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Is it better to Ignore People like KKK and ANTI FA?

bubbabgone said:
That's hardly a political theory. That's a political reality.
I'm afraid our current media will decide what or who we are to condemn and what or who we are to value.
They don't report, they promote.
They've chosen sides.
More than ever before.
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Absolutely true Bubba.

There are strings being pulled to divide the US politically and culturally. There is an end game to that effort. The sides have been picked, and massive dollars are being invested to insure the hate and anger turn to chaos.

We need to stop responding to the effort.
 
Manc Skipper said:
On the contrary. There were nazi demonstrators on one side, and people who are unwilling to tolerate nazi marches on the other. The second group used to be called "normal".
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That "second group" has NEVER been called normal...until now. It seems we've undergone a change in leftist mentality from supporting simple protests to encouraging busting heads.
 
SDET said:
How does that make you any better than Nicholas Maduro or Raul Castro? You are advocating emulating them to crush them. That's ironic.
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The Alt Right were out emulating the Nazis, the fascists, the communists, etc., at VA, and modern American from Right to Left is telling you, "No, not in our country."

And in reply to Ludin, if the Alt Right gets violent, it will be crushed by the military and the LEO and its citizen neighbors.
 
ocean515 said:
Absolutely true Bubba.

There are strings being pulled to divide the US politically and culturally. There is an end game to that effort. The sides have been picked, and massive dollars are being invested to insure the hate and anger turn to chaos.

We need to stop responding to the effort.
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Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

:agree: The global elite have had an agenda for many years that includes bringing America into the New World Order, ie One World Government ruled by them. Using constant chaos which divides, not unites, people is just one means of achieving that goal. They have been very busy for a long time getting their supporters into positions of authority - judges, some lawmakers in DC, Governors of many States, educators that teach our children from first grade up through college, and other examples.

Then along came Trump, who appears to have a totally opposite agenda, and he won the election! Small wonder he is being savagely attacked on a daily basis, including the silly nonsense about how many scoops of ice cream he gets - they're p***ed! We are not dealing with nice people who want the best for us - they intend to have what they want, and they're willing to spend whatever amount of money it takes to achieve that!

I can only assume that things will continue to worsen as time goes on :eek: and that's not out of the realm of possibility, since their goal is total power over everyone on this planet!
 
blackjack50 said:
This is a political theory I have been working in since Trump got elected. When one of these groups starts getting traction...it always seems like that is because they get legitimized by the MSM. They get press. They get attention. And it seemed to me that when they were ignored...they were irrelevant. Politically they were in the abyss and it wasn't until we started looking into it...that they started coming up.

Do you think we could ignore them at this point and they would lose traction and go away? I don't think we WILL ignore them because Cui Bono says that there is too much to be gained by guilt by association. Or even false association.
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It is hard to ignore a group that commits the level of violence and destruction that antifa commits.

If the police would do their job it would be way less of an issue.
 
Deuce said:
I'm sure some people thought that in Germany too.

These people aren't out for attention. They want to recruit more members and take back their country. That's not a ****in catchphrase, these are literal ****ing Nazis.
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People didn't know what Nazis or the KKK were. Hell. They hadn't even really heard of fascism. What they did know, or rather "know," was that they were betrayed by the Jews in a war where they hadn't lost any territory since they took it. A war they didn't really start (balkans), and a war that they had suffered an undue burden for when they lost.

Then came a group that could build their national pride and restore their economy. And condemn the ones who lost them the war in the first place (or so they thought). I think that is very different than now...much later in a foreign nation where those people have no traction as their lunacy was revealed to those with even a basic grade school education.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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OlNate said:
I think you need to split the two up, as the KKK is a driving force, while AntiFa is a reactionary force. Ignoring the KKK will not eliminate AntiFa, because you can be sure they *won't* ignore them, and they aren't engaging in their activism to attract attention, so ignoring AntiFa isn't going to work either.

Based on that, I don't think ignoring this will make it go away, as long as white supremacists try to spread their poison in public venues, you're going to find counter groups like AntiFa opposing them. But, if you go after the cause (KKK), I would expect the symptom (AntiFa) would go away.
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White supremacists are a driving force in what way?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
But antifa is anti-fascist and anti-racism. Most people agree with that. Aren't you against fascism and racism?

It's their violent tactics we disagree with. But they're not morrally equal to Nazis and KKK members.
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You are right. The Nazis and the KKK does not destroy the property of innocent people.

You seem to think that somebody that thinks something evil is worse that somebody that commits evil acts.

You are backwards here.
 
Mycroft said:
We, the public, can safely ignore the extreme right people since they rarely cause much violence on their own. We, the public, should NEVER ignore Antifa because they will always...and deliberately...cause violence.

Law enforcement, on the other hand, should NEVER ignore either group nor shirk their responsibilities to ensure public safety.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Mycroft said:
That "second group" has NEVER been called normal...until now. It seems we've undergone a change in leftist mentality from supporting simple protests to encouraging busting heads.
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Only in the fascist mindset would rejecting nazis not be normal.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Dishonest yourself. Don't even try to judge me, or them, by your mendacious standards.
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not at all i simply point out that antifa is no better. yet you refuse to condemn their actions.
not being dishonest at all. both groups are a plague on society.

you need to go back and read your own posts.
 
JamesBY said:
The Alt Right were out emulating the Nazis, the fascists, the communists, etc., at VA, and modern American from Right to Left is telling you, "No, not in our country."

And in reply to Ludin, if the Alt Right gets violent, it will be crushed by the military and the LEO and its citizen neighbors.
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Why would that be if the police don't do anything about the violence now?

What would change their stance?
 
