• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

They're Coming For Mt. Rushmore

Ikari said:
Has any of this been considered at all yet, or are we just doing the Chicken Little thing?

Good ol' fear mongering, lol.
Click to expand...

The tearing down of statues is currently happening, yes.
 
vesper said:
Actually yesterday in NYC there was a leftist group protesting the statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the NYC Museum of History. They claim Roosevelt was a racist and want the statue torn down.

There was another call this morning in Chicago to remove a statue of George Washington for the same reason.

George and Theodore are both part of Mt. Rushmore. So where does it end?
Click to expand...

George Washington kept slaves, and TR was a bigot.
 
BillRM said:
You know I had always had a deep respect for Lee and some other confederate leaders and saw nothing wrong with honoring them with name places and even larger then life statues but now that the racists had move to protected those symbols and in so doing made them stand only for hate and bigotry and the idea of white supremacy I am for taking a sledge hammer to all of them.

Strangely knowing what a gentleman Lee happen to had been and how he was one of those that did his best to bring the nation back together after the war I feel that given everything he would likely had agree with me concerning the need for sledgehammers.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately Lee took up arms against his country for slavery. So, yes, I now think all of his statues ought to be removed from public and placed in a museum or some such. And if some get broken in the meantime, oh well.
 
Moderate Right said:
It was Sharpton who is the one who said he wanted the Jefferson Memorial removed from DC.
Click to expand...

I believe Sharpton was being interviewed by Charlie Rose either yesterday or the day before.
 
Vox said:
Don't forget all those libraries full of books to be burned.

:mrgreen:
Click to expand...

Volunteers can be gathered to remove these racist books from public libraries and placed in non-public funded private collections. The works of Mark Twain might as well be thrown in as well.
 
They're coming for Mount Rushmore? The Lakota people will be pleased!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
They're coming for Mount Rushmore? The Lakota people will be pleased!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...

Wouldn't they though? lol

Good point. The US Park Service ought to vacate and let the tribe dispose of it. It was carved out of a mountain that sits on sacred ground.
 
DamnYankee said:
The tearing down of statues is currently happening, yes.
Click to expand...

...yeah, not really what I was asking. Tearing down statues to the loser Confederacy is happening now. Not really the OP, now is it? "They're coming for Mount Rushmore" I believe is the title of this thread. Some good ol' fashioned fear mongering to suggest that other monuments of US heritage, not of rogue governments, are at stake. Yes?

Let me know when they really are going for Mount Rushmore

lol
 
Ikari said:
...yeah, not really what I was asking. Tearing down statues to the loser Confederacy is happening now. Not really the OP, now is it? "They're coming for Mount Rushmore" I believe is the title of this thread. Some good ol' fashioned fear mongering to suggest that other monuments of US heritage, not of rogue governments, are at stake. Yes?

Let me know when they really are going for Mount Rushmore

lol
Click to expand...

No problem. But it wasn't fear mongering. The Lakota Tribe has hated that blight on their land for decades. So when have you seen the left stop at anything? They normally keep pushing bit by bit. Now if you recall, first it was state flags that were unacceptable. Now it's statues, and I believe the left demanded and were successful in renaming "Lynch" elementary school in Oregon. So, keep your eyes on the news.

Hey, I'm on your side. But I think it all should be done, why stop? I mean the Democratic Party should be dissolved for its racist, bigoted beginnings.
 
Praxas said:
Did Jefferson take up arms against the United States to try and keep slavery? Your idiotic comments are just idiotic.
Click to expand...

Jefferson did try to keep slavery and succeeded, or at least voted to do so. Every signer of the Constitution did.
 
jimbo said:
Jefferson did try to keep slavery and succeeded, or at least voted to do so. Every signer of the Constitution did.
Click to expand...

Yes. Back in the day it was called compromise. The Founders who opposed slavery and didn't want it had to compromise with the Southern states who wanted it. So in order to form the Union, those opposed to slavery had to compromise with the South to get them on board.
 
DamnYankee said:
Any of the things I posted can be researched.

As I was about to include, I am beginning to understand the desire of those people who seek to remove these various statues. Slavery, bigotry, racism, are sins that we all need to purge from our country. And the removal of these statues, monuments, and memorials are a beginning in atoning for those sins. Why stop there though? Let’s remove any and all connections with our ugly past.

In essence, eradicate it all. All political parties, because the GOP is accused of racism, the Democratic Party because of their obvious connections to the aforementioned slavery, Jim Crow, etc. completely and totally destroy all mention of those fore fathers who said anything remotely bigoted, this includes any party they belonged to.

