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Trump Is Destroying Conservatism

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I'm seeing more and more people on the Right say this. Clearly, IMO, this was self-evident long before the Cheeto took office. But, I understand the concept of being slow to learn hard lessons. Been there, done that.

Of the many concerns NeverTrumpers had about Donald Trump, one was that he would destroy the conservative movement by becoming the face of it.

Mission well on its way to being accomplished.

Trump's moral failings on Charlottesville are destroying conservatism

Trump was never "conservative." We all knew it. Some conservatives maybe held their nose and got the SCOTUS judge they wanted. But, at what price?

The average person could not begin to make the distinction between being a Republican and being a conservative. For all intents and purposes, Trump is now the face of both to most of the country. On policy matters, that means many have come to associate populism with conservatism.

After the events of the last week, too many people will now, unfortunately, begin to associate white nationalism with conservatism.
At that price.
 
1 thing is for sure. Concerning the Confederate Statues, the Nazis Sieg Heiling the Lee statue has caused it all to backfire on the White Supremacists and Nazis.

Those statues are coming down all over the country now.

As far as conservatism goes, IDK. Trump was never seen as a 'conservative', and let's face it more and more people are starting to realize the guy is just plain nuts. So people may not be taking him too seriously. IMO it might be more important to conservatism in how the GOP reacts to Trump.
 
I'm seeing more and more people on the Right say this. Clearly, IMO, this was self-evident long before the Cheeto took office. But, I understand the concept of being slow to learn hard lessons. Been there, done that.



Trump was never "conservative." We all knew it. Some conservatives maybe held their nose and got the SCOTUS judge they wanted. But, at what price?


At that price.

Trump is not a "conservative". He is a New Yorker.
 
1 thing is for sure. Concerning the Confederate Statues, the Nazis Sieg Heiling the Lee statue has caused it all to backfire on the White Supremacists and Nazis.

Those statues are coming down all over the country now.

As far as conservatism goes, IDK. Trump was never seen as a 'conservative', and let's face it more and more people are starting to realize the guy is just plain nuts. So people may not be taking him too seriously. IMO it might be more important to conservatism in how the GOP reacts to Trump.

Yes to the bold.

I've been following the more rational conservatives for the past 6 months now (the article I linked is from a conservative site). And, all of them agree. We need to get rid of this idiot. They know that protecting him hurts their brand.

This paragraph right here nails it.

What millennial would want to associate with conservatism (or the Republican Party for that matter) when they see the de facto face of conservatism refuse to flatly condemn the alt-right, which is just a euphemism for white nationalism?

The people with a brain who lead conservatism know that the movement's future is not going to be very successful if the only millennials they can attract are young, dumbasses like the guy who drove that silver Dodge into that crowd of people.
 
Trump is not a "conservative". He is a New Yorker.

He's a conman, who apparently harbors many racist thoughts and ideas.
 
1 thing is for sure. Concerning the Confederate Statues, the Nazis Sieg Heiling the Lee statue has caused it all to backfire on the White Supremacists and Nazis.

Those statues are coming down all over the country now.

As far as conservatism goes, IDK. Trump was never seen as a 'conservative', and let's face it more and more people are starting to realize the guy is just plain nuts. So people may not be taking him too seriously. IMO it might be more important to conservatism in how the GOP reacts to Trump.

Yes. And the concern is that there is too much of the Republican party that is still being meek, or altogether silent, about what Trump is doing.

If only a minority of the GOP is going to actually stand up against him and the movements that surround him -- not just ignore him and make parallel statements for their own image, not just stay silent, not just say they don't agree but go along with his initiatives anyway, ACTUALLY stand up -- then the GOP is going to lose their identity to Trump, and to white nationalists.

And look, I genuinely don't want to see that happen. I've had a lot of really good conversations over the years with actual sane American conservatives. And I think all of us of any political persuasion fundamentally agree on the basics of what America is, or should be, about.

This is their time to prove they still believe in those things. And they're going to have to do better than just Twittering that violence is bad.
 
True principled conservatives must find a way to separate themselves from right wing populist movements like Trumpsim and the tea party know nothings. And perhaps Trump is that enema which will cleanse the GOP of that waste.
 
He's a conman,

Obviously much of his base only cares about race, and nothing else Trump says or does will matter to them. As long as he spews BS about the 'Wall', and hate about Mexicans and Muslims, they'll be happy.

BUT there's many who voted for him who are not racists, and they knew Trump's track record. He was a Dem, he was in the Reform party, now he's a Republican, he was this, he was that. He goes with which way the wind is blowing. They knew this, yet they still voted for hom.

They got conned. Now they maybe paying the price.
 
True conservatives are rebuking and correcting Trump.

