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Trump Is Destroying Conservatism

NeverTrumpers are doing the same thing the left does, and Jaime Weinstein typifies that in the article. And that is: Americans too stupid to figure out the difference.
I thought people who identify with conservatism would never join forces with leftists in the manner in which they have against DJT.
fwiw, it's not that humans are stupid, it's that we're too busy and too little impact for it to be worth our trouble of truly understanding every issue which confronts the country.

The likelihood of anyone of making a genuine impact based on our understanding is all but nil.
So, how much effort should you be willing to put forth for no payoff?
That's how much effort most of us put into being informed—an amount proportional to the impact we're likely to make.

It's just human nature, not stupidity.
imho

rational irrationality
 
Nobody is advocating the "subtle genocide of whites." That's utter nonsense; a lie propagated by white supremacist and Nazi asshats to justify their hateful views.

And what you just said is a lie. Let me put it to you like this:

I have never advanced myself at the expense of another human being. There wasn't a swinging Richard on the face of this earth that propagated what I wrote except me. I didn't attend their rallies; didn't read their literature; don't even have conversations with those who are in those organizations.

I have been attacked by the anti-immigrant side of the coin on these discussion boards. I have told most people on the boards that the anti-immigrant build a wall, deport the immigrants was a neo-nazi idea and I have proven it! It's not a right wing idea nor a racist agenda... it was pioneered by neo-nazis. I'm not a part of their organization.

Those who make these outrageous claims that any white person that stands against the unfair characterizations of our race is a white supremacist, etc. is outright LYING.
 
All the above. We have a low birth rate because family values are attacked. The most likely place you see family values attacked are in the churches, which are held to certain standards - such as, do it the government's way or lose your non-profit corporate status. Case in point:

During my lifetime, one church was told by the government to change their policy on inter-racial dating on campus or lose their non-profit status. Boy was I confused! If we have a separation of church and state, why is the government taxing a church in the first place and then if they let them skate on the taxes, how is it the government should dictate the beliefs that church has?

Interracial marriage dilutes the white race and black genes are more dominant over white genes, so their offspring is generally seen as the race of the darker parent - like Barack Obama.

With immigration, the whites do that one to themselves. We will acquire about 780,000 new citizens this year. The bulk will be non-white. The white racists have been conned into believing the only way you should come to America is if you're seeking citizenship. I'm for allowing people to come here and not be forced into citizenship.

Here is a list of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by Muslims:

BIG LIST of Muslim terror attacks in U.S. since 9/11

There is no point trying to tell me there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. Mainstream America had a problem with Donald Trump when he said that some of the Charlottesville protesters were "fine people." No, the masses want to believe they are all neo nazi, hate filled bigots. With that attitude, whites have to be realistic.

If any white believes that the norm is mom, dad, three kids, and a house in the 'burbs, they are vilified. If you are not a gay couple with adopted children and at least two races involved, you are perceived as being abnormal. That is a fact and a look at most tv shows demonstrates what Hollywood sells as being the new norm.

Churches are under assault as well as the family unit. The government is taking down the statues, monuments and memorials so as to erase the history of the white people. The government is changing the names of streets, roads, schools and government buildings to eliminate any mention of the white heroes and leaders of our past. They are taking the faces of whites off the currency.

The government is feeding the white people legal (sic) drugs like SSRIs to keep them docile and unable to fight back.

That deal with the political propaganda prostitutes saying that whites are no longer welcome in America; that they are racists, hatemongers, and neo nazis; that they don't want our votes was a not so subtle signal and maybe we should look at the genocidal war being waged. I've never advanced myself at the expense of any other person. But, I'm for protecting, advancing and preserving my race and culture, just like any other race or culture. I sat on my backside long enough. The RINOs woke me up.

If black genes are more dominant than white genes then white genes sre inferior and SHOULD be replaced.

Simple evolutionary biology.

Damn, racists are stupid!
 
If black genes are more dominant than white genes then white genes sre inferior and SHOULD be replaced.

Simple evolutionary biology.

Damn, racists are stupid!


Thank you for proving my point. Racism works both ways.
 
Well, when it comes to racial genetics, we do have to look at the bigger picture. And, I do mean the bigger picture.

First and foremost, "white" is a genetic mutation unique to Northern Europeans, which came about due to a vitamin D deficiency among darker skinned offspring in Northern climates. It is not the statistically dominant race of human beings, nor is it the normal variant thereof. Only a small number of all people are "white" because only a small number of us have this mutation, and it rapidly gets bred out, as you mentioned. So, that "whites" are being crowded out, as it were, is not a surprise.

