What Antifa did

SheWolf said:

I really can't take your posts seriously. The logic is that you don't put rival gang members in the same cell together for a reason. The cops should be ready for a neo nazi rally. They should have been prepared to negate violence. lol

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That is incorrect, and I believe you had responded with an almost identical post yesterday. The antifa side mhas been the instigator the entire time, the white supremecists have not, they do not have the numbers or the protection to even have a motive to do such.

So the coops should have been prepared to stop the violent far left anarchists from attacking white nationalists over their viewpoints, I agree, it is a free country if you want to support people being attacked for their views nazi germany requires a time machine and they would fully back violence over political affiliation.

Who's armed in this picture with clubs and shields?



They came to the park to engage in violence, they are as guilty as the white supremacists.

truthatallcost said:

Terrorist, not terrorists. Singular, not plural.

Secondly, Antifa members don't own cars because they work for minimum wage. They'd have to settle for crashing a 10 speed bicycle into a crowd :lol:

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As I have shown you before, Neo Nazi terrorism has been a scourge in Europe and the US for quite some time now.

This guy was merely the latest in a long line of thugs.

celticwar17 said:

It was... congrats you win, the biggest bad guy that day was the neo nazi terrorist... everyone else now is cleaned from their sins

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It's good you aren't trying to equate murder with punching someone because, you know, one is far worse than the other......you know that, right?

truthatallcost said:

Who's armed in this picture with clubs and shields?

They came to the park to engage in violence, they are as guilty as the white supremacists.

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If I decided that I was going to go to one of these protest rally's and saw that a bunch of white-trash hillbillies were armed better than the cops with asault rifles and body armor, well me I'd personally go home. But I can see exactly why the other side at least brought clubs and sticks. Kind of stupid against a bunch of rednecks with guns though. I suppose they just should've been completely passive like the civil rights protesters/marchers in the 60s in the south and let the rednecks intimidate and beat the **** out of em'.

Manc Skipper said:

Magic. The magic of education, and not reading biased sources.

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How about a source?

SheWolf said:

When you have freedom of speech and nazi marches, it's common sense violence will break out unless police officers intervene. And the fact is, people counter protesting nazis are not as bad as nazis.

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So common sense would tell you to stay away then, wouldn't it

EMNofSeattle said:

I love that term "they had weapons, we only had community defense tools"

I'm stealing that, from now on I'm referring to any weapons as a "community defense tool". The NRA should steal that term quick

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That made me literally laugh out loud..."community defense tools"! Can you get any more obviously bias?!

HenryChinaski said:

If I decided that I was going to go to one of these protest rally's and saw that a bunch of white-trash hillbillies were armed better than the cops with asault rifles and body armor, well me I'd personally go home. But I can see exactly why the other side at least brought clubs and sticks. Kind of stupid against a bunch of rednecks with guns though. I suppose they just should've been completely passive like the civil rights protesters/marchers in the 60s in the south and let the rednecks intimidate and beat the **** out of em'.

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Yeah, that sign just screams "I'm here peacefully"

beerftw said:

Antifa almost a;lways wears masks to hide their identity due to the fact they were there to commit crimes violence and terrorism, the same way the kkk in the past wore robes and masks, to hide their identity while they broke the law.

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Hearsay is it? Alt-right propaganda?

ModerateGOP said:

Different reports about what antifa did at the rallies. Any reports from named Nazis about how "peaceful" the Nazis were? Because these reports don't show any proof antifa were violent. Not at all.

What the “alt-left” was actually doing in Charlottesville.

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I'd agree with the clergy.

Let's keep in mind that one of the organizers of Unite the Right literally said "WE ARE NOT NON-VIOLENT. WE WILL KILL AS MANY OF THESE ****ING PEOPLE AS WE HAVE TO."

Frankly, Antifa was being relatively restrained, given the literal call to violence of the organizers. I don't think anyone is saying Antifa didn't throw punches. I don't even think anyone is saying that Antifa elsewhere hasn't been much worse than they were at Charlottesville. But look what was coming at them. Look who wound up bleeding. By and large, it wasn't the Nazis.

