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Trump Is Destroying Conservatism

Why? If you don't want a shotgun blast to the face or cancer, why pick one? It's not like you had to vote for one or the other.

I simply voted for neither. It may have done no good (not that one vote ever does) but at least I didn't vote "yes" to a scumbag.

I voted for McMullin. But I understand the people who thought they only had two actual options.

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Maybe if those whites weren't marching with Nazis or making excuses for them people would not be going, "Oh ****. What the hell is wrong with Whites today?"
Change that to "blacks" and "BLM", and tell me what you think of your logic.

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Most likely there were. When gays march in civil rights marches in support of black people, do you really believe that all blacks support gay marriage? It's the same political game.

More false equivalency. Nazi's and white supremacists are not in any "game" and anyone that would march with them is no better than them. We will never equate "normal" with those groups. Decent people shun them like the plague.
 
Change that to "blacks" and "BLM", and tell me what you think of your logic.

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And again "false equivalency" is the phrase of the day....and again you surprise me with your ignorance.
 
In the course of my lifetime I have had to fight political battles, court-room battles and PR battles in non-profit organizations that you cannot begin to fathom. Having survived a case wherein the government tried to use the so - called "Patriot Act" against me and other cases equally dangerous, I know what direction to go in when threatened.

The liberals keep saying there is no such thing as race, but they cannot get over the past and they recognize a concept called race when they want something. Earlier this morning on the news, I saw a woman giving her spiel in front of the SCLC headquarters (MLK's old Political Action Committee) and giving a long harangue about how she felt threatened by Confederate flags, symbols, etc. And, while they don't say it, many (perhaps most) black people won't like the American flag once they are down to nothing left to complain about. For it was the American flag that flew over the White House when the Dred Scott v. Sanford case and many like it became a part of our legal landscape. Once they have obliterated our monuments, statues, memorials; once they have changed the names of the streets and schools to make sure our history is gone; when our currency no longer bears the images of white people, they will need something else to hate.

I never phrase my culture in terms of race only, but the reality is, race is a part of your DNA. A forensic anthropologist can take just a skull, rebuild the features down the the approximate color that person was in real life. So, no matter how many semantics are used, there is a concept of race - whether we fully understand it or not and whether or not we like it.

You want to jump from my having a concern about the future of the posterity of this country to accusations of hate, violence, bigotry, racism, etc. If you care about your past, then you should let it go and let the NEW WORLD ORDER come. And if I notice that I'm being judged by my race and my whether or not I'm willing to deep six my cultural heritage, then people like you will make irresponsible and dishonest allegations. I've seen it all before. And your words mean about as much to me as the guy who would have told blacks that once they were brought into this country, they could forget their names, their past, and any reminders of their culture.

I heard what the politicians said. I can read between the lines. My problems are more about what they said rather than what any political or social organization says. The only future they believe I am entitled to is the one where I must destroy all vestiges of my past. It's never been right at any point in history and it isn't right today. For me, the answer may not be to run out and join the guys wearing swastikas, but it won't be burying my country's past as if we should live in shame for being part of the posterity of our founding fathers that created what was once the greatest nation in the annals of history.

I assume that his "past" you are worried about burying is the treasonist past of the CSA. Why are you obsessed with such a costly and avoidable failure like the Confederacy? No war in U.S. history was so inane and the pig-headed fools that sent all those men into battle to die for a losing cause should only be remembered in infamy. I'm sorry for being so blunt but it has been over 150 years and it high time you all got over it.
 
I love "I hate Trump" bait threads, where Liberals like to announce their superiority and tell everyone they know what's best for them.

I can't help but ask: if Liberals know everything, like they claim, how did President Trump get elected, to begin with?

1. The Dems got cocky and took for granted a certain bloc of voters to their sorrow.
2. Trump was able to seize the opportunity and by smooth talking exploited it to the hilt.
 
Maybe if those whites weren't marching with Nazis or making excuses for them people would not be going, "Oh ****. What the hell is wrong with Whites today?"

There is nothing wrong with whites. There is something wrong with people who expect their fellow man to walk lockstep with everything they believe when NOBODY lives their life like that.

A good example is the point that I bring up continually that there are plenty of black Christians that will protest in almost any march to advance people's rights while they don't believe in homosexuality.

Second to that, many of the kids in those marches don't have a freaking clue what being a nazi entails. The guilt by association isn't going to work for you. I think it's a hand that has played itself out in this instance. What you'd like to do is divide and conquer the white organizations. The downside is, they've caught on.
 
More false equivalency. Nazi's and white supremacists are not in any "game" and anyone that would march with them is no better than them. We will never equate "normal" with those groups. Decent people shun them like the plague.

Politics is a game. You're even playing the game. You are using this forum to lobby for a guilt by association / divide and conquer technique to con whites into not temporarily joining forces in order to lobby for something that is in their best common interest.

Nobody lives their life like that. I've used the example in a lot of threads here of how black Christians will work with any civil rights groups and protest in marches that include gays when the black Christians do not believe in homosexuality. Isn't there an old adage that says you can't legislate morality?

I think if you were in a wreck and a nazi gave you mouth to mouth resuscitation and saved your life, your family would thank the guy rather than to worry about his nazi affiliations. When the white people perceive (and rightly so) that their culture, heritage and their way of life is being threatened, they are not concerned with the points of difference with other whites. They care about surviving.
 
