagree about as much as someone can with a statement like that, but I can understand it. But I Can't for the life of me understand how anyone really thought he was going to be anything even close to a good president for our country. The writing was on the wall that he would be a monumental laughing stock of epic proportions. An immoral, ill tempered and thoughtless man. The most dishonest man to ever hold the office. An absolute failure on the american people's report card for the rest of our nation's history.
 
Didn't you vote for him in the primary? I seem to remember you supporting him even back then. I mean, I supported Hillary over Trump, but I damn sure didn't vote for her in the primary.

I've said from the beginning of this debacle that I can understand people saying that they had to vote for Trump because Hillary would be worse. I disagree about as much as someone can with a statement like that, but I can understand it. But I Can't for the life of me understand how anyone really thought he was going to be anything even close to a good president for our country. The writing was on the wall that he would be a monumental laughing stock of epic proportions. An immoral, ill tempered and thoughtless man. The most dishonest man to ever hold the office. An absolute failure on the american people's report card for the rest of our nation's history.

I agree with much of what you've said here.
 
They cared more about other things, for instance burning down the Washington that had lied to them so often and so easily.

No, they didn't. Evangelicals are part and parcel of the Washington establishment. That is simply objective fact.
And yes, Trump is in many ways one of the most honest people I have ever seen asking to be our President, a good third of this country to this day claims that Trump is honest so you should not be parading the statement "Trump is a liar" around as if it were established fact, because it is not.

It is an established fact that Trump is not only a liar, but a pathological liar.
 
I can only answer for me but I have never thought of the term "manliness" when it comes to trump. And that was true waaaaaay before he became president and even more so now. He is the president and still as thin-skinned and childish as ever. Others may feel thats a man is suppossed to be but i never have. lol
 
No, they didn't. Evangelicals are part and parcel of the Washington establishment. That is simply objective fact.

It is an established fact that Trump is not only a liar, but a pathological liar.

The super rich who are stuffing something like 98% of the wealth created into their pockets which they pick out of ours as they get us all consumed with their diversionary BS such as race dont give two ****s about religion.

You are really lost.
 
Actually it has been well established that Trump lies and lies and lies and then lies some more.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?_r=0

Today, with the ridiculous General Pershing pig blood story shooting 49 terrorists - is just the latest example.

And it has been well established that a very large chunk of your fellow citizens, who are your eguals one seems to need to point out these days, make the call differently.

Which is their right.

The point is in dispute, by definition.
 
Well, the NY people who knew him best called him "the short fingered vulgarian "
Ripped people off so the banks wouldn't lend him money.
We still don't know his assets (taxes??)

Have you ever paid attention to his hands? His fingers are actually very stubby.
 
The super rich who are stuffing something like 98% of the wealth created into their pockets which they pick out of ours as they get us all consumed with their diversionary BS such as race dont give two ****s about religion.

You are really lost.

You seem to be incapable of responding to what's written in posts.

Sorry, not interested in inchoate ramblings unrelated to what I've stated.
 
You seem to be incapable of responding to what's written in posts.

Sorry, not interested in inchoate ramblings unrelated to what I've stated.

We both lose because of you.

Thanks Pal.
 
Tell me why does being childish matter?
Btw NO MATTER IN WHAT CONTEXT IT WAS MEANT "THE LOSE" WORD, YOU WOULD ALL LOSE, LOOK AT THE PAGE AT MY PROFILE,
You think you know anyone who can beat me? Let me challenge that person! You can ask ANYBODY ON YOUR FACEBOOK. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL LOSE!!!

WTF? :lamo

Take a deep breath, control your retarded melt down and ask what i think was a question in English this time, thanks
 
haymarket said:
Actually it has been well established that Trump lies and lies and lies and then lies some more.

Technically, they're not lies if Trump believes them. I think he probably does believe them. Not that this makes things any better...
 
And it has been well established that a very large chunk of your fellow citizens, who are your eguals one seems to need to point out these days, make the call differently.

Which is their right.

The point is in dispute, by definition.

Sadly for you and 45 - the majority feel otherwise.
 
Technically, they're not lies if Trump believes them. I think he probably does believe them. Not that this makes things any better...

Belief has nothing to do with lies of fact.
 
I don't believe that they're sorry they did, I think it's just a much more deeper feeling of embarrassment. It's a guilty pleasure so to speak.

What this article dances around but didn't address, (because it would seem like a compliment, which we know isn't coming from Commentary) which to me, I believe is the reason most people supported and still do support him is that whether he's vulgar or polite, rude and obnoxious or reserved and "Presidential" -- he exudes a feeling of "genuine-ness".

What you see is what you get.

A freedom to act as you want free of the constraints society has heaped upon us. That's very appealing. People can gain some measure of themselves back vicariously through him. This goes beyond just the agree or disagree stage of what he says, but deeper into that he says it. Millions of people every day have to check themselves and think about how what they're about to say is going to be perceived and how that will affect them in the positive or the negative, what's the fall out gonna be, is it going to make me shine or look like an imbecile, is this person gonna be offended, how are they gonna take this, should I say it, so on and so forth...

It's his reckless abandon that people admire, because in the "lower echelons" in our society, the trades, the blue collar types -- that's how people speak to one another, or at least they use to.

That's because there was a time not so long ago that people weren't out looking to take offense at what other people said to them. Benefit of the doubt was given because it was assumed everyone was basically a good person and not looking to insult anyone.

