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Trump Is Destroying Conservatism

It's not only the hue, it's the culture that is being attacked, but we all know that race is a factor.

Yes the white "culture" of racism is being attacked and will be attacked until it is wiped off the face of this country. It is a stain on our heritage and we owe a debt of gratitude to the scum that gathered in Charlotesville for helping us speed the removal of statues memorializing racism. They removed any vestige of "historic" value to those hideous apparitions of hate. And making them a focal point for the KKK and Nazi's made even the most reticent politician realize that leaving them up makes their municipality a target for another murderous demonstration.

Confederate statues and memorials to be removed across US - CNN

The descendants of Lee, Jackson and Davis want the Confederate statues to come down - CNN
 
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Yes the white "culture" of racism is being attacked and will be attacked until it is wiped off the face of this country. It is a stain on our heritage and we owe a debt of gratitude to the scum that gathered in Charlotesville for helping us speed the removal of statues memorializing racism. They removed any vestige of "historic" value to those hideous apparitions of hate. And making them a focal point for the KKK and Nazi's made even the most reticent politician realize that leaving them up makes their municipality a target for another murderous demonstration.

Confederate statues and memorials to be removed across US - CNN

The descendants of Lee, Jackson and Davis want the Confederate statues to come down - CNN

So, at least you admit that those who are interested in white culture will be attacked until they are driven from the face of the earth.

I can admit that the strategies of the extremists caused them to lose on this issue. But, here is what I'm seeing. For everything the left gains, there is something lost. What happens if the next crop of white activists are not your average nazi, bigot hatemonger?
 
So, at least you admit that those who are interested in white culture will be attacked until they are driven from the face of the earth.

I can admit that the strategies of the extremists caused them to lose on this issue. But, here is what I'm seeing. For everything the left gains, there is something lost. What happens if the next crop of white activists are not your average nazi, bigot hatemonger?

This is not a left or right issue. It is about our basic values as a nation. Your racism is inconsistent with that and whenever it rears its ugly head it will be struck down. The flaw in the "strategy" is that you are revealing yourselves like never before instead of hiding in the shadows where you could survive unnoticed. Keep it up.
 
This is not a left or right issue. It is about our basic values as a nation. Your racism is inconsistent with that and whenever it rears its ugly head it will be struck down. The flaw in the "strategy" is that you are revealing yourselves like never before instead of hiding in the shadows where you could survive unnoticed. Keep it up.

I've never hid from anyone. And if anyone exposes themselves, it would be people like you. You are making sure that anyone that cares about their past and their destiny is a racist. You can't deal with it because the word cuts both ways.

I'm not a bit amused by the nazis. I don't believe in National Socialism and I've been on the forefront of the battle, defending foreigners from the tyrannical actions of people like Trump. Where were you?

You expect people to forget their families, their past and their achievements. If they don't do that and buy into your program whole hog, they are a racist living in the shadows. The LAST thing I'm going to be doing is hiding. When you've forgotten about this entire topic, I'll still be plugging along because your fantasy of a genocidal end to people like me means you have to kill every last one of us.
 
The thing is...

Even if we were to buy into the idea of genetic "races", we have no idea what humans will face in the future.
We are not fit arbiters of what genetic material needs preservation and what does not.
There will be unexpected viruses, and unforeseen physical conditions humans will need to survive in the future.
Currently available genetic material may contain the optimal outcomes for these wild card, future occurrences

Imho, we should continue to let Nature work her magic—make babies with whatever willing partner you are attracted to.

We aren't smart enough to do a better job.

My point was more from a genetic perspective.

Dominant/recessive.

If "white" genes are being "replaced" then they weren't as strong as the ones that replaced them.

I personally can't wait until we get to that golden skin/slight epicanthic fold look geneticists predict we will eventually attain.
 
I've never hid from anyone. And if anyone exposes themselves, it would be people like you. You are making sure that anyone that cares about their past and their destiny is a racist. You can't deal with it because the word cuts both ways.

I'm not a bit amused by the nazis. I don't believe in National Socialism and I've been on the forefront of the battle, defending foreigners from the tyrannical actions of people like Trump. Where were you?

You expect people to forget their families, their past and their achievements. If they don't do that and buy into your program whole hog, they are a racist living in the shadows. The LAST thing I'm going to be doing is hiding. When you've forgotten about this entire topic, I'll still be plugging along because your fantasy of a genocidal end to people like me means you have to kill every last one of us.

Isn't it just like a white supremacist to talk about killing and being a victim? What are you going to "plug on" about when the Confederate statues are all removed? My Great Great Grandfather foiled a Confederate plot to take Pittsburgh and this "family" will continue to thwart those that think being White makes you superior. They have no place in America. And yes you were hiding until Trump made your kind feel "accepted". You are not and you will find it out soon enough.
 
