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The Poison of Identity Politics: White Nationalism is Part of a Deeper Problem

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You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.

Previously a white person had to cop some sort of deviancy or disability to be a member of a victim group - gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Satanist or what have you. Now we have whites claiming that they are victims and deserving of special consideration just because they are white.

But we could all see that coming, right? Sauce, goose, gander?


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...the focus on Mr. Trump is also a cop-out because it lets everyone duck the deeper and growing problem of identity politics on the right and left. The politics of white supremacy was a poison on the right for many decades, but the civil-rights movement rose to overcome it, and it finally did so in the mid-1960s with Martin Luther King Jr. ’s language of equal opportunity and color-blind justice.

That principle has since been abandoned, however, in favor of a new identity politics that again seeks to divide Americans by race, ethnicity, gender and even religion. “Diversity” is now the all-purpose justification for these divisions, and the irony is that America is more diverse and tolerant than ever.

The problem is that the identity obsessives want to boil down everything in American life to these categories. In practice this means allocating political power, contracts, jobs and now even salaries in the private economy based on the politics of skin color or gender rather than merit or performance. Down this road lies crude political tribalism, and James Damore’s recent Google dissent is best understood as a cri de coeur that we should aspire to something better. Yet he lost his job merely for raising the issue.

A politics fixated on indelible differences will inevitably lead to resentments that extremists can exploit in ugly ways on the right and left. The extremists were on the right in Charlottesville, but there have been examples on the left in Berkeley, Oakland and numerous college campuses. When Democratic politicians can’t even say “all lives matter” without being denounced as bigots, American politics has a problem.
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American is turning into a third rate African nation with tribes fighting each other trying to get all the goodies.

Jeff Goldstein

Antifa, BLM, CAIR, the New Black Panthers, La Raza, the ***** Hatters, the KKK — these are all identity movements and all formed and animated by the kind of identity politics championed by the left, and legitimated by the likes of Edward Said and other academic cultural Marxists who recognized the way to power was to divide, and then control, particular identity groups, whose narratives they seek to create and police.

...the alt right, the prog left — and you’ll soon recognize that they are the same. This is tribalism, no more and no less. What we are witnessing is an attempt to corrupt the ideals of a propositional nation based on individualism and individual universal rights (and that’s how our Constitutional republic is designed to operate) — a lesson Google’s pillorying of a software engineer as “anti-diversity” should have made clear.

You should reject this archaic collectivism from whatever group espouses it, because in the end it is simply anti-individualism dressed in mob attire to bolster cowardice and bigotry in numbers.
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Singling out people of a certain race for persecution and oppression. We used to call that racism. Now they call it being "woke".
 
LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.

Previously a white person had to cop some sort of deviancy or disability to be a member of a victim group - gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Satanist or what have you. Now we have whites claiming that they are victims and deserving of special consideration just because they are white.

But we could all see that coming, right? Sauce, goose, gander?


Wall Street Journal


American is turning into a third rate African nation with tribes fighting each other trying to get all the goodies.

Jeff Goldstein



Singling out people of a certain race for persecution and oppression. We used to call that racism. Now they call it being "woke".
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In other words, "both sides are the same." Kind of like your president's tone-deaf statement Saturday on the Charlottesville violence.
 
LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.
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So you're claiming that white people are victim's because they're stupid enough to think they're victim's? This is some next level victim blaming here. The fact that white people are drawing stupid and delusional conclusions isn't the fault of the people criticizing them.
 
I suppose this issue is more of like a strategy to once again reclaim the white supremacy country that had been in America for years. White people tend to show themselves to the public as the victims, and this will create influence to humanity subconsciously. Although I don't say this in general, I would still say that some white men still fight for equality for all race.

All of these fights for dominance in the country will be the one to pull the country down, and I guess white nationalism politicians are the primary contributing factor. The irony of it is that this issue has been here since the past centuries. I don't know what's the cause of this patriotic feeling about race, but this has to end soon because this could lead to separation of the country. I guess pride and greed are the main contributors of their desire to fight.
 
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The politics that the Elite have decided to practice over the last generation....to the point that they have pretty much stopped working because they would rather play insipid political games........is a big part of the problem.

