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11 California Counties Had More Registered Voters than Eligible Voters

Anagram said:
That people are willing to get a fake SSN to work and make a living is more likely than to get one extra vote.
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Maybe I'm not understanding you. Why wouldn't you vote with your fake SSN when you're already using it to file fake tax returns? You're far more likely to get caught with the fake tax returns. With voting it's nearly impossible to pick up.
 
ocean515 said:
I would guess it would be a daunting task to uncover voter fraud, given the size of the task. If someone uses a stolen identity that meets the very basic "legal" test, how would anyone know?

It has been documented that voter fraud has occurred in the past, but with election margins rather wide, it didn't make much difference. Today, margins are really small, and the issue has taken on a more critical nature.

As long as the media is willing to spread the voter suppression narrative any time someone tries to clean things up, I suspect little will be done to make sure elections are as accurate a measure of the voters will as technically possible.
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When tons of people get cleared off of voting rolls when proof of citizenship is required (see Kansas), then you know that there's massive fraud going on.
 
katzgar said:
Your post is hysteric paranoia
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Is it hysteric paranoia to point out that more than 1 million are filling out fake tax returns using stolen SSNs?
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, you know there is a differnce between a sue happy conservatvie group making that claim, and that claim being correct, don't you ? Other than the fact that JW is making the claim, what's the evidence this is true?

As a matter of fact, this was denied, and shown were Judical watch did it's lying.

Fact check: Do 11 California counties have more voters than eligible adults? - The San Diego Union-Tribune
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They're still registered, just on an inactive list. Nothing was debunked. Read your article.
 
katzgar said:
Getting this posted once a week is just getting really tiring and old.
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I hadn't actually read those numbers yet. Are you saying they are true?
 
phattonez said:
Maybe I'm not understanding you. Why wouldn't you vote with your fake SSN when you're already using it to file fake tax returns? You're far more likely to get caught with the fake tax returns. With voting it's nearly impossible to pick up.
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I guess my point was more that this is a problem for a completely different reason than the OP. People's primary purpose for getting a fake SSN is for tangible economic benefits, not to vote. And it's not the reason that the voter rolls are so large. But we have more than enough reasons to crack down as much as we can on people with fake SSN's already, not even considering whether they vote or not.
 
phattonez said:
Is it hysteric paranoia to point out that more than 1 million are filling out fake tax returns using stolen SSNs?
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No the ignorance is expected. Identity theft is down 50% over a couple years ago because the IRS is getting it under control but don't let facts get in the way of your paranoia.
 
Anagram said:
I guess my point was more that this is a problem for a completely different reason than the OP. People's primary purpose for getting a fake SSN is for tangible economic benefits, not to vote. And it's not the reason that the voter rolls are so large. But we have more than enough reasons to crack down as much as we can on people with fake SSN's already, not even considering whether they vote or not.
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I think if you went after that you would also clean up much of the vote fraud along with it.

Still, there's no good reason to not go through and screen the rolls.
 
phattonez said:
I think if you went after that you would also clean up much of the vote fraud along with it.

Still, there's no good reason to not go through and screen the rolls.
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Except the huge costs maintaining that level of accurate information. Would be more useful than some things they spend money on, less useful than others. But I wouldn't want my state, for instance, raising my taxes to do so if that's what it took to keep them super aggressively updated.
 
Anagram said:
Except the huge costs maintaining that level of accurate information. Would be more useful than some things they spend money on, less useful than others. But I wouldn't want my state, for instance, raising my taxes to do so if that's what it took to keep them super aggressively updated.
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How much would it really cost to compare to death records? Or just communicate between states? All you need is a simple algorithm that looks at name, date of birth, last 4 digits of SSN, look for matches, and reconcile discrepancies. It's really not a hard thing to do.

When it is as easy as it currently is to have a fake SSN (since more than a million do it) and walk into a polling place and fill out a fake ballot, we need to do more than just hope that there isn't any fraud.
 