Can someone please point out who a "true conservative" is to me?

Paul Ryan? John McCain? George Bush?

Recent conservatives that I can think of have conserved nothing. The only other "viable" conservative candidate running alongside Trump was Rand Paul. The rest were garbage neocons who would've conserved NOTHING. It's hard to take the Republican party seriously when half of them are warhawks and a quarter of them are left of center. There is a small portion that is even relatively sane and wants to conserve parts of this great country we call America.
 
I love "I hate Trump" bait threads, where Liberals like to announce their superiority and tell everyone they know what's best for them.

I can't help but ask: if Liberals know everything, like they claim, how did President Trump get elected, to begin with?
 
Isn't it just like a white supremacist to talk about killing and being a victim? What are you going to "plug on" about when the Confederate statues are all removed? My Great Great Grandfather foiled a Confederate plot to take Pittsburgh and this "family" will continue to thwart those that think being White makes you superior. They have no place in America. And yes you were hiding until Trump made your kind feel "accepted". You are not and you will find it out soon enough.

You seem to be doing all you can to insult me. Do you have what it takes to have a civil discourse?

Quite frankly I haven't looked to see if I had relatives that fought in the War of Northern Aggression aka the Civil War. And I don't need to reign supreme over anyone, so you don't have a case there either. Now you're accusing me of "killing" people???? Do you happen to have two accounts here? Haven't we been exchanging PMs today?

I don't feel accepted due to Trump. I felt accepted until the MSM started saying there was no place in America for whites. You got the equation backward. I was sitting on the sidelines, doing the normal stuff, plugging along with the same activities that everybody does. Trump supporters had / have a major problem with me since I don't support that nutty wall around America idea nor deporting millions of people. I have never advanced myself at the expense of another human being. I'm not superior to anyone so, consequently, I don't think that an employer owes me a job just because I have a birth certificate from the United States.

When, because of the color of my skin and the fact that I think there is good and fine people among all groups - even those I disagree with that becomes a problem, then it's time for me to become active. And what you say to me sounds threatening, regardless of how it is intended. Unfortunately, I don't intimidate easily. But, if the left is advocating killing me since there is no place for me, I'm not about to roll over and play dead for them.
 
Can someone please point out who a "true conservative" is to me?

Paul Ryan? John McCain? George Bush?

Recent conservatives that I can think of have conserved nothing. The only other "viable" conservative candidate running alongside Trump was Rand Paul. The rest were garbage neocons who would've conserved NOTHING. It's hard to take the Republican party seriously when half of them are warhawks and a quarter of them are left of center. There is a small portion that is even relatively sane and wants to conserve parts of this great country we call America.


It's confusing to me and here is why:

If you looked at a Reagan era conservative compared to the RINOs we have today, they are 180 degrees apart in ideology
 
You seem to be doing all you can to insult me. Do you have what it takes to have a civil discourse?

Quite frankly I haven't looked to see if I had relatives that fought in the War of Northern Aggression aka the Civil War. And I don't need to reign supreme over anyone, so you don't have a case there either. Now you're accusing me of "killing" people???? Do you happen to have two accounts here? Haven't we been exchanging PMs today?

I don't feel accepted due to Trump. I felt accepted until the MSM started saying there was no place in America for whites. You got the equation backward. I was sitting on the sidelines, doing the normal stuff, plugging along with the same activities that everybody does. Trump supporters had / have a major problem with me since I don't support that nutty wall around America idea nor deporting millions of people. I have never advanced myself at the expense of another human being. I'm not superior to anyone so, consequently, I don't think that an employer owes me a job just because I have a birth certificate from the United States.

When, because of the color of my skin and the fact that I think there is good and fine people among all groups - even those I disagree with that becomes a problem, then it's time for me to become active. And what you say to me sounds threatening, regardless of how it is intended. Unfortunately, I don't intimidate easily. But, if the left is advocating killing me since there is no place for me, I'm not about to roll over and play dead for them.

I am not threatening you at all only explaining that the direction you are heading is not the right one. There is no war on white people and the groups claim that myth are full of bad people preaching violence and hatred. Unfortunately all your attempts to appear moderate and reasonable are negated by that one glaring idiocy. The color of ones skin has nothing to do with anything. It is only pigment. America has room for all levels of pigment.
 
It's confusing to me and here is why:

If you looked at a Reagan era conservative compared to the RINOs we have today, they are 180 degrees apart in ideology

So too are Reagan era Liberals... Just pointing it out for clarity.