Part of what I have taken from the "Make America Great Again" slogan (and a lot of people have agreed with me *anecdotal I know) is simply to turn America back to another time when everyone didn't have a stick up their ass.

That's the way I see it, anyhow...:shrug:
This seems like a lot of words to say, dumbasses, bigots, racists and douches with anger issues are tired of being called what they are, and having it be negative now. So they voted one of them in to say hahaha, "we win", for a second at least.

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He has no filter. Worse, he's close to proving he can't be trained. I'd put money on the thought that very many people who voted for him are sorry they did. Unfortunately, too many of us couldn't stomach the only realistic alternative.

I'm not sorry.
 
haymarket said:
Belief has nothing to do with lies of fact.

Sure it does. It may be false, for example, that it's raining outside. I may believe that it's raining because when I look out the window, it's dark, and there's a bunch of water seemingly falling from the sky. But it could just be overcast, and a prankster neighbor might be spraying my windows with a hose. If I am talking to someone on the phone and I mention "it's raining," I have not lied, provided I believe it's raining. What I have done is told a falsehood.

The issue is complicated because all human beings have a responsibility to seek reasonable verification for their beliefs. In the hypothetical case above, the evidence I have is ordinarily enough to fulfill the responsibility. In that case, while I have told a falsehood, I am excused because of the circumstances. But that might change if I also know, for example, that the person I'm talking to has bet a large sum of money on whether it's raining here or not, or if I know that my neighbor regularly likes to prank me in this way. Most people are instinctively aware of this responsibility to adequately verify belief. One kind of person who often is not aware of this responsibility is the narcissist megalomaniac.
 
Sure it does. It may be false, for example, that it's raining outside. I may believe that it's raining because when I look out the window, it's dark, and there's a bunch of water seemingly falling from the sky. But it could just be overcast, and a prankster neighbor might be spraying my windows with a hose. If I am talking to someone on the phone and I mention "it's raining," I have not lied, provided I believe it's raining. What I have done is told a falsehood.

The issue is complicated because all human beings have a responsibility to seek reasonable verification for their beliefs. In the hypothetical case above, the evidence I have is ordinarily enough to fulfill the responsibility. In that case, while I have told a falsehood, I am excused because of the circumstances. But that might change if I also know, for example, that the person I'm talking to has bet a large sum of money on whether it's raining here or not, or if I know that my neighbor regularly likes to prank me in this way. Most people are instinctively aware of this responsibility to adequately verify belief. One kind of person who often is not aware of this responsibility is the narcissist megalomaniac.

And what does any of that have to do with the endless list of Trump lies?
 
This seems like a lot of words to say, dumbasses, bigots, racists and douches with anger issues are tired of being called what they are, and having it be negative now. So they voted one of them in to say hahaha, "we win", for a second at least.

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https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/vulgar-manliness-donald-trump/

I don't agree with all the conclusions but it is a good article.

Read and comment...

I grew up seeing Trump as a Celebrity. I always thought he was a arrogant asshole. When he announced for President he was far from my first choice of the 17 GOP candidates.

But I started ignoring his style and listened to his actual policy plans. Before the GOP primaries were half over I was 100% on the Trump train.

As President he unpolished but I don't care. That is not why I voted for him. I voted for him for the policies that have created the best economy in 10 years, The highest consumer and small business confidence in 16 years, the lowest gas prices in 12 years (and no this was not a trend from Obama).

Also I voted for him for the fact that he actually is putting America first and not leading from behind. As a result aside from a few European Leftist that are pissed President Trump kicked them off the US tax payer gravy train, we have the best standing in the world than we have had since the fall of the USSR.

These recent so called scandals were not created by Trump, they were created by the artificial overreaction of Trump hating Leftist watching and attempting distract from their ideology being proven a failure.

Bottom line , even as loud mouth and barbaric as Trump is I prefer that to a sneaky little passive aggressive weasel Obama was.
 
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haymarket said:
And what does any of that have to do with the endless list of Trump lies?

Because, if he believes what he's saying, he's not lying. If we are going to fight what's going on, we have to accurately understand what's going on. You approach a liar differently from a person who has delusions due to extreme narcissism.
 
Because, if he believes what he's saying, he's not lying. If we are going to fight what's going on, we have to accurately understand what's going on. You approach a liar differently from a person who has delusions due to extreme narcissism.

When SEINFELD used that line years ago coming from the mouth of George Constanza, it was made in jest to mock the true believers. Now its become a standard of truth. AMAZING!!! :doh:roll::shock::(
 
haymarket said:
When SEINFELD used that line years ago coming from the mouth of George Constanza, it was made in jest to mock the true believers.

I'm only a little familiar with Seinfeld. My point about lying was first made (as far as we know) by Augustin of Hippo in the 4th century, and unless I miss my guess, Seinfeld isn't that old. Augustin's account has become the standard account of the criteria of lying.

haymarket said:
Now its become a standard of truth. AMAZING!!!

You're missing my point. I imagine you were quite surprised that Trump became the Republican candidate, and then that he was elected President. I know I was. I know I'm also appalled at his conduct, and my impression now is that my worst fears about him are true. Fighting someone like this requires precision.

If you keep calling Trump a liar, you do nothing to help your cause. Trump is losing support of swing voters, but it's early in his presidency, and he can make that support back up (by, for example, goading North Korea into starting a war). His supporters believe he's much more honest than most politicians precisely because he tells you exactly what he thinks, and he won the Presidency arguably on exactly that trait. So if you want Trump to be a one term President, and you agitate for the same, you have to get his dynamic right.
 
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