JamesBY said:
It is better to politically and socially and culturally crush the KKK and the neo-nazis and the alt right, not ignore them.
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To politically and socially crush only serves to strengthen these groups. KKK and neo nazis probably represent a few thousand at best and are not news until someone makes them news.
 
OlNate said:
In that their garbage rhetoric drives the counter protest.
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One sides words drives the violence of the other side?

Don't you see a problem with that?
 
jimbo said:
To politically and socially crush only serves to strengthen these groups. KKK and neo nazis probably represent a few thousand at best and are not news until someone makes them news.
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Hardly, jimbo. You crush them at the polls, you shun them socially, you out them in the colleges. They are growing stronger because people like Trump, who should know better, do not condemn them.
 
Mason66 said:
One sides words drives the violence of the other side?

Don't you see a problem with that?
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I do see a problem with that, which is why I think those that would drive that violence should be prevented from doing so. I've used this analogy a number of times, I'm actually thinking of putting as my signature until this blows over, but I can hate bikers all I want (I don't, it's an example). I can tell my non-biker friends that I hate bikers all I want, maybe they will agree. But if I go into a biker bar and call them all a bunch of assholes, the ass kicking I get as a result is on me, regardless to whether they get charged. Had I not, I would not have gotten my ass kicked, they wouldn't have been charged with assault, and everyone lives happily ever after.
 
JamesBY said:
Hardly, jimbo. You crush them at the polls, you shun them socially, you out them in the colleges. They are growing stronger because people like Trump, who should know better, do not condemn them.
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You posts get more ridiculous one right after the other.

They are getting stronger because Trump didn't call them out? How can you believe such crap?
 
MaggieD said:
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the media began referring to Neonazis, the KKK, Antifa and others as simply hate groups and refrained from identifying them by their chosen names? I wonder if these people tell others, "Oh, by the way, I'm a member of the KKK." I also wonder what they do for a living. And whether widely disseminating their photos would have any effect on that.

My instinct tells me that the majority of their members have nothing to lose. And that, other than within their groups, they are troubled loners.

I have a lot more questions than answers...
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Antifa isn't a hate group unless you count people who hate NAZIs as a group of haters. If that's the case, I'll remind you that there is a vast difference between hating a group of people for the PHILOSOPHY they espouse, and in the case of the NAZIs, their history of inhumanity, and just hating people for their color or ethnicity. I feel like the conservatives are playing deliberately dumb so they can pretend that when a group of them, who represent the worst of humanity, march for white power, the rest of you can play like the whole thing was just two equally bad "hate groups" hating each other. That is NOT the situation here.

The dishonesty that soothes the butthurt of the right by falsely equivocating about what the NAZIs represent is so cruel and stupid that I can barely contain my contempt for them. Here's a bit of truth for you fascist sympathizers. If you are marching down the street with a crowd of others and you look to your left or right and see someone waving a NAZI flag or chanting white power slogans, you too are a douche bag and an enemy of this country's ideals, even if you aren't goose stepping or sporting a funny little mustache. The phrase "birds of a feather..." jumps to mind.

Shame on you, Maggie, for playing dumb...if you're actually playing.
 
OlNate said:
I do see a problem with that, which is why I think those that would drive that violence should be prevented from doing so. I've used this analogy a number of times, I'm actually thinking of putting as my signature until this blows over, but I can hate bikers all I want (I don't, it's an example). I can tell my non-biker friends that I hate bikers all I want, maybe they will agree. But if I go into a biker bar and call them all a bunch of assholes, the ass kicking I get as a result is on me, regardless to whether they get charged. Had I not, I would not have gotten my ass kicked, they wouldn't have been charged with assault, and everyone lives happily ever after.
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So you are like the other poster here who believe that because these people think how they think, that should allow people to attack them and destroy property in that name.

It is a shame you don't see anything wrong with that.

By the way, if you were to take your hypothetical case to court, who would be prosecuted? Would those that attacked you be let off because you brought it on yourself?
 
D_NATURED said:
Antifa isn't a hate group unless you count people who hate NAZIs as a group of haters. If that's the case, I'll remind you that there is a vast difference between hating a group of people for the PHILOSOPHY they espouse, and in the case of the NAZIs, their history of inhumanity, and just hating people for their color or ethnicity. I feel like the conservatives are playing deliberately dumb so they can pretend that when a group of them, who represent the worst of humanity, march for white power, the rest of you can play like the whole thing was just two equally bad "hate groups" hating each other. That is NOT the situation here.

The dishonesty that soothes the butthurt of the right by falsely equivocating about what the NAZIs represent is so cruel and stupid that I can barely contain my contempt for them. Here's a bit of truth for you fascist sympathizers. If you are marching down the street with a crowd of others and you look to your left or right and see someone waving a NAZI flag or chanting white power slogans, you too are a douche bag and an enemy of this country's ideals, even if you aren't goose stepping or sporting a funny little mustache. The phrase "birds of a feather..." jumps to mind.

Shame on you, Maggie, for playing dumb...if you're actually playing.
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Do you think antifa only attacks when Nazis are present?
 
JamesBY said:
Hardly, jimbo. You crush them at the polls, you shun them socially, you out them in the colleges. They are growing stronger because people like Trump, who should know better, do not condemn them.
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If you are talking about CVille, President Trump was correct. The neo nazis came looking for a fight. The alt.left accommodated them. The results were very predictable, except apparently to those responsible parties in CVille government.

Exactly who are you trying to crush at the polls? Neo nazis? Are any running for any office? Shun them socially? I do that. I've never invited any to my home for a dinner. Out them in colleges? I have no idea what you are talking about. Are these perfesors or students?

Fact is their numbers are few, and until a couple days ago it had been months since they got any press. That would not have changed without someone showing up for a fight.
 
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