I take your well reasoned responses in this thread to confirm what I've been saying for over a year now. Identity politics, and propagated by a largely liberal progressive media is going to force people to take sides eventually. Normal, mind their own business folks such as myself see this happening right in front of them, and we don't like it one bit, and, as you say, this dude is not about to roll over. The MSM have it in their mind that they can shame normal, rational white folks into somehow accepting the idea that everything ill that has happened to America in the last 150 years is all their fault; patronizingly admonishing us evil doers tantamount to the effectiveness of guilting a child who stole the warm cookies into coughing up the goods. Newsflash to MSM, SJW, and antifa.. Human nature DOES NOT work that way. No, Sir. What happens is well reasoned and rational hard working folks tend to react very differently when they feel cornered, similar to what wild animals do. There are innate and intrinsic traits that are hard wired into our DNA that preserve our desire for life, and nitpicking or nudging it away slowly but surely, only works for those not reasoned and rational enough not to see it. (Note all the use full white antifa idiots hastening their very own demise). For the rest of us American patriots, white, brown, yellow, red, we see very clearly what's happening, and the leash is very short and becoming shorter everyday.


All it's going to take is some useful idiot on the right or the left to spark it, and boom, it will all blow up.


Tim-
 
I am not threatening you at all only explaining that the direction you are heading is not the right one. There is no war on white people and the groups claim that myth are full of bad people preaching violence and hatred. Unfortunately all your attempts to appear moderate and reasonable are negated by that one glaring idiocy. The color of ones skin has nothing to do with anything. It is only pigment. America has room for all levels of pigment.

In the course of my lifetime I have had to fight political battles, court-room battles and PR battles in non-profit organizations that you cannot begin to fathom. Having survived a case wherein the government tried to use the so - called "Patriot Act" against me and other cases equally dangerous, I know what direction to go in when threatened.

The liberals keep saying there is no such thing as race, but they cannot get over the past and they recognize a concept called race when they want something. Earlier this morning on the news, I saw a woman giving her spiel in front of the SCLC headquarters (MLK's old Political Action Committee) and giving a long harangue about how she felt threatened by Confederate flags, symbols, etc. And, while they don't say it, many (perhaps most) black people won't like the American flag once they are down to nothing left to complain about. For it was the American flag that flew over the White House when the Dred Scott v. Sanford case and many like it became a part of our legal landscape. Once they have obliterated our monuments, statues, memorials; once they have changed the names of the streets and schools to make sure our history is gone; when our currency no longer bears the images of white people, they will need something else to hate.

I never phrase my culture in terms of race only, but the reality is, race is a part of your DNA. A forensic anthropologist can take just a skull, rebuild the features down the the approximate color that person was in real life. So, no matter how many semantics are used, there is a concept of race - whether we fully understand it or not and whether or not we like it.

You want to jump from my having a concern about the future of the posterity of this country to accusations of hate, violence, bigotry, racism, etc. If you care about your past, then you should let it go and let the NEW WORLD ORDER come. And if I notice that I'm being judged by my race and my whether or not I'm willing to deep six my cultural heritage, then people like you will make irresponsible and dishonest allegations. I've seen it all before. And your words mean about as much to me as the guy who would have told blacks that once they were brought into this country, they could forget their names, their past, and any reminders of their culture.

I heard what the politicians said. I can read between the lines. My problems are more about what they said rather than what any political or social organization says. The only future they believe I am entitled to is the one where I must destroy all vestiges of my past. It's never been right at any point in history and it isn't right today. For me, the answer may not be to run out and join the guys wearing swastikas, but it won't be burying my country's past as if we should live in shame for being part of the posterity of our founding fathers that created what was once the greatest nation in the annals of history.
 
So too are Reagan era Liberals... Just pointing it out for clarity.

I take your well reasoned responses in this thread to confirm what I've been saying for over a year now. Identity politics, and propagated by a largely liberal progressive media is going to force people to take sides eventually. Normal, mind their own business folks such as myself see this happening right in front of them, and we don't like it one bit, and, as you say, this dude is not about to roll over. The MSM have it in their mind that they can shame normal, rational white folks into somehow accepting the idea that everything ill that has happened to America in the last 150 years is all their fault; patronizingly admonishing us evil doers tantamount to the effectiveness of guilting a child who stole the warm cookies into coughing up the goods. Newsflash to MSM, SJW, and antifa.. Human nature DOES NOT work that way. No, Sir. What happens is well reasoned and rational hard working folks tend to react very differently when they feel cornered, similar to what wild animals do. There are innate and intrinsic traits that are hard wired into our DNA that preserve our desire for life, and nitpicking or nudging it away slowly but surely, only works for those not reasoned and rational enough not to see it. (Note all the use full white antifa idiots hastening their very own demise). For the rest of us American patriots, white, brown, yellow, red, we see very clearly what's happening, and the leash is very short and becoming shorter everyday.


All it's going to take is some useful idiot on the right or the left to spark it, and boom, it will all blow up.