Now....here's the part I don't get. Why should it matter if whites stay white? I mean, wtf? Who really cares what color humans are?

It's not only the hue, it's the culture that is being attacked, but we all know that race is a factor.
 
I thought people who identify with conservatism would never join forces with leftists in the manner in which they have against DJT.

Maybe, just maybe it's Trump. He's pissing off everyone but the Nazis and White Supremacists. If that's all he has left on his side, then that doesn't say much for Trump. Does it?
 
If black genes are more dominant than white genes then white genes sre inferior and SHOULD be replaced.
Simple evolutionary biology.
Damn, racists are stupid!

The thing is...

Even if we were to buy into the idea of genetic "races", we have no idea what humans will face in the future.
We are not fit arbiters of what genetic material needs preservation and what does not.
There will be unexpected viruses, and unforeseen physical conditions humans will need to survive in the future.
Currently available genetic material may contain the optimal outcomes for these wild card, future occurrences

Imho, we should continue to let Nature work her magic—make babies with whatever willing partner you are attracted to.

We aren't smart enough to do a better job.
 
Oh noes!!1!

Your lab is breeding with my golden retriever!!!

Its "subtle genocide of labs"!!!

God damn, racists are stupid...

I was certainly trying to be more polite in my repsonses. But...yeah. Something like that.
 
I'm seeing more and more people on the Right say this. Clearly, IMO, this was self-evident long before the Cheeto took office. But, I understand the concept of being slow to learn hard lessons. Been there, done that.



Trump was never "conservative." We all knew it. Some conservatives maybe held their nose and got the SCOTUS judge they wanted. But, at what price?


At that price.

I'm fairly certain that if William F. Buckley, Jr., were alive today, that he would be horrified about Trump and would be one of his most vocal critics. Buckley turned his back on anti-Semitism and racism, and supported free-trade, and would not have supported either Trump's racist policies or his anti-free-trade policies. Before Buckley came along and founded the modern conservative movement, the right was largely a movement marked by thugs. What we are seeing now is the right returning to its pre-Buckley behavioral state.

The conservative movement, however, has always had a love-affair with racism and anti-Semitism. Look how close the Holocaust-denier, Pat Buchanan came to winning the GOP nomination for president? GOP state leadership were discovered marching in an Arizona neo-Nazi parade. Look at the GOP's dog-whistle politics, which was mastered by Nixon and Reagan, and was rampant at the GOP convention in 2016.

Bottom line: The current GOP is now a racist party that hates free-speech, free-trade, and is fast approaching a socialist workers' party from Germany's 1930s past. Screw the GOP.
 
I'm fairly certain that if William F. Buckley, Jr., were alive today, that he would be horrified about Trump and would be one of his most vocal critics. Buckley turned his back on anti-Semitism and racism, and supported free-trade, and would not have supported either Trump's racist policies or his anti-free-trade policies. Before Buckley came along and founded the modern conservative movement, the right was largely a movement marked by thugs. What we are seeing now is the right returning to its pre-Buckley behavioral state.
The conservative movement, however, has always had a love-affair with racism and anti-Semitism. Look how close the Holocaust-denier, Pat Buchanan came to winning the GOP nomination for president? GOP state leadership were discovered marching in an Arizona neo-Nazi parade. Look at the GOP's dog-whistle politics, which was mastered by Nixon and Reagan, and was rampant at the GOP convention in 2016.
Bottom line: The current GOP is now a racist party that hates free-speech, free-trade, and is fast approaching a socialist workers' party from Germany's 1930s past. Screw the GOP.

Good God!
Bill Buckley jr would be labeled a liberal by the idiotic conservative market segment we have today.

He wrote some great stuff.
Stuff that the modern "conservatives" cannot stomach.
He was too much of a Realist for these modern pansy ****s.
Imho anyway.


I met him once in the late eighties. Mostly I just remember that he was three hours late and did not comb the back of his head.
He looked very together from the from the front.
 
Nobody is advocating the "subtle genocide of whites." That's utter nonsense; a lie propagated by white supremacist and Nazi asshats to justify their hateful views.

One notices that when people are out of any rational argument, they have to resort to emotion-based absurdities and hyperbole to deflect attention from that fact.

Sad, really, but quite predictable.
 
Conservatism will always lose in the long run because Tradition is not a valid argument.

Tradition is not an argument at all.

Part of conservatism is conserving the existing, functional values and institutions.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel every generation.
There was wisdom among our elders.
We should adapt as needed, but let's not throw away the good with the obsolete.