Yeah, you're partially right. But, the conservatives are having to jump onto the liberal bandwagon and advocate the subtle genocide of whites in order to do it.
 
Yeah, you're partially right. But, the conservatives are having to jump onto the liberal bandwagon and advocate the subtle genocide of whites in order to do it.

"subtle genocide of whites"? What does that even mean?

Are you talking about low birth rate, interracial marriage, immigration...or are you suggesting that there is somewhere a straight up, wholesale slaughter of whites?
 
Obviously much of his base only cares about race, and nothing else Trump says or does will matter to them. As long as he spews BS about the 'Wall', and hate about Mexicans and Muslims, they'll be happy.

BUT there's many who voted for him who are not racists, and they knew Trump's track record. He was a Dem, he was in the Reform party, now he's a Republican, he was this, he was that. He goes with which way the wind is blowing. They knew this, yet they still voted for hom.

They got conned. Now they maybe paying the price.


I agree with you 100 percent. I care about race too and, unfortunately, if this becomes a war of cultures I will have to fight for the survival of my race, culture and destiny.

Most of my initial posts on this board were to chide those who supported Trump over his idiotic wall and deportation agenda. It really is the ideas and aspirations of the nazis. And why white people cannot see beyond those issues and look at the bigger picture is beyond my comprehension - unless we just don't have ANY qualified leadership.

I'm concerned about the future of the whites in this country. At the same time, for everything you gain, there's something lost. Consequently the whites can't see the forest for the trees and they lost big time on the monument issue. Monuments are gone. Liberals 1 Whites 0.
 
As far as conservatism goes, IDK. Trump was never seen as a 'conservative', and let's face it more and more people are starting to realize the guy is just plain nuts. So people may not be taking him too seriously. IMO it might be more important to conservatism in how the GOP reacts to Trump.
It's true that Trump has never been conservative.
However, "conservatives" have flocked to Trump and made him their ostensible leader.
So the association is voluntary and exceptionally well-established.

Imho, it's the conservative market segment rather than actual conservatives who have taken to fellating the Donald.
But, for the majority of America "conservative market segment" = conservatives.

Maybe their hindsight i gaining acuity.
 
RINOs have been destroying Conservatism - that's been going on since long before Trump got into the picture.

GOP Congressmen screaming for 7 years about ObamaCare when they didn't really have any genuine consensus for their own alternative. Absolutely ridiculous. Screwing around like that for 7 years is an example of destruction of conservatism.

Republicans surrendering to stupid Left-wing policies, one after another, is destruction of conservatism.

Otherwise, if this bumbling is conservatism, then it's a good it's being destroyed.
 
Yes. And the concern is that there is too much of the Republican party that is still being meek, or altogether silent, about what Trump is doing.

If only a minority of the GOP is going to actually stand up against him and the movements that surround him -- not just ignore him and make parallel statements for their own image, not just stay silent, not just say they don't agree but go along with his initiatives anyway, ACTUALLY stand up -- then the GOP is going to lose their identity to Trump, and to white nationalists.

And look, I genuinely don't want to see that happen. I've had a lot of really good conversations over the years with actual sane American conservatives. And I think all of us of any political persuasion fundamentally agree on the basics of what America is, or should be, about.

This is their time to prove they still believe in those things. And they're going to have to do better than just Twittering that violence is bad.

The biggest irony of all this is that I have for most of my adult life identified as mostly conservative, and I still do, for the most part. Sure, I am not on their page at all re: social issues like Gay Rights, abortion, feminism, and religion. But, fiscally and militarily, I am far more conservative than the past two Republican presidents. There is no question in my mind that the Republican party has abandoned conservatism and embraced hawkish and racist positions.

They always accuse liberals of identity politics, but that is pure projection. No one plays identity politics like the current Right.
 
"subtle genocide of whites"? What does that even mean?
Are you talking about low birth rate, interracial marriage, immigration...or are you suggesting that there is somewhere a straight up, wholesale slaughter of whites?

My initial guess is that he is playing the victim card.
That seems to be the case every time I have encountered someone talking that way.
They feel oppressed an victimized for their whiteness.
So they cry and want someone to make it better.


Them folks is manly as ****.
All about other folks stepping up and taking responsibility for the situation they find themselves in.
They would do the same themselves, but for all the oppression against white folks these days which makes it too hard for them.
So instead they whine about how other folks need to man up and take responsibility for their lives.​


Idk Resister.
He may not be like the other folks who whine about how white folks are oppressed in the USA.
Not trying to say that he is like them.
Just commenting on other folks who have used similar phrasings and arguments.

We should take Resister's response—not mine—to be his response
 
IMO it might be more important to conservatism in how the GOP reacts to Trump.