I mean, let's keep in mind the entire point of white supremacy is to rid the country of all POC either by murder or force of displacement. The stance itself is one of violence. Peacefulness and white supremacy are mutually exclusive.

OlNate said:

Glad I saw this, would definitely not want to leave you with crickets...hehe...

I can definitely denounce some of Antifa's methodology in past actions, I think they need to be a lot more disciplined and ensure that they don't create collateral damage in the process of standing against negative societal forces, but directly regarding their actions against the white supremacists, I don't...I think we should all be standing up to them. I'm not sure if that's a compromise that you're willing to accept, but that's the best I've got at the moment.

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Seems he appreciates your waffles.

beerftw said:

I would not be surprised if that was true, and it was a panick rather than terrorism, however it changes the motive but even if all court and police evidence shown such, he would be charged instead with involuntary manslaughter, IE even if he was shown no intent to kill anyone, his negligence which was avoidable caused a death.

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How about this, are the attackers with clubs guilty of murder? Because Virginia has the felony murder rule, which basically means that if you commit a violent felony and there is a death as a result you are guilty of murder. So if you are attacking someone with a club and in their panic to get away from you hit and kill someone is that not a felony resulting in a death?

Mycroft said:

Seems he appreciates your waffles.

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I make delicious waffles. Come on up, I'll let you try them.

OlNate said:

Cool, man, agree to disagree, I appreciate you being civil about it. As I said, I'm not entirely supportive of Antifa either, I think they've made a ton of mistakes and generally speaking I don't condone criminal behaviour. But I also don't care about what happens to Nazis. Here's hoping they retreat back into their holes as quickly as possible, and we won't have to hear about either faction. Have a good one.

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Trouble is, groups like this are filled with hate, just as the Nazi's are. When the Nazi's are gone, these people are still filled with hate that has to be expressed in some fashion. It's naive to think that their hate will be gone when the Nazi's are gone. It's like arming terrorists to fight terrorists. What happens after they succeed? We're still left with terrorists. Both groups should be condemned. It's quite hypocritical of the left to pounce on Trump for not denouncing the white supremacists while the left does not denounce the Antifa and, in fact, cheer them on.

Moderate Right said:

Trouble is, groups like this are filled with hate, just as the Nazi's are. When the Nazi's are gone, these people are still filled with hate that has to be expressed in some fashion. It's naive to think that their hate will be gone when the Nazi's are gone. It's like arming terrorists to fight terrorists. What happens after they succeed? We're still left with terrorists. Both groups should be condemned. It's quite hypocritical of the left to pounce on Trump for not denouncing the white supremacists while the left does not denounce the Antifa and, in fact, cheer them on.

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I think it's right and decent to hate Nazi's...but I've condemned Antifa's actions on other fronts, so I don't totally disagree with you. That might make me hypocritical, in the context of Nazi's vs. pretty much everyone else, I can own that. I also won't be losing any sleep over it either, if you know what I'm saying...hehe...

ModerateGOP said:

I know it's easy for the alt-right to twist everything but even that cherry-picking was embarrassing

1. Nazi not listening to chants of go home we don't want you here?

2. One guy armed with a stick.

3. One guy defending an old man against a horde of nazi cowards

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I'm going to be honest here since you've repeatedly shown no desire to. There's zero reason anyone should even bother to try and engage you in this "discussion", because you're not interested in a discussion nor are you interested in being honest, because the entire premise of this thread is built on a bed of bull****. You're entire premise and basis of your argument here is clearly built on two things:

1. Speech/action acknowledging support for Nazism is inherently violent and threatening to the point of assault
2. Anyone that was involved in the protest that contained individuals engaging in speech/action acknowledging support for Nazism are equally guilty of support for Nazism

Thus, without even needing to raise a single fist or take a single action, to you every single individual in the protest are actual assaulting folks and thus every counter protesters is just engaging in reasonable self defense. This is beyond obvious when you justify someone pepper spraying someone because they don't listen to a CHANT. This is obvious when you describe a picture of TWO PEOPLE attacking each other as one guy defending himself against a "horde". This is evident when you continually demand proof of the counter protesters having weapons, and then when given proof you change the goal posters and wave it off because the protesters had different weapons or were more threatening in your eyes.