Tim-

I agree with what you're saying. In my mind, someone needs to stand up. There were / are fine people among the protesters in Charlottesville. Their basic problem is that they are being led by the wrong leadership. Too many times the worst option is their first option. Today, whether we like the hotheads getting the media attention or the dim bulbs running around with a uniform sporting both nazi and KKK patches on them or whether we don't like them, if our skin color is too close to theirs, unless we are all the way left of center, we will be targeted.

In my view, more people are going to have to stand up and make it plain: there will be NO destruction of America's past. To those who are using the worst option first, it should be noted that they are LOSING. In this round, the monuments have started coming down. Confrontation is not the best option here. The name calling is not going to resolve anything. Politicians wanting us to pick sides is the wrong thing to do. For me, the choice boils down to standing up or allow the bottom of the barrel among us be my spokesman, by default. If we don't stand up and speak out, the masses will presume the current protest movement is indicative of all the people who cast a vote for Trump.
 
I agree with what you're saying. In my mind, someone needs to stand up. There were / are fine people among the protesters in Charlottesville. Their basic problem is that they are being led by the wrong leadership. Too many times the worst option is their first option. Today, whether we like the hotheads getting the media attention or the dim bulbs running around with a uniform sporting both nazi and KKK patches on them or whether we don't like them, if our skin color is too close to theirs, unless we are all the way left of center, we will be targeted.

In my view, more people are going to have to stand up and make it plain: there will be NO destruction of America's past. To those who are using the worst option first, it should be noted that they are LOSING. In this round, the monuments have started coming down. Confrontation is not the best option here. The name calling is not going to resolve anything. Politicians wanting us to pick sides is the wrong thing to do. For me, the choice boils down to standing up or allow the bottom of the barrel among us be my spokesman, by default. If we don't stand up and speak out, the masses will presume the current protest movement is indicative of all the people who cast a vote for Trump.

Were there good people among the dozens wielding torches on Friday night chanting "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us"?
 
Obviously much of his base only cares about race, and nothing else Trump says or does will matter to them. As long as he spews BS about the 'Wall', and hate about Mexicans and Muslims, they'll be happy.

BUT there's many who voted for him who are not racists, and they knew Trump's track record. He was a Dem, he was in the Reform party, now he's a Republican, he was this, he was that. He goes with which way the wind is blowing. They knew this, yet they still voted for hom.

They got conned. Now they maybe paying the price.

Many were conned. Many wanted to be conned - they wanted to believe.

But many (many) simply couldn't vote for Hillary, and saw him as the alternative. When getting asked whether they'd take a shotgun blast to the face or cancer, many pulled the lever for cancer, hoping the delay would give time for a cure.
 
Were there good people among the dozens wielding torches on Friday night chanting "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us"?

Most likely there were. When gays march in civil rights marches in support of black people, do you really believe that all blacks support gay marriage? It's the same political game.
 
Most likely there were. When gays march in civil rights marches in support of black people, do you really believe that all blacks support gay marriage? It's the same political game.

I'm not seeing how your apples have a chance to turn into oranges here.

Gays marching for black civil rights--->good people marching with nazis.

You may have to explain that one a wee bit more.
 
Many were conned. Many wanted to be conned - they wanted to believe.

But many (many) simply couldn't vote for Hillary, and saw him as the alternative. When getting asked whether they'd take a shotgun blast to the face or cancer, many pulled the lever for cancer, hoping the delay would give time for a cure.

Why? If you don't want a shotgun blast to the face or cancer, why pick one? It's not like you had to vote for one or the other.

I simply voted for neither. It may have done no good (not that one vote ever does) but at least I didn't vote "yes" to a scumbag.
 
I'm not seeing how your apples have a chance to turn into oranges here.

Gays marching for black civil rights--->good people marching with nazis.

You may have to explain that one a wee bit more.

There is nothing to explain. There are black Christians that believe homosexuality to be a sin. While they deplore the sin, they do not allow that to get in the way of treating people they believe to be sinners as if they're animals.

I don't really understand why nazis are at a protest that was supposed to be about preserving Confederate monuments and statues, but to some extremists, the nazis learned from the left - never let a good crisis go to waste.

There is a lot of prejudice brewing against whites - some of their own doing and what they need right now are people with better ideas and a changing of the guard.
 
There is nothing to explain. There are black Christians that believe homosexuality to be a sin. While they deplore the sin, they do not allow that to get in the way of treating people they believe to be sinners as if they're animals.

I don't really understand why nazis are at a protest that was supposed to be about preserving Confederate monuments and statues, but to some extremists, the nazis learned from the left - never let a good crisis go to waste.

There is a lot of prejudice brewing against whites - some of their own doing and what they need right now are people with better ideas and a changing of the guard.
Maybe if those whites weren't marching with Nazis or making excuses for them people would not be going, "Oh ****. What the hell is wrong with Whites today?"
 
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