NeverTrumpers are doing the same thing the left does, and Jaime Weinstein typifies that in the article. And that is: Americans too stupid to figure out the difference.

I thought people who identify with conservatism would never join forces with leftists in the manner in which they have against DJT.
 
"subtle genocide of whites"? What does that even mean?

Are you talking about low birth rate, interracial marriage, immigration...or are you suggesting that there is somewhere a straight up, wholesale slaughter of whites?

All the above. We have a low birth rate because family values are attacked. The most likely place you see family values attacked are in the churches, which are held to certain standards - such as, do it the government's way or lose your non-profit corporate status. Case in point:

During my lifetime, one church was told by the government to change their policy on inter-racial dating on campus or lose their non-profit status. Boy was I confused! If we have a separation of church and state, why is the government taxing a church in the first place and then if they let them skate on the taxes, how is it the government should dictate the beliefs that church has?

Interracial marriage dilutes the white race and black genes are more dominant over white genes, so their offspring is generally seen as the race of the darker parent - like Barack Obama.

With immigration, the whites do that one to themselves. We will acquire about 780,000 new citizens this year. The bulk will be non-white. The white racists have been conned into believing the only way you should come to America is if you're seeking citizenship. I'm for allowing people to come here and not be forced into citizenship.

Here is a list of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by Muslims:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/

There is no point trying to tell me there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. Mainstream America had a problem with Donald Trump when he said that some of the Charlottesville protesters were "fine people." No, the masses want to believe they are all neo nazi, hate filled bigots. With that attitude, whites have to be realistic.

If any white believes that the norm is mom, dad, three kids, and a house in the 'burbs, they are vilified. If you are not a gay couple with adopted children and at least two races involved, you are perceived as being abnormal. That is a fact and a look at most tv shows demonstrates what Hollywood sells as being the new norm.

Churches are under assault as well as the family unit. The government is taking down the statues, monuments and memorials so as to erase the history of the white people. The government is changing the names of streets, roads, schools and government buildings to eliminate any mention of the white heroes and leaders of our past. They are taking the faces of whites off the currency.

The government is feeding the white people legal (sic) drugs like SSRIs to keep them docile and unable to fight back.

That deal with the political propaganda prostitutes saying that whites are no longer welcome in America; that they are racists, hatemongers, and neo nazis; that they don't want our votes was a not so subtle signal and maybe we should look at the genocidal war being waged. I've never advanced myself at the expense of any other person. But, I'm for protecting, advancing and preserving my race and culture, just like any other race or culture. I sat on my backside long enough. The RINOs woke me up.
 
They always accuse liberals of identity politics, but that is pure projection. No one plays identity politics like the current Right.
And they are the "Right" in the sense of being authoritarian.

Authoritarianism has always seemed inherently un-American to me.
I'm in favor of small, efficient government.
I'm in favor of a strong national defense.
I'm in favor of holding on to the established parts of our past, laws, and culture which have served us well.
I'm in favor of gradually changing and developing the parts of our laws and culture which need changing the face of the modern world.
I'm in favor of the default judgment being on the side of personal liberty vs govt control. When there's a choice to be made, the default choice should be for personal freedom. If there're extenuatiing circumstances, then perhaps it should be decided in favor of the govt—but the default should be in favor of human liberty.

But the authoritarianism of the "Right" [who get their name from the pro-aristocracy folks rather than the pro-democracy left-wing] has never appealed to me.

I am conservative, but I cannot want the mantle of right-wing because it is inherently authoritarian (un-American)
 
Yeah, you're partially right. But, the conservatives are having to jump onto the liberal bandwagon and advocate the subtle genocide of whites in order to do it.

Nobody is advocating the "subtle genocide of whites." That's utter nonsense; a lie propagated by white supremacist and Nazi asshats to justify their hateful views.
 
All the above. We have a low birth rate because family values are attacked. The most likely place you see family values attacked are in the churches, which are held to certain standards - such as, do it the government's way or lose your non-profit corporate status. Case in point:

During my lifetime, one church was told by the government to change their policy on inter-racial dating on campus or lose their non-profit status. Boy was I confused! If we have a separation of church and state, why is the government taxing a church in the first place and then if they let them skate on the taxes, how is it the government should dictate the beliefs that church has?

Interracial marriage dilutes the white race and black genes are more dominant over white genes, so their offspring is generally seen as the race of the darker parent - like Barack Obama.

With immigration, the whites do that one to themselves. We will acquire about 780,000 new citizens this year. The bulk will be non-white. The white racists have been conned into believing the only way you should come to America is if you're seeking citizenship. I'm for allowing people to come here and not be forced into citizenship.

