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Even Robert E Lee didn't like Confederate monuments!

RetiredUSN said:
Then why did Lincoln try to allow the current slaves in Union states during and after the Emancipation Proclamation?

Why were northern union states making millions of dollars from selling insurance to slave owners in the south for their slaves?

The north has plenty of it's own guilt.
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They did not leave the US, become a foreign nation, and fight against the US killing Americans to preserve slavery.

Maintain context. These are monuments to foreign troops hostile to the US.
 
apdst said:
You said losers don't deserve monuments. Did we win Vietnam?
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I didn't say they don't deserve monuments because they lost. I said they don't deserve monuments because they're traitors.
 
ecofarm said:
They did not leave the US, become a foreign nation, and fight against the US killing Americans to preserve slavery.

Maintain context. These are monuments to foreign troops hostile to the US.
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Please....

I am within the context.

There was a whole lot of "redneckin" going on in those blue blood northern cities who insured slave owners.

Shouldn't we be tearing down statues of mayors and senators of these northern cities who allowed profiteering from slavery?
 
apdst said:
You keep saying "losers".
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Because they lost the civil war. That's not why they don't deserve monuments. People have commemorated defeats and losses since ancient times, as have we.

Confederates don't deserve monuments because they betrayed the United States.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Please....

I am within the context.
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You are not within context when you compare a defeated traitor to the US and the Constitution with a founding father or Washington or Lincoln.

No one is suggesting removing statues of Washington or Lincoln because they didn't leave the US to fight for slavery.

Stop acting like Washington is the same as Lee because they owned slaves. You are totally missing the point.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Because they lost the civil war. That's not why they don't deserve monuments. People have commemorated defeats and losses since ancient times, as have we.

Confederates don't deserve monuments because they betrayed the United States.
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And for slavery. To make a final Western stand for owning people.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I didn't say they don't deserve monuments because they lost. I said they don't deserve monuments because they're traitors.
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Are we talking about the founding fathers being traitors to the British Empire?
 
ecofarm said:
You are not within context when you compare a defeated traitor to the US and the Constitution with a founding father or Washington or Lincoln.

No one is suggesting removing statues of Washington or Lincoln because they didn't leave the US to fight for slavery.
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You are the number one "cry me a river " on DP.

We both know damn well what I posted is relevant.

The northern hypocrites profited from slavery and Lincoln allowed slavery in the north during and after the DOA while waging war with the south.

It ain't about all them southern rednecks (as you stated) ..........................when northern businessmen were allowed to profit from slavery, and fill the pockets of northern politicians.
 
BillRM said:
Are we talking about the founding fathers being traitors to the British Empire?
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Everyone should have been a traitor to the British Empire. It was unjust authority. It stood against the realization of The Enlightenment and ruled with tyranny over subjects.

Confederates were traitors to the Constitution, The Enlightenment and the progress of mankind.

Two different things. Being a traitor is meaningless without context. One cannot use it for false moral equivalence.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You are the number one "cry me a river " on DP.
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We both know damn well what I posted is relevant.

The northern hypocrites profited from slavery and Lincoln allowed slavery in the north during and after the DOA while waging war with the south.

It ain't about all them southern rednecks (as you stated) ..........................when northern businessmen were allowed to profit from slavery, and fill the pockets of northern politicians.
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Those hypocrites didn't leave the US, form a foreign nation and kill Americans to defend slavery.
 
BillRM said:
Are we talking about the founding fathers being traitors to the British Empire?
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And if the British ever decide to erect statues of George Washington in Buckingham Palace I'm sure they'll have the same conversation.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Keep deflecting, you have been doing a great job with it since I can remember.
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Keep context: people who left the US, formed a foreign nation and killed Americans to defend slavery.
 
ecofarm said:
Keep context: people who left the US, formed a foreign nation and killed Americans to defend slavery.
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Keep Context: You quoted rednecks southerners .........................while northerners were profiting from slavery from people of a right up to the point where the south became a foreign nation.

We are done.....unless to are too proud to admit that you are wrong.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Keep Context: You quoted rednecks southerners .........................while northerners were profiting from slavery from people of a right up to the point where the south became a foreign nation.

We are done.....unless to are too proud to admit that you are wrong.
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I'm pretty sure I also said white trash.

Still, context: people who left the US, formed a traitorous foreign nation and killed Americans to preserve slavery.

It's like some States declaring Sharia Law, leaving the US and launching attacks. How is that okay with you?
 
ecofarm said:
I'm pretty sure I also said white trash.

Still, context: people who left the US, formed a traitorous foreign nation and killed Americans to preserve slavery.

It's like some States declaring Sharia Law, leaving the US and launching attacks. How is that okay with you?
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Yeah........... I knew you couldn't admit your hypocrisy.

So now you are moving onto sharia law for even more deflection?

Place me on ignore, because that is where you are going right now.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
And if the British ever decide to erect statues of George Washington in Buckingham Palace I'm sure they'll have the same conversation.
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Or place the rebel southern leaders statues in the U.S. Capitol for that matter......LOL

Then you do know that George Washington have a statue in London itself?

https://www.guidelondon.org.uk/blog/around-london/statues-6-american-presidents-london/


George Washington
American tourists are often surprised that there is a statue of their first president in the heart of London at Trafalgar Square. The statue shows Washington holding a bundle of 13 fasces which represent the original 13 states of the newly created United States of America. There is a popular legend that Washington, whose family came from the North East of England, had said he would never set foot on British soil again so some American soil was put under the statue comply with his wishes. It is a replica of an original by Jean Antoine Houdon and was given to Britain by the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1924.
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BillRM said:
Or place the rebel southern leaders statues in the U.S. Capitol for that matter......LOL

Then you do know that George Washington have a statue in London itself?
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Good for the English.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Good for the English.
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I love history as in we came very near for example to having a war with England in the middle of our civil war over them building ships for the South and our naval bordering a English mail ship sailing from Cuba and removing two southerns on their way to London on behalf of the south.

They in fact move a few thousands extra troops to Canada at this point as a warning to the US.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes, well, he was on the correct side. It's not like they still live under a king.
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They still had an empire however in the 1920s with Canada being part of that Empire as we would had been but for our revolution.

An their head of state if not their head of government was a king also.
 
apdst said:
I was supplementing your post.

Look, dude...it ain't all about you!
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Fair enough, I apologize for misinterpreting your post.
 
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