And look at how almost all the wealth being created by all of us goes into just a very few pockets.

Because they bought Washington, both sides of this game they entertain us with.

As they stuff their pockets full right in front of us.

Wake up people.
 
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LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.

Previously a white person had to cop some sort of deviancy or disability to be a member of a victim group - gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Satanist or what have you. Now we have whites claiming that they are victims and deserving of special consideration just because they are white.

But we could all see that coming, right? Sauce, goose, gander?


Wall Street Journal


American is turning into a third rate African nation with tribes fighting each other trying to get all the goodies.

Jeff Goldstein



Singling out people of a certain race for persecution and oppression. We used to call that racism. Now they call it being "woke".
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The DNC with help from Obama, and with the help of Big Data, took the slicing and dicing of America into groups and subgroups to an unprecedented level.
 
Greed is such a powerful persuasion that does evil stuffs. Although I thought about, what if we are in the position as the elites were. Would we do the same things like what these wealthy men are doing? It is easy to say no because we are just civilians.
 
chuckiechan said:
The DNC with help from Obama, and with the help of Big Data, took the slicing and dicing of America into groups and subgroups to an unprecedented level.
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The left's attempts at dividing the nation has been a success. Now what? What has that gotten them?
 
Phys251 said:
In other words, "both sides are the same." Kind of like your president's tone-deaf statement Saturday on the Charlottesville violence.
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What eas tone deaf. He condemned the violence. What did he say or not say that you had a problem with?

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LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.

Previously a white person had to cop some sort of deviancy or disability to be a member of a victim group - gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Satanist or what have you. Now we have whites claiming that they are victims and deserving of special consideration just because they are white.

But we could all see that coming, right? Sauce, goose, gander?


Wall Street Journal


American is turning into a third rate African nation with tribes fighting each other trying to get all the goodies.

Jeff Goldstein



Singling out people of a certain race for persecution and oppression. We used to call that racism. Now they call it being "woke".
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none of what you listed is a deficiency and its all about as deviant as me being left handed

if it makes you feel better the idea of being is a tribe with you against the rest of the country is disgusting
 
Phys251 said:
In other words, "both sides are the same." Kind of like your president's tone-deaf statement Saturday on the Charlottesville violence.
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The very idea that there were only two sides in Charlottesville is suspect as is the idea that if one side (party?) was any worse than the other side (party?) then the least bad side (party?) is as pure and clean as the driven snow. I see at least 7 sides (positions?) being represented in the Charlottesville statue controversy: 1) those that want the statue removed and did not protest, 2) those that want the statue removed and did protest, 3) those that want the statue removed and engaged in violence, 4) those that did not want the statue removed and did not protest, 5) those that did not want the statue removed and did protest, 6) those that did not want the statue removed and engaged in violence and 7) those that don't care one way or the other about that damn statue.
 
trouble13 said:
What eas tone deaf. He condemned the violence. What did he say or not say that you had a problem with?

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Do I really need to recall for you Trump's initial statement from last Saturday? Even Ted Cruz had a better response than Trump did!
 
Phys251 said:
Do I really need to recall for you Trump's initial statement from last Saturday? Even Ted Cruz had a better response than Trump did!
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Im asking you what your problem is with his statement. Is that an unfair question?

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trouble13 said:
Im asking you what your problem is with his statement. Is that an unfair question?

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Trump said, and I quote: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

I and many other people of multiple political affiliations with a far bigger microphone than I have took serious issue with Trump's "on many sides" quote.
 
Phys251 said:
Trump said, and I quote: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

I and many other people of multiple political affiliations with a far bigger microphone than I have took serious issue with Trump's "on many sides" quote.
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I know what he said. I dont understand what the outrage is about. He condemned the violence. Whats the problem you have with that?

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LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.

Previously a white person had to cop some sort of deviancy or disability to be a member of a victim group - gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Satanist or what have you. Now we have whites claiming that they are victims and deserving of special consideration just because they are white.

But we could all see that coming, right? Sauce, goose, gander?


Wall Street Journal


American is turning into a third rate African nation with tribes fighting each other trying to get all the goodies.