Critter7r said:
Because they don't care about voting. They care about getting paid.
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There might be a little incentive to vote when one of the candidates is pushing to kick you out of the country.
 
ocean515 said:
I believe willful ignorance makes one quite easy to brainwash.

The evidence of that result is easily viewed in those who try to dismiss facts and assign them to some imagined folly, rather than engage in rational discussion.
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People take facts and make it their own. You know, alternate facts. :roll:
 
phattonez said:
How much would it really cost to compare to death records? Or just communicate between states? All you need is a simple algorithm that looks at name, date of birth, last 4 digits of SSN, look for matches, and reconcile discrepancies. It's really not a hard thing to do.
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Harder than you'd think with 330 million+ people constantly moving around and dying. States already share about as much of the data with each other as they can. But things are often reported incorrectly. People don't usually report at all when they move. SSN's aren't always attached. Each match has to be investigated at least a little bit, so as to not to accidentally remove a legitimate voter and deny them they're franchise.

When it is as easy as it currently is to have a fake SSN (since more than a million do it) and walk into a polling place and fill out a fake ballot, we need to do more than just hope that there isn't any fraud.
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This is a completely different issue though. Updating voter rolls won't catch these people. Considering the fact they're knowingly committing a felony, I suspect many of these would be reluctant to vote and come in contact with the government more than they have to anyway. And we have more than enough reason to crack down on them as much as possible for other non-voting reasons.
 
phattonez said:
There might be a little incentive to vote when one of the candidates is pushing to kick you out of the country.
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Let's get some proof - or even some indication - that the extra names on the voting rosters aren't just people that have died, or moved without notifying the County clerk.
 
phattonez said:
They're still registered, just on an inactive list. Nothing was debunked. Read your article.
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I did read it. It demonstrated, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your link was full of nonsense and bull.
 
And yet no one has come forward to say, "yes I was recruited to organize massive voter fraud." Imagine the speaker fees from Judicial Watch for such a person willing to expose this. This huge crime involving no doubt hundreds of operatives has gone undetected for too long. Continue your snipe hunt, Judicial Watch.
 
Anagram said:
Harder than you'd think with 330 million+ people constantly moving around and dying. States already share about as much of the data with each other as they can. But things are often reported incorrectly. People don't usually report at all when they move. SSN's aren't always attached. Each match has to be investigated at least a little bit, so as to not to accidentally remove a legitimate voter and deny them they're franchise.
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That's why I said investigate the discrepancies.

As far as I know, the information that I mentioned is publicly available. A simple database searching algorithm already takes care of most of the problem.

This is a completely different issue though. Updating voter rolls won't catch these people. Considering the fact they're knowingly committing a felony, I suspect many of these would be reluctant to vote and come in contact with the government more than they have to anyway. And we have more than enough reason to crack down on them as much as possible for other non-voting reasons.
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I suspect it would, since they're getting these SSNs from somewhere.
 
Critter7r said:
Let's get some proof - or even some indication - that the extra names on the voting rosters aren't just people that have died, or moved without notifying the County clerk.
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I'm sure that's what most of them are. Where's the proof that people aren't using these outdated registrations to vote illegally?
 
katzgar said:
just more right wing ignorance...try and catch up. Some refunds delayed as IRS battle against fraud intensifies | Fox Business
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1. That's starting just this year. 2. There is no mention of what specifically they are doing with illegals here. Rather, what they're looking for is the more commonly known identity theft where people file a tax return in your name to claim benefits. Illegals are using, for the most part I suspect, those who have died in early age.

Still, I didn't hear much coming of it. I certainly didn't hear of any deportations, which is what you would expect from a real crackdown on illegals filing fake tax returns.
 
RAMOSS said:
I did read it. It demonstrated, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your link was full of nonsense and bull.
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The people are still registered, just placed on an inactive list. When your total registrations is above your total adult population, it's way beyond time to clean up the rolls.
 
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