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What are our police departments thinking?

chuckiechan

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People at these riots are wearing helmets, masks, moto-cross armor, carrying shields, and sticks and other obvious weapons. "Bring a car to club fight!" They have to get there. Are the cops blind?

What is next, hand grenades? On TV I've seen one-handed aerosol flame throwers - not sure how they pull that off - mace and other aerosols, etc.

The police must be deaf, blind, stupid, or just don't care to stop it. That is a problem in and of itself. We rely on the police to keep society from degerating into just what we are witnessing.

Since no one in authority cares, what's next? Axes and pikes.

So I'm off my rant, but too many people are blaming the wrong people. 75% of those people are perpetrators of one sort or another. The other 25% are just there for the thrills.
 
chuckiechan said:
People at these riots are wearing helmets, masks, moto-cross armor, carrying shields, and sticks and other obvious weapons. "Bring a car to club fight!" They have to get there. Are the cops blind?

What is next, hand grenades? On TV I've seen one-handed aerosol flame throwers - not sure how they pull that off - mace and other aerosols, etc.

The police must be deaf, blind, stupid, or just don't care to stop it. That is a problem in and of itself. We rely on the police to keep society from degerating into just what we are witnessing.

Since no one in authority cares, what's next? Axes and pikes.

So I'm off my rant, but too many people are blaming the wrong people. 75% of those people are perpetrators of one sort or another. The other 25% are just there for the thrills.
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Police are afraid to stop it, they might be called racist for roughing up a black....so they just sit back and watch
 
Where were the police and who decided that keeping these two groups as far apart as possible was a bad idea?
 
chuckiechan said:
People at these riots are wearing helmets, masks, moto-cross armor, carrying shields, and sticks and other obvious weapons. "Bring a car to club fight!" They have to get there. Are the cops blind?

What is next, hand grenades? On TV I've seen one-handed aerosol flame throwers - not sure how they pull that off - mace and other aerosols, etc.

The police must be deaf, blind, stupid, or just don't care to stop it. That is a problem in and of itself. We rely on the police to keep society from degerating into just what we are witnessing.

Since no one in authority cares, what's next? Axes and pikes.

So I'm off my rant, but too many people are blaming the wrong people. 75% of those people are perpetrators of one sort or another. The other 25% are just there for the thrills.
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To be fair, the Police have to be very careful how they respond, lest they become the target of blames.

We already have a knee-jerk reaction to police responses (thanks to both bad examples like Rodney King, and weak examples like the Ferguson riots) of assuming police brutality.

It's easy to armchair general police responses depending on ones viewpoint, and good police responses don't get as much play in the media as bad ones.

There must be a happy medium between inaction and wrong action...finding it is the problem.
 
Fletch said:
Where were the police and who decided that keeping these two groups as far apart as possible was a bad idea?
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Based off what the Chief said, the police were apparently intimidated by the armed militia members there. But the militia wasn't engaging in the violence. They just stood off to the side while white supremacists and Antifa went at each other.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based off what the Chief said, the police were apparently intimidated by the armed militia members there. But the militia wasn't engaging in the violence. They just stood off to the side while white supremacists and Antifa went at each other.
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I don't believe that. The police have adequate means to deal with armed civilians. I'd bet most of those guns were unloaded.

Either way, I see "bar talk" played out. You know". "Let the X's and Y's" fight it out and kill each other. Society would be better off."
Well, that is not what we have cops for.

They should convein a Grand Jury, and ask each cop on the scene what their orders were and who gave them.
 
chuckiechan said:
People at these riots are wearing helmets, masks, moto-cross armor, carrying shields, and sticks and other obvious weapons. "Bring a car to club fight!" They have to get there. Are the cops blind?

What is next, hand grenades? On TV I've seen one-handed aerosol flame throwers - not sure how they pull that off - mace and other aerosols, etc.

The police must be deaf, blind, stupid, or just don't care to stop it. That is a problem in and of itself. We rely on the police to keep society from degerating into just what we are witnessing.

Since no one in authority cares, what's next? Axes and pikes.

So I'm off my rant, but too many people are blaming the wrong people. 75% of those people are perpetrators of one sort or another. The other 25% are just there for the thrills.
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I don't think cops can engage enmass without orders to do so. It is their superiors who are calling the shots, and they're calling them wrong, imo. When the brass decides to turn a blind eye to burning and looting and rioting in general, they encourage the next melee. Department policy needs to change.

Freedom of assembly is a basic right of every American. But just as freedom of speech has limits, so must the right to demonstrate. When people show up in riot gear, masks and armed with what amount to deadly weapons, they should be turned away. And people whose main purpose for being there is to get a video for their Facebook page ought to stay home.
 
chuckiechan said:
I don't believe that. The police have adequate means to deal with armed civilians. I'd bet most of those guns were unloaded.

Either way, I see "bar talk" played out. You know". "Let the X's and Y's" fight it out and kill each other. Society would be better off."
Well, that is not what we have cops for.

They should convein a Grand Jury, and ask each cop on the scene what their orders were and who gave them.
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You seem to have a lot of great ideas from the comfort and safety of being behind a screen on what cops can do and what guns are unloaded. I wonder if it was your life on the line if you would be so gung ho about rifles are probably unloaded and having adequate gear to engage in a shootout. I think you would loose the macho act in real life and be just as frightened as many of those cops had to be.
 
chuckiechan said:
I don't believe that. The police have adequate means to deal with armed civilians. I'd bet most of those guns were unloaded.