Would this be sufficient enough to belay our country’s disunity?
Click to expand...

An Iraqi seeing people tear down the statue of Saddam Hussein could make the same argument.

Removing confederate symbols is the issue. You're expanding it to create a straw man to argue against. When they want to remove Teddy Roosevelt or George Washington I'll stand with you against them. If they want Andrew Jackson, they can have him.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
An Iraqi seeing people tear down the statue of Saddam Hussein could make the same argument.

Removing confederate symbols is the issue. You're expanding it to create a straw man to argue against. When they want to remove Teddy Roosevelt or George Washington I'll stand with you against them. If they want Andrew Jackson, they can have him.
Click to expand...

Okay, deal. But this isn't a straw man argument. I'm sincere. I revised my opinion on the removal of these statues. I'm for destroying any and all connections with slavery, Jim Crow, etc. including both political parties and Andrew Jackson, the father of the modern Democratic Party.
 
Ikari said:
Has any of this been considered at all yet, or are we just doing the Chicken Little thing?

Good ol' fear mongering, lol.
Click to expand...

Not Rushmore as yet, but at one least gubernatorial candidate has announced she will take down Stone Mountain if elected, and at least two museums, the safe places for the statues and the flags, are being demonstrated against.

So no, it's not Chicken Little.
 
DamnYankee said:
Unfortunately Lee took up arms against his country for slavery. So, yes, I now think all of his statues ought to be removed from public and placed in a museum or some such. And if some get broken in the meantime, oh well.
Click to expand...

He took up arms not for slavery but to protect the state of VA and if his state had stray with the union he would likely had been the military commander of the northern armies.

It was not about slavery as far as he was concern it was his unwillingness to lift his sword against his home state.
 
BillRM said:
He took up arms not for slavery but to protect the state of VA and if his state had stray with the union he would likely had been the military commander of the northern armies.

It was not about slavery as far as he was concern it was his unwillingness to lift his sword against his home state.
Click to expand...

Cool. Remove his statues anyway. He fought for racists.
 
jimbo said:
Not Rushmore as yet, but at one least gubernatorial candidate has announced she will take down Stone Mountain if elected, and at least two museums, the safe places for the statues and the flags, are being demonstrated against.

So no, it's not Chicken Little.
Click to expand...

Not really, because on some level that's still loser Confederacy nonsense. I don't really care if they keep it or not, but it's still not the leap to Rushmore.

It is Chicken Little nonsense, it's just crap made to inflame the senses instead of call for calm and rational interaction.
 
DamnYankee said:
Yes. Back in the day it was called compromise. The Founders who opposed slavery and didn't want it had to compromise with the Southern states who wanted it. So in order to form the Union, those opposed to slavery had to compromise with the South to get them on board.
Click to expand...

Correct. Today compromise is a word not in popular usage. Even Johnson was a master at giving up what he had to to get what he wanted.
 
DamnYankee said:
Cool. Remove his statues anyway. He fought for racists.
Click to expand...

He fought for his family, friends and neighbors as his first and most important loyally was to his state not the nation and that was not all that uncommon in that era.
 
Ikari said:
Not really, because on some level that's still loser Confederacy nonsense. I don't really care if they keep it or not, but it's still not the leap to Rushmore.

It is Chicken Little nonsense, it's just crap made to inflame the senses instead of call for calm and rational interaction.
Click to expand...

You don't think the leap from Stone Mountain to Rushmore will be made?
 
DamnYankee said:
First it was flags. Remember that? People wanted to change certain flags of Southern states. Now it's statues and Stone Mountain. People want statues that were connected to the Confederacy torn down. Okay, so what's next?

Monticello? Mt. Vernon? Cemeteries of Confederate dead? Mt. Rushmore? Al Sharpton is calling for the removal of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC. is that a good idea?

All these things have something in common. All are connected to slavery, bigotry and racism. So, if we are to tear down these things, should we also disband the Democratic Party which gave us slavery, Jim Crow and, the Klan?

Kassam: They're Coming for Mount Rushmore, But They SHOULD Be Tearing Down the DemoKKKrat Party
Click to expand...

Confederate symbols are symbols of slavery.

Mount Rushmore does not symbolize slavery.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
The Democratic Party didn't give us slavery. To assert that it did is to admit to lying.

.
Click to expand...

Probably it's a reflection of simple ignorance, considering that a lie would get him nowhere.
 
jimbo said:
You don't think the leap from Stone Mountain to Rushmore will be made?
Click to expand...

I don't see why it would. Rushmore isn't a tribute to lose Confederates.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom