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500 "supremacists" estimated... and both sides engaged in violence...

Only one side committed an act of terrorism. It came from the side that supports genocide

False, both sides committed acts of terrorism.
 
Whites wanting a country for themselves is supremacy?

According to that logic, Japanese are supremacists. Jews are supremacists. Are you going to make that argument?

Does this great country look like the Middle East to you? Or some Pacific island off the coast of China? NO! This country takes great pride in being known as the melting pot of the world. This is not a "white" country, this is a country for all, freedom, and pursuit of happiness. What do we care what is happening in Israel or Japan?
 
I don't see anyone defending THEM, just their right to gather and protest. Their narrative and beliefs are appalling and disgusting, but they have a right to believe what they want. That is ALL that is being defended. If someone is defending their beliefs or actions, that's a different story. Just haven't seen it here.

Some states are already listing them as a terrorist organization...You would never see people defending members of ISIS to have their rights be protected to gather and protest...A terrorist group is terrorist group...
 
I do not defend their ideology, nor defend who they are. I defend the facts. It's a fact that their demonstration was legally permitted and the city neglected to provide proper security and oversight over both the alt-right demonstrators and antifa counter protesters. Both of these groups have repeatedly committed violence in the past. There is no defense necessary and if anyone in the media puts sole blame on the alt-right demonstrators, then they are sympathizing with the violent tactics used by antifa and left wing groups, and are ignoring the responsibility of the city in this specific issue.

If you want to blame the alt-right for being violent, that's absolutely accurate, and there is nothing to defend, but if you want to go a step further than that then facts must be stated. One cannot be against the nazis, and be for the violent tactics used by antifa and remain consistent.

So the right wing fascists somehow have less responsibility for their terrorism because the cops did not stop them?

That is a unique defense, counselor
 
Does this great country look like the Middle East to you? Or some Pacific island off the coast of China? NO! This country takes great pride in being known as the melting pot of the world. This is not a "white" country, this is a country for all, freedom, and pursuit of happiness. What do we care what is happening in Israel or Japan?

Whether or not the US should be the "melting pot" of the world is a different argument. What I'm saying is that white nationalism and white supremacy are distinct concepts.
 
Well, since it is only a little bit of terrorism, it is OK to let it slide.

If anyone has evidence that an group, Nazi or otherwise, is preparing a terrorist attack then they should take action. Merely existing isn't an act of terror.

Members of various Christian groups have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all Christians in jail.

Members of various leftist groups have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all leftists in jail.

Members of certain Muslim sects have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all Muslims in jail.

Some kids with schizophrenia have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all schizophrenics in jail.

We don't have to let anything slide but we do need to be reasonable and measured in our response to groups we might disagree with.
 
If anyone has evidence that an group, Nazi or otherwise, is preparing a terrorist attack then they should take action. Merely existing isn't an act of terror.

Members of various Christian groups have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all Christians in jail.

Members of various leftist groups have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all leftists in jail.

Members of certain Muslim sects have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all Muslims in jail.

Some kids with schizophrenia have committed acts of terror. That doesn't mean that we should throw all schizophrenics in jail.

We don't have to let anything slide but we do need to be reasonable and measured in our response to groups we might disagree with.

Boy, that one sentence of mine really through you into such a tizzy that you are ranting about something no one has said or even merely implied.

And all in a futile attempt to distract from the fact that a right wing extremist committed an act of terrorism
 
So the right wing fascists somehow have less responsibility for their terrorism because the cops did not stop them?

That is a unique defense, counselor

Well, you've changed your accusation. Are you accusing them of having responsibility, or are you accusing them of having total responsibility? And it has little to do with cops, as much as it has to do with antifa also engaging in violence and provoking violence between the 2 parties.
 
Boy, that one sentence of mine really through you into such a tizzy that you are ranting about something no one has said or even merely implied.

And all in a futile attempt to distract from the fact that a right wing extremist committed an act of terrorism

A distraction? Not in the least. I simply addressed your post.
 
Well, you've changed your accusation. Are you accusing them of having responsibility, or are you accusing them of having total responsibility? And it has little to do with cops, as much as it has to do with antifa also engaging in violence and provoking violence between the 2 parties.

No one provoked the Nazis. They came wanting violence, and they loved it when they got some. That is why their leaders have described it as a success, one going so far as to say the Nazis would have have hard time topping it.

And they did initiate the violence. They marched to where they knew Antifa was, and attacked them.

And then, one of them committed an act of terrorism, which the Nazis think was a success.

So yeah, both the Nazis and Antifa engaged in violence. But only one side supports the most vicious forms of racism (including genocide) and engaged in terrorism.
 
Looks that way. Apparently anything that might be considered "implied" is also assumed to be correct if it casts me in a bad light.

You poor victim. Safe space ---->


Israel has a Jewish ethnostate. They believe in Jewish nationalism. Are they Jewish supremacists?

Horrible lies and twisting. Not everyone in Israel is Jewish ethnically let alone religiously. The state is not based on religion, it's a Western democracy. Jewish nationalism is wanting the existence of Israel, not nationalism as a political stance (that would be Israeli nationalism).

I'll rate that post a 9 on the stinker scale.
 
Horrible lies and twisting. Not everyone in Israel is Jewish ethnically let alone religiously. The state is not based on religion, it's a Western democracy. Jewish nationalism is wanting the existence of Israel, not nationalism as a political stance (that would be Israeli nationalism).

I'll rate that post a 9 on the stinker scale.

Let's look at their demographics. Jews are 75% of the population. Let's look at their immigration policies. Do they have a border wall? Yes. Do they take refugees? No. Who is allowed to immigrate to Israel? Only Jews. The Basic Laws of Israel state that it is a Jewish state.

So let's not be disingenuous. Israel engages in Jewish nationalism.
 
How is this a false equivalency? If white nationalists are necessarily white supremacists, then Jewish nationalists must also necessarily be Jewish supremacists.

No, not at all. I will note your refusal to understand the difference between a nation and it's diversity, and a political agenda.
 
No, not at all. I will note your refusal to understand the difference between a nation and it's diversity, and a political agenda.

Why is it not the same? You simply stating it doesn't make it so.
 
Why is it not the same? You simply stating it doesn't make it so.

Because, for one, the state of Israel is secular, not religious. Next.. there are Muslims that have been elected to office in Israel. That alone shows that it is a false equivalency.

On the there other hand, here are some pictures of the white nationalists marching in Charloteville

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Oh, and if you are saying 'both sides are the same', well, here is how the white natioanlists came to march

In camouflage, armed with guns.

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Because, for one, the state of Israel is secular, not religious.

Lol.

Next.. there are Muslims that have been elected to office in Israel. That alone shows that it is a false equivalency.

Because there are a significant amount of Arabs in the country. Now, does Israeli immigration policy allow for non-Jewish Arab immigration? No.

On the there other hand, here are some pictures of the white nationalists marching in Charloteville

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Oh, and if you are saying 'both sides are the same', well, here is how the white natioanlists came to march

In camouflage, armed with guns.

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Yeah, and antifa was so peaceful with baseball bats, mace, bricks, and makeshift flamethrowers.
 
Lol.



Because there are a significant amount of Arabs in the country. Now, does Israeli immigration policy allow for non-Jewish Arab immigration? No.



Yeah, and antifa was so peaceful with baseball bats, mace, bricks, and makeshift flamethrowers.

When dealing with people carrying guns.. well still bad, but it still is not the same. LIke I said, antifa isn't out to kill me. The neonazis decended on a black church,and went and changed antisemitic chants.
 
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