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Trump's failure to condemn Virginia neo-Nazis is shocking but not surprising

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Trump's failure to condemn Virginia neo-Nazis is shocking but not surprising


The president’s refusal to properly condemn the attack in Charlottesville is consistent with past comments and a divisive campaign that stoked hatred.....

By David Smith in Washington
Monday 14 August 2017

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Puppets of Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions appear at a weekend protest in Chicago

Speaking at his golf club in New Jersey on Saturday after a man rammed a car into protesters, Trump said: “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. On many sides.” The president added defensively: “It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time.” No mention of racism. No mention of white supremacists. No mention of the Ku Klux Klan. Instead, the repetition of “on many sides”, a characteristic Trump verbal tic used for emphasis. It served merely to emphasize his tin ear and imply moral equivalence between neo-Nazi demonstrators and those who took to the streets to oppose them. There were echoes of some white South African politicians who still occasionally float the notion that colonialism wasn’t all bad. The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi publication, expressed delight: “Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides! So he implied the antifa [anti-fascists] are haters. There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.”

Under growing pressure on Sunday, an unnamed White House spokesperson issued a fresh statement, insisting that the president “condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred, and of course that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups”. But Trump himself remained unusually silent, in person and on Twitter. The stance was shocking but not surprising. Trump’s opinionated statements and policy positions are all over the place, except on two issues: Vladimir Putin and white nationalists. Even as cabinet secretaries and members of Congress condemn and sanction the Russian leader, the president is unfailingly reluctant to criticize him directly. Even as his daughter Ivanka tweeted condemnation of white supremacists and neo-Nazis on Sunday, the president was, his critics say, committing crimes of omission. A president’s actions and words can only do so much, but they can create a climate in which certain groups, attitudes and mindsets flourish. Trump, 71, will not switch course now, for as Michelle Obama once observed: “Being president doesn’t change who you are. It reveals who you are.” It remains to be seen whether many Republicans will feel a moral obligation, or a willingness, to challenge who he is.

No one should be shocked at the Charlottesville ambivalence of Donald Trump. Anyone claiming shock and surprise is flat out lying.

The vitriol in tweets and the divisive attitudes of Donald Trump have been painfully evident for a long time. Long enough that Americans can no longer claim sudden surprise and faux disgust.
 
DJT condemned the violence, hate, etc. "on many sides," which was applicable to what was occurring in VA. Radical Antifa leftists were partly to blame as was Unite The Right. If anything, DJT was not forceful enough in condemning both groups.
 
DJT condemned the violence, hate, etc. "on many sides," which was applicable to what was occurring in VA. Radical Antifa leftists were partly to blame as was Unite The Right. If anything, DJT was not forceful enough in condemning both groups.

Of course he wasn't forceful enough, which is the point. A white supremacist just murdered one woman and sent many more to the hospital, and he gave a nothing response that didn't name anyone or any group. His daughter did, some unnamed spokesman for the WH sort of did, but Trump did not.

It's a pattern with Trump. Early in the campaign he pretended not to know who David Duke even was, and when pressed over a period of (as I recall) at least days or weeks, issued a perfunctory "disavow" of the guy. There's a reason these guys (including Duke this weekend, and the racist dirtbags over at Daily Stormer) believe Trump has their back, and it's because despite multiple opportunities he's never condemned the various groups or their ideology by name.
 
Of course he wasn't forceful enough, which is the point. A white supremacist just murdered one woman and sent many more to the hospital, and he gave a nothing response that didn't name anyone or any group. His daughter did, some unnamed spokesman for the WH sort of did, but Trump did not.

It's a pattern with Trump. Early in the campaign he pretended not to know who David Duke even was, and when pressed over a period of (as I recall) at least days or weeks, issued a perfunctory "disavow" of the guy. There's a reason these guys (including Duke this weekend, and the racist dirtbags over at Daily Stormer) believe Trump has their back, and it's because despite multiple opportunities he's never condemned the various groups or their ideology by name.

Here ya go

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...1/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/
 
Of course he wasn't forceful enough, which is the point. A white supremacist just murdered one woman and sent many more to the hospital, and he gave a nothing response that didn't name anyone or any group. His daughter did, some unnamed spokesman for the WH sort of did, but Trump did not.

It's a pattern with Trump. Early in the campaign he pretended not to know who David Duke even was, and when pressed over a period of (as I recall) at least days or weeks, issued a perfunctory "disavow" of the guy. There's a reason these guys (including Duke this weekend, and the racist dirtbags over at Daily Stormer) believe Trump has their back, and it's because despite multiple opportunities he's never condemned the various groups or their ideology by name.

Trump is expected to make a statement condemning White Supremacy today. I have no idea how that will unfold, exactly, but even if he does fully condemn it, two days after the fact is far, far too late.

The two day delay and the refusal to condemn them by name while it was happening is the nod and wink to his White Supremacist supporters.
 
DJT condemned the violence, hate, etc. "on many sides," which was applicable to what was occurring in VA. Radical Antifa leftists were partly to blame as was Unite The Right. If anything, DJT was not forceful enough in condemning both groups.

