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What Antifa did

Who is that little old dude with the giant flower coming out of his pants, that's what I want to know.

jimbo said:
The left has succeeded in turning this into a political victory far beyond any expectations. It's sad that one individual and one small group who no one supports has become the spokesperson for the entire right.
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No no. Not so fast.

Trump is the one who chose, trivially, to tie himself to it.
He could have similarly, easily, distanced himself entirely from it, as official after official did in their more appropriate condemnation of the events in VA.
Trump decided to dog-whistle to his supporters in the alt-right, and the call was heard, acknowledged, and appreciated.

The then tried to bandaid it with a clearly forced, teleprompter speech.

Then in true Trump-ian form, rather than talk about infrastructure in an infrastructure briefing, he doubled down on signalling his base.

I would say that Trump miscalculated and lost big as a result, but we both know Trump has no idea how to conduct political calculation of any meaningful sort. He just said what he felt, and is being crucified for his words, or lack therof.
 
trouble13 said:
I will join you in denouncing the nazis but will you join me in denouncing antifa?

Will my plea be met with crickets or condemnation?

Ball is in your court

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Glad I saw this, would definitely not want to leave you with crickets...hehe...

I can definitely denounce some of Antifa's methodology in past actions, I think they need to be a lot more disciplined and ensure that they don't create collateral damage in the process of standing against negative societal forces, but directly regarding their actions against the white supremacists, I don't...I think we should all be standing up to them. I'm not sure if that's a compromise that you're willing to accept, but that's the best I've got at the moment.
 
Crovax said:
Pictured: "community defense tool"

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Pictured. Outnumbered black man reacting to having a can of white paint being thrown at him by a racist marcher, returns it in a heated exchange.
Note the elderly nazi attempting to swat him with his heavy-duty "metal flagpole".
 
jimbo said:
I have no idea how each side was armed past what I saw in the vids and photos that have been posted. I saw no guns. I doubt you do either.
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I saw a lot of long guns
 
trouble13 said:
I will join you in denouncing the nazis but will you join me in denouncing antifa?

Will my plea be met with crickets or condemnation?

Ball is in your court

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How many Antifa were there? How do you tell them from ordinary antifascist citizens resisting Nazi racists?
 
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Pictured. Outnumbered black man reacting to having a can of white paint being thrown at him by a racist marcher, returns it in a heated exchange.
Note the elderly nazi attempting to swat him with his heavy-duty "metal flagpole".
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And you know this how?
 
ModerateGOP said:
Different reports about what antifa did at the rallies. Any reports from named Nazis about how "peaceful" the Nazis were? Because these reports don't show any proof antifa were violent. Not at all.



What the “alt-left” was actually doing in Charlottesville.
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Yeah, I saw that there were religious clergy there counter protesting. There were all kinds of counter protesters. It wasn't just antifa versus nazis. All nazis are deplorable simply because of their ideology. The counter protestors could have a few bad cookies, but the news reports are not suggesting they were equally as violent. Furthermore, protesting nazis and nazis marching is not morally equivalent. WTF.
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah, here's a slightly more thorough set of accounts from people who were there, and not just from one side of it.

Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say - Chicago Tribune

It's no surprise Dahlia Lithwick, being one of the most dishonest writers out there, chose only the witness accounts she liked (much like the OP).
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OK the worst thing I saw antifa do in the article was throw a brick and a newspaper stand at nazis. Oh yeah and beat them with sticks.
Of course the nazi sympathizers just made blanket statments about antifa terrorists. Hardly the torches, clubs, bats, and shields that the Nazis brought and the death that the Nazi caused! Not comparable.
 
When you have freedom of speech and nazi marches, it's common sense violence will break out unless police officers intervene. And the fact is, people counter protesting nazis are not as bad as nazis.
 
trouble13 said:
I will join you in denouncing the nazis but will you join me in denouncing antifa?

Will my plea be met with crickets or condemnation?

Ball is in your court

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I denounce Nazis, White Supremacists, and other alt-right extremists, and with the same fervor and conviction I denounce ANTIFA and the alt-left extremists. Both are populated with bad ideas and use bad tactics to promote their bad ideas. I find nothing redeemable about either of them.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

A similar dynamic between similar groups played out in the 1930's between the Red Shirts (Communists) and the Brown Shirts (Nazis) resulting not only in the Red Shirts loosing to the Brown Shirts, but also swinging the sentiment support of the electorate to law and order, which the Brown shirts promised them, hence, making the Brown Shirts even more popular with the electorate, antithetical to the Red Shirts stated goals.

I think Ben has it right on this one.

Shapiro At 'National Review': America Has Twin Cancers, Antifa And The Alt-Right

I further think the each group should be given their rights, and to exercise them, as legally required, but if either steps one toe over the line, even the slightest minuscule legal infraction the perpetrators need to be arrested, charged, held without bail, and tried.

A civilized society has no use for either of them, and has no need for a repeat of WW II.
 
truthatallcost said:
1. Counterprotestor pepper spraying people

2. Armed with ax handles

3. And homemade flamethrowers
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I know it's easy for the alt-right to twist everything but even that cherry-picking was embarrassing

1. Nazi not listening to chants of go home we don't want you here?

2. One guy armed with a stick.

3. One guy defending an old man against a horde of nazi cowards
 
ModerateGOP said:
OK the worst thing I saw antifa do in the article was throw a brick and a newspaper stand at nazis. Oh yeah and beat them with sticks.
Of course the nazi sympathizers just made blanket statments about antifa terrorists. Hardly the torches, clubs, bats, and shields that the Nazis brought and the death that the Nazi caused! Not comparable.
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It's a far cry from the idyllic angels you were trying to present in your OP.
 
Harshaw said:
It's a far cry from the idyllic angels you were trying to present in your OP.
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Some isolated incidents of violence is not a stretch when you are defending people against already violent Nazis. There is no equivalency.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Some isolated incidents of violence is not a stretch when you are defending people against already violent Nazis. There is no equivalency.
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I didn't say there was equivalency, but you're trying to exonerate Antifa entirely.

You especially did it here:

ModerateGOP said:
I know it's easy for the alt-right to twist everything but even that cherry-picking was embarrassing

1. Nazi not listening to chants of go home we don't want you here?
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This is your description of a photo clearly showing a counter-protester pepper-spraying one of the protesters.

Simply put, as with everything you do here at DP, you see exactly what you want to see and will straight-up lie about anything which doesn't fit your preferences.

The Nazis suck. But Antifa are not heroes.
 
Harshaw said:
I didn't say there was equivalency, but you're trying to exonerate Antifa entirely.

You especially did it here:


The Nazis suck. But Antifa are not heroes.
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Again, it's ONE guy VS 100s of racist thugs and you are acting like everybody is pepper spraying nazis. NO ONE else is pepper spraying. I wish they were!
 
jimbo said:
I have no idea how each side was armed past what I saw in the vids and photos that have been posted. I saw no guns. I doubt you do either.
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If you watched the Vice video featuring bawler-in-chief Chris Cantwell, you saw some guns. I don't imagine you went that far out of your media bubble though.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Different reports about what antifa did at the rallies. Any reports from named Nazis about how "peaceful" the Nazis were? Because these reports don't show any proof antifa were violent. Not at all.



What the “alt-left” was actually doing in Charlottesville.
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I love that term "they had weapons, we only had community defense tools"

I'm stealing that, from now on I'm referring to any weapons as a "community defense tool". The NRA should steal that term quick
 
These protests must relieve stress. Punch a Nazi Punch an Antifa either way you can post how American you are for punching a fascist in the face Go Merika
 
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