Here is a list of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by Muslims:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/

There is no point trying to tell me there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. Mainstream America had a problem with Donald Trump when he said that some of the Charlottesville protesters were "fine people." No, the masses want to believe they are all neo nazi, hate filled bigots. With that attitude, whites have to be realistic.

If any white believes that the norm is mom, dad, three kids, and a house in the 'burbs, they are vilified. If you are not a gay couple with adopted children and at least two races involved, you are perceived as being abnormal. That is a fact and a look at most tv shows demonstrates what Hollywood sells as being the new norm.

Churches are under assault as well as the family unit. The government is taking down the statues, monuments and memorials so as to erase the history of the white people. The government is changing the names of streets, roads, schools and government buildings to eliminate any mention of the white heroes and leaders of our past. They are taking the faces of whites off the currency.

The government is feeding the white people legal (sic) drugs like SSRIs to keep them docile and unable to fight back.

That deal with the political propaganda prostitutes saying that whites are no longer welcome in America; that they are racists, hatemongers, and neo nazis; that they don't want our votes was a not so subtle signal and maybe we should look at the genocidal war being waged. I've never advanced myself at the expense of any other person. But, I'm for protecting, advancing and preserving my race and culture, just like any other race or culture. I sat on my backside long enough. The RINOs woke me up.

How was the drive back from Charlottesville, and did you bring any tiki torches back?

The idea that white people are being erased from history, that being straight is considered abnormal ... hell, pretty much everything you posted is nonsensical garbage. Take that crap back to Stormfront where it belongs.
 
All the above. We have a low birth rate because family values are attacked. The most likely place you see family values attacked are in the churches, which are held to certain standards - such as, do it the government's way or lose your non-profit corporate status. Case in point:

During my lifetime, one church was told by the government to change their policy on inter-racial dating on campus or lose their non-profit status. Boy was I confused! If we have a separation of church and state, why is the government taxing a church in the first place and then if they let them skate on the taxes, how is it the government should dictate the beliefs that church has?

Interracial marriage dilutes the white race and black genes are more dominant over white genes, so their offspring is generally seen as the race of the darker parent - like Barack Obama.

With immigration, the whites do that one to themselves. We will acquire about 780,000 new citizens this year. The bulk will be non-white. The white racists have been conned into believing the only way you should come to America is if you're seeking citizenship. I'm for allowing people to come here and not be forced into citizenship.

Here is a list of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by Muslims:

BIG LIST of Muslim terror attacks in U.S. since 9/11

There is no point trying to tell me there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. Mainstream America had a problem with Donald Trump when he said that some of the Charlottesville protesters were "fine people." No, the masses want to believe they are all neo nazi, hate filled bigots. With that attitude, whites have to be realistic.

If any white believes that the norm is mom, dad, three kids, and a house in the 'burbs, they are vilified. If you are not a gay couple with adopted children and at least two races involved, you are perceived as being abnormal. That is a fact and a look at most tv shows demonstrates what Hollywood sells as being the new norm.

Churches are under assault as well as the family unit. The government is taking down the statues, monuments and memorials so as to erase the history of the white people. The government is changing the names of streets, roads, schools and government buildings to eliminate any mention of the white heroes and leaders of our past. They are taking the faces of whites off the currency.

The government is feeding the white people legal (sic) drugs like SSRIs to keep them docile and unable to fight back.

That deal with the political propaganda prostitutes saying that whites are no longer welcome in America; that they are racists, hatemongers, and neo nazis; that they don't want our votes was a not so subtle signal and maybe we should look at the genocidal war being waged. I've never advanced myself at the expense of any other person. But, I'm for protecting, advancing and preserving my race and culture, just like any other race or culture. I sat on my backside long enough. The RINOs woke me up.

Well, when it comes to racial genetics, we do have to look at the bigger picture. And, I do mean the bigger picture.

First and foremost, "white" is a genetic mutation unique to Northern Europeans, which came about due to a vitamin D deficiency among darker skinned offspring in Northern climates. It is not the statistically dominant race of human beings, nor is it the normal variant thereof. Only a small number of all people are "white" because only a small number of us have this mutation, and it rapidly gets bred out, as you mentioned. So, that "whites" are being crowded out, as it were, is not a surprise.

Now....here's the part I don't get. Why should it matter if whites stay white? I mean, wtf? Who really cares what color humans are?
 
Nobody is advocating the "subtle genocide of whites." That's utter nonsense; a lie propagated by white supremacist and Nazi asshats to justify their hateful views.

Oh noes!!1!

Your lab is breeding with my golden retriever!!!

Its "subtle genocide of labs"!!!

God damn, racists are stupid...
 
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