No, it wasn't. He actively tried to mislead people about what happened. He implied the white nationalists and counter protesters were equally to blame. That this was somehow a 50/50 situation.

He didn't call out and condemn the white nationalists by name. He didn't acknowledge that they were the ones who initiated violence and that they engaged in lethal violence.

Yet again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
It wouldn't matter how much he condemned it, the anti-Trumpers would say it isn't enough.
 
It wouldn't matter how much he condemned it, the anti-Trumpers would say it isn't enough.

Well, you know who agrees with anti-Trumpers that POTUS didn't do much to condemn racists and white supremacists? Racists and white supremacists, who where THRILLED with his vanilla statement on Saturday.
 
Well, you know who agrees with anti-Trumpers that POTUS didn't do much to condemn racists and white supremacists? Racists and white supremacists, who where THRILLED with his vanilla statement on Saturday.

There's the "you're a racist" part. :lamo
 
It wouldn't matter how much he condemned it, the anti-Trumpers would say it isn't enough.

If the group openly marching was Nambla, and the President were Hillary Clinton, and she refused to condemn them by name, instead choosing to make the statement "all sides bear blame," then two days later rolled her eyes and said "Fine! Pedophiles are bad! Happy now?!" you would not find this confusing.
 
If the group openly marching was Nambla, and the President were Hillary Clinton, and she refused to condemn them by name, instead choosing to make the statement "all sides bear blame," then two days later rolled her eyes and said "Fine! Pedophiles are bad! Happy now?!" you would not find this confusing.

NAMBLA used to march in SF gay pride parades. did any president condemn them?
 
There's the "you're a racist" part. :lamo

Just so we're clear, this is what Daily Stormer had to say: https://www.dailystormer.com/unitetheright-charlottesville-live-updates/

Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.

He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate… on both sides!

So he implied the antifa are haters.

There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.

He said he loves us all.

Also refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him.

No condemnation at all.


When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room.

Really, really good.

God bless him
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NAMBLA used to march in SF gay pride parades. did any president condemn them?

Do you deny that if a President Clinton steadfastly refused to condemn Nambla, only referring to them by name after being browbeaten into doing so two days later, that her statement would be worthless?
 
Pence is still trying to spin his "alternative facts"...

Vice President Mike Pence on Monday continued to defend President Donald Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, telling NBC News the president "made it very clear" he condemns "the KKK and white supremacists." "The president made it very clear in his statement this weekend that we condemn all forms of hate and violence, particularly condemn, as we did yesterday, we condemned the hate and the violence and the bigotry of organizations that showed up in Charlottesville like the KKK and white supremacists," Pence said.

No Mr. Pence. You're openly lying.

Trump never once singled out or even mentioned the KKK and white supremacists.
 
Do you deny that if a President Clinton steadfastly refused to condemn Nambla, only referring to them by name after being browbeaten into doing so two days later, that her statement would be worthless?



I think the #triggered #snowflake generation won't be satisfied with any comment trump could make.


What he said was right. both sides are equally bad here. The antifa and the nazis are two sides of the same coin. his initial statement was the correct one. but SJW's and PC warriors are beamoning he didn't say that just the nazis were bad.
 
Trump is expected to make a statement condemning White Supremacy today. I have no idea how that will unfold, exactly, but even if he does fully condemn it, two days after the fact is far, far too late.

The two day delay and the refusal to condemn them by name while it was happening is the nod and wink to his White Supremacist supporters.

Here's the statement;



It was IMO excellent. It's really too bad it took this long, and a botched one on Saturday, to get here, but I have to commend him on this.
 
I think the #triggered #snowflake generation won't be satisfied with any comment trump could make.

What he said was right. both sides are equally bad here. The antifa and the nazis are two sides of the same coin. his initial statement was the correct one. but SJW's and PC warriors are beamoning he didn't say that just the nazis were bad.

Nazis. You're coming to the defense of Nazis. Congratulations, you've come a long way.
 
Here's the statement;



It was IMO excellent. It's really too bad it took this long, and a botched one on Saturday, to get here, but I have to commend him on this.


Wow, he finally condemned racism after three days of ruthless browbeating. We should make him king. In fact, I think I'll invite him over so he can have sex with my sister.

Every time I think the Trump can't lower the bar any further, he defies my expectations and finds a way.

If you think his statement was "excellent," then you, my friend, are starved for normality.
 
I think the #triggered #snowflake generation won't be satisfied with any comment trump could make.


What he said was right. both sides are equally bad here. The antifa and the nazis are two sides of the same coin. his initial statement was the correct one. but SJW's and PC warriors are beamoning he didn't say that just the nazis were bad.

That's a nice straw man but it's false.
 
Nazis. You're coming to the defense of Nazis. Congratulations, you've come a long way.



That's stupid bro. I literally said., "both sides are equally bad here."


and this is the retort you muster? you must feel brilliant. /facepalm
 
That's stupid bro. I literally said., "both sides are equally bad here."


and this is the retort you muster? you must feel brilliant. /facepalm

Your whataboutism and false equivalence is defending Nazis.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you're making an effort to take the onus off of Nazis.
 
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