1. The Dems got cocky and took for granted a certain bloc of voters to their sorrow.
2. Trump was able to seize the opportunity and by smooth talking exploited it to the hilt.

The Democrats doubled down since they lost.
 
I assume that his "past" you are worried about burying is the treasonist past of the CSA. Why are you obsessed with such a costly and avoidable failure like the Confederacy? No war in U.S. history was so inane and the pig-headed fools that sent all those men into battle to die for a losing cause should only be remembered in infamy. I'm sorry for being so blunt but it has been over 150 years and it high time you all got over it.

I'm not any kind of authority on that era; I have never looked into whether or not any family members were involved. Win, lose or draw - it is not that relevant.

There are a host of other, seemingly unrelated events, that reek of genocide against the whites once you tally all the events taking place. Bear in mind that when the Boston Tea Party took place, the tax was actually quite negligible. It was the principle of the thing that inspired the action.

A few weeks ago, I was chiding the right over their support of Trump's immigration agenda. His nutty wall idea IS a nazi inspired solution. There is an immigration issue, but it can be fixed without increasing the size, power and scope of government. But, they wouldn't hear of it. So, where I broke ranks with the right is that I have never advanced myself at the expense of another human being. I'm not going to punish an employer for picking the employee of his choice nor would I break up families just because a parent doesn't have human registration papers. So, I was out of the fight.

Then the liberals wanted to take down the statues, monuments, and memorials. That made me think. There are efforts to change road and street signs bearing the names of white people; school names are being changed; the faces of white people are going to be taken off our currency.

In the course of my life, I watched as the liberals were able to remove displays of the Ten Commandments from public property and then nativity scenes. The argument was a separation of church and state issue (supposedly you can't legislate morality.) The churches have been attacked, the government telling them to change their religious beliefs or risk losing their non-profit status. The family unit is constantly under attack in favor of gay marriage and, for lack of a more descriptive term non-marital unions.

Whites have disagreed with that stuff for years and you have to bear in mind America was founded by white people with Christian values. Yet they have put up with everything I discussed, drawing their line in the sand with the immigration issue because the government is deliberately flooding the country with foreigners in an effort to drive out the posterity of the founding fathers.

For me personally, I listened to a black woman a couple of days ago in a rant about how bad she felt about Confederate symbols and so forth and it was a threat to her. I considered everything I just told you about. And then, I considered the fact that the American flag flew over the White House when the Dred Scott v Sanford decision went down. Once the current battles are over, the extremists will be after the flag - and then they will have nowhere else to go except after white people.

Then the political political propaganda prostitutes in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption said that there was no place for "those kind of people" and I knew, full well, what that is code for. Since I don't intimidate too easily, those words were like waving a flag at an angry bull. Know this: I've spent the bulk of my life defending people that I have NOTHING in common with - the latest was the 15 years spent defending undocumented foreigners. But, when the government tells me I'm not welcome here, then my response is words that are just bad enough to get me banned here because it would involve the politicians lips gracing a certain part of my anatomy. This time there needs to be a different leadership and a response that goes beyond the color of my skin.
 
Trump is a demolite allied to the alt right.

He and most of his followers are anything but Conservative.
 
And again "false equivalency" is the phrase of the day....and again you surprise me with your ignorance.

As I have pointed out to you, if there is a false equivalency there, it is that, recently, we've had a lot more violence out of BLM than out of the white supremacists.

Maybe if the liberals weren't marching with BLM or excusing them, folks would not have gone "Oh ****. What the hell is wrong with the left? I don't want to vote Trump, but this....."
 
As I have pointed out to you, if there is a false equivalency there, it is that, recently, we've had a lot more violence out of BLM than out of the white supremacists.

Maybe if the liberals weren't marching with BLM or excusing them, folks would not have gone "Oh ****. What the hell is wrong with the left? I don't want to vote Trump, but this....."

LOL Correct me if I am wrong but there were no members of BLM in the crowd at Charlottesville so your "point" is beyond ridiculous. And keeping those symbols of black oppression is how you want to deal with the "problem" of BLM? That means you should go march with the Nazi's too. You might as well.
 
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I'm seeing more and more people on the Right say this. Clearly, IMO, this was self-evident long before the Cheeto took office. But, I understand the concept of being slow to learn hard lessons. Been there, done that.



Trump was never "conservative." We all knew it. Some conservatives maybe held their nose and got the SCOTUS judge they wanted. But, at what price?


At that price.

He is not destroying conservatism. Most conservatives voted for jobs, borders, and a little more fiscal responsibility. Those values will not change because just because of Trump.
 
He is not destroying conservatism. Most conservatives voted for jobs, borders, and a little more fiscal responsibility. Those values will not change because just because of Trump.

I suspect they will not get any of thee three from Trump. He's just talk.
 
LOL Correct me if I am wrong but there were no members of BLM in the crowd at Charlottesville so your "point" is beyond ridiculous.

:shrug: I never claimed BLM was at Charlottesville, so I'm unsure what "point" you think I was making, or what "point" you are trying to make by ignoring the fact that their recent violence has been much higher (from gunning down cops to setting cities on fire) than the white supremacist idiots.

And keeping those symbols of black oppression is how you want to deal with the "problem" of BLM? That means you should go march with the Nazi's too. You might as well.

You want Trump to win re-election, don't you.
 
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