You're not looking for an honest discussion, you're not looking for an honest answer, you're not looking for sources, you're just continuing to trumpet your anti-constitutional bull**** you've been spouting for days now in your own zeal for violence and denial of freedoms.

ModerateGOP said:

1. That's something I think needs to change in this country.

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I know, you feel we need to change the first amendment in this country in order to keep people from talking about how we need to change the first amendment...except you know, people like you, who should be free to talk about how we need to change the first amendment, but totally not okay for other people who talk about such things, because it's okay for you to talk about being violent and taking peoples rights away, but not okay for other people to talk about being violent and taking peoples rights away, because your talk is okay but their talk isn't, because reasons, despite in both cases we're just talking about speech.

holbritter said:

So common sense would tell you to stay away then, wouldn't it

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Why would common sense tell me to stay away? I used to live in Europe and seen neo Nazi marches before and with a lot more violence. For people and for families who survived Nazi terror, condemning them and counter protesting is a moral duty.

SheWolf said:

Why would common sense tell me to stay away? I used to live in Europe and seen neo Nazi marches before and with a lot more violence. For people and for families who survived Nazi terror, condemning them and counter protesting is a moral duty.

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Stormfront loves folks that think along those same lines! The SPLC explains why it's dumb to counter-protest.

The spectacles created by counterprotesters, says Lecia Brooks, the SPLC’s outreach director, only serve to embolden the speakers and allow them to portray themselves as victims.

"The best response is not to show up at all," Ms. Brooks said. "It is the better strategy."

That’s the same advice Teresa Sullivan, president of the University of Virginia, gave to the UVa community regarding a gathering of white-nationalists in Charlottesville, planned for this Saturday.

"To approach the rally and confront the activists would only satisfy their craving for spectacle," she wrote. "They believe that your counterprotest helps their cause."

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An Anti-Hate Group Has This Advice for When the Alt-Right Comes to Campus - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Napoleon said:

Is this serious? There is so much video footage and so many photographs of counterprotestors with weapons and engaging in violence it's shocking anyone would even attempt to deny it.

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Did you see the site he posted? slate.com is another liberal rag that is about as reliable as motherjones or dailykos.
they are just a brietbart of the liberal world.

OlNate said:

I think it's right and decent to hate Nazi's...but I've condemned Antifa's actions on other fronts, so I don't totally disagree with you. That might make me hypocritical, in the context of Nazi's vs. pretty much everyone else, I can own that. I also won't be losing any sleep over it either, if you know what I'm saying...hehe...

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That's just it. You guys lose sleep over white supremacists violence but you don't lose any sleep over the far left's violence. Violence is violence.

Moderate Right said:

That's just it. You guys lose sleep over white supremacists violence but you don't lose any sleep over the far left's violence. Violence is violence.

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In what context? I've spoken out plenty of times on this forum about bad behavior on the left, up to and including violence. The only time I've ever said I personally don't care about violence on the left is when it is in response to white supremacist / Nazi militants, as a reaction. I've been pretty specific, but I feel like you are using my posts to generalize. That's not an accurate interpretation of what I'm saying in any way.

Let me ask you this... If you found out that moderate Muslims discovered an Islamic terrorist cell, intent on using violence and intimidation to change the societal structure of America, bypassed the cops and beat the crap out of them, would you still say "violence is violence"?

Moderate Right said:

That's just it. You guys lose sleep over white supremacists violence but you don't lose any sleep over the far left's violence. Violence is violence.

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And let's take it one step further. Would you step up to provide security to ensure that a pro-ISIS rally on September 11th on American soil was not met with violence? Would you tolerate them laughing at the victims of the WTC bombing, calling them trash and garbage and celebrating their demise?

OlNate said:

And let's take it one step further. Would you step up to provide security to ensure that a pro-ISIS rally on September 11th on American soil was not met with violence? Would you tolerate them laughing at the victims of the WTC bombing, calling them trash and garbage and celebrating their demise?

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The only question that needs to be asked is whether or not you want mob rule. We can no longer claim to be a nation of equally protected civil liberties if we allow a mob to decide who can or cannot exercise them by bludgeoning people in the street.