Jeff Goldstein



Singling out people of a certain race for persecution and oppression. We used to call that racism. Now they call it being "woke".
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Glad to hear race problems were resolved in the 1960's and today any racial issues are just part of "Diversity" and Identity Politics.

The problem is that it's difficult for some Whites to understand the experience of Blacks and other minorities. In their minds there's no racism. It disappeared in the 60's.

Meanwhile, in Louisiana, a Black man is sentenced to 13 years in prison after being caught with a joint. The prison is owned by the sheriffs and minor drug offenders are most of their population. But nothing to see here.
 
trouble13 said:
I know what he said. I dont understand what the outrage is about. He condemned the violence. Whats the problem you have with that?

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Is there some difficulty that you have understanding my words? Do I need to diagram the sentence for you? The struggle you have to properly understand my words is on you and you alone. Now go back and try it again.
 
Phys251 said:
In other words, "both sides are the same." Kind of like your president's tone-deaf statement Saturday on the Charlottesville violence.
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His statement addressed the FACTS of the situation and are being called into question because they didn't cater to the "tribalism" that the articles cited by the OP speak to.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The very idea that there were only two sides in Charlottesville is suspect as is the idea that if one side (party?) was any worse than the other side (party?) then the least bad side (party?) is as pure and clean as the driven snow. I see at least 7 sides (positions?) being represented in the Charlottesville statue controversy: 1) those that want the statue removed and did not protest, 2) those that want the statue removed and did protest, 3) those that want the statue removed and engaged in violence, 4) those that did not want the statue removed and did not protest, 5) those that did not want the statue removed and did protest, 6) those that did not want the statue removed and engaged in violence and 7) those that don't care one way or the other about that damn statue.
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#8 - The ones who didn't really care one way or the other about the statue but love a good street brawl and showed up expressly for that purpose.
 
Lutherf said:
#8 - The ones who didn't really care one way or the other about the statue but love a good street brawl and showed up expressly for that purpose.
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Noted, but I did say at least 7. ;)
 
Lutherf said:
His statement addressed the FACTS of the situation and are being called into question because they didn't cater to the "tribalism" that the articles cited by the OP speak to.
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Asked and answered. Please see my previous replies to trouble13.
 
The irony of the OP complaining of discrimination is breathtaking :lamo
 
Phys251 said:
Trump said, and I quote: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

I and many other people of multiple political affiliations with a far bigger microphone than I have took serious issue with Trump's "on many sides" quote.
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This is the kind of thing that led to Trump getting elected. This is what identity politics has come to. As a black American, I took that quote to mean "all parties involved in this behavior". That is most certainly the White Supremacists and KKK but also the counter protestors wielding clubs and attacking journalists. Many people are simply sick and tired of the same old crap and same old speech. 54 years ago MLK had a dream of equality where color didn't matter. However, for the 5+ decades since then we are still being pushed on identity politics.

I don't want to be seen as a "black" American. I want to be seen as a citizen, a voter, an IT guy, a photographer, a music lover, a comic nerd, a voracious reader, an artist, a poet, a brother, an uncle, a Texan, etc.. But as long as people keep pointing out I'm black and keep acting on it (or expecting me to be driven by the fact that I'm black), that's what I'll be. When someone says "rising tides lifts all ships", that means ME. Just because they didn't say "black" ships doesn't mean I'm excluded. "Across the board" means ME. "All sides" would mean ME (if I was there). "All citizens" means ME.

These are two groups of violent knuckleheads. All sides were being very anti-American. Failure to recognize that is simply willful ignorance. Claiming a wrong because one side wasn't singled out is at best hypocritical and at worse simply adds fuel to fire that should have been snuffed decades ago if not for identity politics.
 
LowDown said:
You've got whites acting like they're a victim group now just because of their skin color. Way to go.
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Now even the victim mentality of whiny white conservatives is the fault of the Left...
When will you embrace personal accountability?
 
dorsai said:
This is the kind of thing that led to Trump getting elected. This is what identity politics has come to.
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Stopped reading right there. Maybe you don't believe in free speech to call out white supremacy? Or maybe you believe that both sides were in that car that deliberately drove into the protesters.
 
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