Either way, I see "bar talk" played out. You know". "Let the X's and Y's" fight it out and kill each other. Society would be better off."
Well, that is not what we have cops for.

They should convein a Grand Jury, and ask each cop on the scene what their orders were and who gave them.
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Try and walk up to someone carrying a gun and try to restrain them, see how well that goes for you.
 
chuckiechan said:
People at these riots are wearing helmets, masks, moto-cross armor, carrying shields, and sticks and other obvious weapons. "Bring a car to club fight!" They have to get there. Are the cops blind?

What is next, hand grenades? On TV I've seen one-handed aerosol flame throwers - not sure how they pull that off - mace and other aerosols, etc.

The police must be deaf, blind, stupid, or just don't care to stop it. That is a problem in and of itself. We rely on the police to keep society from degerating into just what we are witnessing.

Since no one in authority cares, what's next? Axes and pikes.

So I'm off my rant, but too many people are blaming the wrong people. 75% of those people are perpetrators of one sort or another. The other 25% are just there for the thrills.
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If you are talking about cville, the mayor ordered the police to stand down and and arrest the right wing protestors who refused to leave while ignoring the left wing ones. The governor of va also when asked flat out refused to answer whether he condemned antifa like he did white supremecists. Much like berkely it seems the mayor was intent on trying to protect the crimes on one side while not protecting those attacked by them.

Had they functioned like seattle this would not of made news.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based off what the Chief said, the police were apparently intimidated by the armed militia members there. But the militia wasn't engaging in the violence. They just stood off to the side while white supremacists and Antifa went at each other.
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Based off what I have read, the mayor ordered them to stand down and allow it to happen. Similiar happened in berkely where the police ordered the right wing protestors disarmed them when antifa showed up armed they were ordered to stand down and withdraw. This happened and then only stopped when the mayor of berkely was called out as an antifa member.

What you are seeing is local govt playing favorites rather than upholding the law.
 
beerftw said:
Based off what I have read, the mayor ordered them to stand down and allow it to happen. Similiar happened in berkely where the police ordered the right wing protestors disarmed them when antifa showed up armed they were ordered to stand down and withdraw. This happened and then only stopped when the mayor of berkely was called out as an antifa member.

What you are seeing is local govt playing favorites rather than upholding the law.
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Interesting. If that is true then it isn't the cops' fault but the mayor's.

The problem with violence is it has a tendency to spread. Sure, those at the park exchanging punches were all equally guilty. But the people hit by that car blocks away weren't involved in the violence. For all we know Fields got all worked up at the skirmish and then went looking for some easy targets. I'm not saying that is what pushed him over the edge but that is the kind of thing that can happen by allowing violence to go unchecked.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Interesting. If that is true then it isn't the cops' fault but the mayor's.

The problem with violence is it has a tendency to spread. Sure, those at the park exchanging punches were all equally guilty. But the people hit by that car blocks away weren't involved in the violence. For all we know Fields got all worked up at the skirmish and then went looking for some easy targets. I'm not saying that is what pushed him over the edge but that is the kind of thing that can happen by allowing violence to go unchecked.
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The people hit with a car though could have happened either way even if the rally never took place, too many look to point the finger at who did it and never point to how it got there in the first place or how they could minimize it.

The police standing down has shown disastrous everywhere antifa is, as antifa will go through extreme lengths to fight people, and when someone is attacked they fight back, when it is one crowd attacking another, even being on the defensive it turns into chaos, as no one knows who is who after a while, and everyone attacks everyone.

Heck antifa has attacked their own guy because his mask got ripped off, as far as they are concerned everyone not wearing a mask must be a trump supporter therefore a fascist therefor deserves to be attacked.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Interesting. If that is true then it isn't the cops' fault but the mayor's.

The problem with violence is it has a tendency to spread. Sure, those at the park exchanging punches were all equally guilty. But the people hit by that car blocks away weren't involved in the violence. For all we know Fields got all worked up at the skirmish and then went looking for some easy targets. I'm not saying that is what pushed him over the edge but that is the kind of thing that can happen by allowing violence to go unchecked.
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One wonders why top police department brass doesn't make those kinds of decisions. I wonder if the cops have to call mayors before they arrest thieves and murderers...
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Interesting. If that is true then it isn't the cops' fault but the mayor's.

The problem with violence is it has a tendency to spread. Sure, those at the park exchanging punches were all equally guilty. But the people hit by that car blocks away weren't involved in the violence. For all we know Fields got all worked up at the skirmish and then went looking for some easy targets. I'm not saying that is what pushed him over the edge but that is the kind of thing that can happen by allowing violence to go unchecked.
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The State encouraging "Might Makes Right" will rarely end well, either on that day or down the line.
 
volsrock said:
Police are afraid to stop it, they might be called racist for roughing up a black....so they just sit back and watch
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In my experience when someone says "a black" they are hardly ever not racist.
 
When you come to a protest dressed and armed to fight, you should have your ass locked up.

Helmets, bats, flammable aerosols, black masks? WTH? I'd lock the ****s up on disordelies, on principle alone! :thumbs:
 
volsrock said:
Police are afraid to stop it, they might be called racist for roughing up a black....so they just sit back and watch
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you posting that the white nationalists are really blacks is one of your most bizarre.
 
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