Besides, most every bold "re-imagining" of society has been pretty lame [or overtly genocidal].
 
Maybe, just maybe it's Trump. He's pissing off everyone but the Nazis and White Supremacists. If that's all he has left on his side, then that doesn't say much for Trump. Does it?

DamnYankee would rather join arms with Nazis than ever agree with a liberal on anything. This is what 25 years of Rush Limbaugh railing about how evil liberals are for three hours a day does to his followers.
 
It's not only the hue, it's the culture that is being attacked, but we all know that race is a factor.

"White" culture is a completely different animal. And, what exactly that is can sometimes not be so pretty. Killing off native Americans, for example, not so nice. Killing off Australian aboriginals or trying to enslave half of India and China, also not something to be proud of, to say the least. Protestant work ethic? Yeah, sure. Maybe. But, ya know what? If PWE is really all that, then China and Mexico would not be kicking our ass on that front. Would they?

I've worked with Asians in factories located in Asia and Mexicans in Mexico. Americans won't do what they do. White, Black, it don't matter what color the born American worker is or where he is from. They just won't do that, not even close. I don't think they can. We are too ADD.

There is a reason Mexicans pick melons in the heat and "whites" do not. Whites cannot. They die in the heat. They burn. They dehydrate. They simply can't do it. That's also why they brought Africans in to pick cotton. Can't get results like that from Irishmen. In short, "whites" are not very hardy.

In truth, whites had a good run at conquering for a short time. They are not as good at it as were Mongols. But, their aggression combined with with ingenuity in the applied sciences, as seen in Romans and more recently the N Europeans, has given us a huge edge for a few hundred years. I doubt it would last, even if the Nazi types had their way and began subjugating the People of Color. Not that they even could, IMO. The numbers are not there--just ask the Third Reich.
 
Tradition is not an argument at all.

Part of conservatism is conserving the existing, functional values and institutions.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel every generation.
There was wisdom among our elders.
We should adapt as needed, but let's not throw away the good with the obsolete.

Besides, most every bold "re-imagining" of society has been pretty lame [or overtly genocidal].

Yep. That is my take on true conservatism: adapt but do not throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
Maybe, just maybe it's Trump. He's pissing off everyone but the Nazis and White Supremacists. If that's all he has left on his side, then that doesn't say much for Trump. Does it?

DJT denounced all parties to Charlottesville and I think that what pisses off the left and NeverTrumpers.
 
Tradition is not an argument at all.

Part of conservatism is conserving the existing, functional values and institutions.
Exactly.....Tradition. Whether those functional values and institutions are actually good, make sense, or whether something better comes along is irrelevant to you. You just want to keep things the same because it's what you're used to, and you understand it. That's a bad argument.
 
He's a conman, who apparently harbors many racist thoughts and ideas.

I very much doubt he gives the slightest damn about race beyond banalities.
 
Really? In which way are you thinking of?

birtherism for starters ..... flirting with the racism angle ...... anti-immigrant ..... open disdain for government and government officials .....
 
I very much doubt he gives the slightest damn about race beyond banalities.

lol...so then you agree he is only playing the racists for votes. Makes you wonder who else he's been playing...doesn't it?
 
Good God!
Bill Buckley jr would be labeled a liberal by the idiotic conservative market segment we have today.

He wrote some great stuff.
Stuff that the modern "conservatives" cannot stomach.
He was too much of a Realist for these modern pansy ****s.
Imho anyway.


I met him once in the late eighties. Mostly I just remember that he was three hours late and did not comb the back of his head.
He looked very together from the from the front.

Whether one hates Buckley or likes him, I think one has to admit that he brought a civilized level of discourse to the table that no one is capable of doing these days. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News? Bill Maher? These are all low-hanging fruit shows that never rise to the level of Buckley's Firing Line. I really believe that we are in such bad shape politically these days because we have lost our way and are presently incapable of engaging in civilized, rational debate on issues, without sinking to the level of a playground fist-fight. Regardless of one's specific set of political beliefs, we should all agree that one is required to articulate a rationally coherent argument to defend one's political position, and leave the juvenile antics to the children.
 
DamnYankee would rather join arms with Nazis than ever agree with a liberal on anything. This is what 25 years of Rush Limbaugh railing about how evil liberals are for three hours a day does to his followers.

Not to mention Rush Limbaugh screens his callers, because he admits he cannot debate well. Not to mention, Rush has told his audience for decades to stop listening to scientists about science, and trust him, a man with no science background of any kind on science issues. Not to mention the rabid racism that slips out here and there.

Rush is for idiots, not seriously minded people.
 
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