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Trump @ Day 200

Fearandloathing said:
Nearly 30 years I covered politics and the first thing I learned is that things are never what they seem. A candidate says he has "no intention" of running, is more often an appeal to be drafted.

The second thing I learned was to never draw any conclusions out of speculation. We do know there will be a mid term election next year, we do not even know at this point whether there will a single, united Republican party let along democrats, who can't seem to get ink at all with Trump drawing all the air out of the room.

I wasn't surprised at the election of Trump, I was surprised when the country elected Nixon, since then nothing has surprised me,....maybe one thing that Bill Clinton kept his job...cowards.

We will see an even more deadly and cruel election I propose, as the nation hasn't had a madman like this in office since Andrew Jackson, but who and what emerges will, likely, be as much as a surprise at Trump wining the White House.

Of course, all of the above is based on the possibility that Trump is still in office.

This puts it in persepective

Donald Trump being ignored by own administration, as top officials contradict president - National | Globalnews.ca
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The reality that you never want to deal with is that it is the long term failure of the entire Elite Class that got us here, and then again maybe your dislike of Trump is all about a personality clash rather than that he sucks. Let's throw in that he is at the very end of his life, so why has he invested already three years into America by way of pursuing the now thankless job of POTUS (Because we suck now, it used to be a good job) if he does not care about America? Dont bother with this was about making money for Trump Cos....he does not need anymore, and this has hurt not helped his companies, and is likely to hurt the Trump Cos a whole lot more in the pursuit of the impeachment. There are holes in Trumps knowledge base as we all know, but there is no hole here. You are operating on an assumption that Trump does not care about America, that assumption has no case that I have ever heard, though I will listen to yours if you have one.


EDIT: Re the Link....Newt was pointing out even before the Inauguration that the Swamp would do everything they could do to gum up the works and delay till Trump could be discharged (and look at what Congress has done...exactly that) , that this was his biggest challenge.....Hell ya the swamp has not been tamed, once it was decided to impeach his ass ASAP there was no way for Trump to get that done....this is not a failure of leadership, this was a failure of followership....to the point that the Elite Class is clearly willing to burn America down to burn Trump out.

America really does suck that bad now.

At this point you and I should agree again.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
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Sir this is the problem I have with your general thrust: The American Elite have been doing crap work for a long time...you and me know that.

The American people never demanded better....you and me know that.

Crap Work over time erodes the fabric of the Society, it promotes the rot, which is so irresponsible when done knowingly that it should be criminal...you and me know that.

So when the long term irresponsible crap work leads to a CRAP result I have no interest in anyone mopping around "THIS PIECE OF CRAP PRESIDENT SUCKS, GET HIM OUT!" and only that.

You should have known that this or something like this was going to happen all those years you were watching the elite turn in bad work and almost no one cared.

You should have cared, and you maybe should have been running your mouth about the problem, for the kids.

But we are here now, so the only way out is to pitch in and help in the crisis, "HELP TRUMP!"

And tell anyone who will listen that we Americans failed America.

We failed our kids, we should be so ashamed.

"BE BETTER!"
 
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ThoughtEx. said:
Ok, I can see the connection, but the video doesn't mention anything about the Rothschild's being Jewish.

I don't think Ron Paul is right about the Gold Standard. For one, there isn't enough gold to back our economy even after we deflate it to an acceptable point where the value of money favors the consumer in our consumer based economy.

The Fed is a private bank, owned by other private banks, with members of those banks sitting on the board with political appointees. The President may appoint the head of the Fed, but who finances the President's campaign? Trump himself when he was just a businessman said you have to give to both side of the aisle, it's how the system works. Banks that own the Fed, donate to both parties and both parties play ball. So the appointment of the head of the Fed usually falls in line with what the banks want. It's corruption, it was designed to be corrupt, and it will continue to be corrupt. The last President to point this out was JFK, haven't had an honest President since then where the banks are concerned.

So many use a central bank, because we use a central bank and told them it was the best.

Oh I'm not denying our economy is going to slow way down. Might even have a depression, in fact most assuredly will. I'm saying after the adjustment period our economy will work better. There is no easy fix, but causing ourselves some short term discomfort is better than what is happening by a far and wide margin. If surgeons had to wait for a way to remove appendixes that didn't damage the body, anyone with appendicitis would die in the wait.
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The thing is that the USA was probably the country that was most resistant to the idea of a central bank, and still went with one, because there were too many recessions taking place. A gold standard will not just be deflationary initially, but long-term, because the supply of gold is limited, so the only way gold can be used to buy an increasing amount of goods and services being produced is for its value to increase, which requires prices of goods and services to decrease. That would result in a perpetual drag on the economy. Not to mention, in cases of a severe recession, monetary policy could not be used, and fiscal policy typically takes too long to implement, because of political dead-locks, which is a major reason we presently have a central bank --- it can institute policies faster than Congress can.
 
Wisdom said:
The thing is that the USA was probably the country that was most resistant to the idea of a central bank, and still went with one, because there were too many recessions taking place. A gold standard will not just be deflationary initially, but long-term, because the supply of gold is limited, so the only way gold can be used to buy an increasing amount of goods and services being produced is for its value to increase, which requires prices of goods and services to decrease. That would result in a perpetual drag on the economy. Not to mention, in cases of a severe recession, monetary policy could not be used, and fiscal policy typically takes too long to implement, because of political dead-locks, which is a major reason we presently have a central bank --- it can institute policies faster than Congress can.
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Do I need to paint you a picture depicting myself taking a **** on some gold to get you off the whole gold standard angle? You can't peg me into an argument I didn't make. So stop it. There is nothing the Fed can do, that the Treasury department wouldn't be able to do themselves. I can not put it any simpler than that.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Do I need to paint you a picture depicting myself taking a **** on some gold to get you off the whole gold standard angle? You can't peg me into an argument I didn't make. So stop it. There is nothing the Fed can do, that the Treasury department wouldn't be able to do themselves. I can not put it any simpler than that.
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If the actions of the FED are simply replaced by the Treasury, then you would not be getting rid of a central bank.

Sorry, I thought when you were writing about things would slow down in the short-term that you were referring to the gold standard. My bad. But, I'm still not sure exactly what your argument is in replacing the present central bank.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The reality that you never want to deal with is that it is the long term failure of the entire Elite Class that got us here, and then again maybe your dislike of Trump is all about a personality clash rather than that he sucks. Let's throw in that he is at the very end of his life, so why has he invested already three years into America by way of pursuing the now thankless job of POTUS (Because we suck now, it used to be a good job) if he does not care about America? Dont bother with this was about making money for Trump Cos....he does not need anymore, and this has hurt not helped his companies, and is likely to hurt the Trump Cos a whole lot more in the pursuit of the impeachment. There are holes in Trumps knowledge base as we all know, but there is no hole here. You are operating on an assumption that Trump does not care about America, that assumption has no case that I have ever heard, though I will listen to yours if you have one.


EDIT: Re the Link....Newt was pointing out even before the Inauguration that the Swamp would do everything they could do to gum up the works and delay till Trump could be discharged (and look at what Congress has done...exactly that) , that this was his biggest challenge.....Hell ya the swamp has not been tamed, once it was decided to impeach his ass ASAP there was no way for Trump to get that done....this is not a failure of leadership, this was a failure of followership....to the point that the Elite Class is clearly willing to burn America down to burn Trump out.

America really does suck that bad now.

At this point you and I should agree again.
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You're right on so many counts. It is a personality clash and Trump does suck. There are definitely holes in his knowledge. He thought being president would be easy. He thought he knew everything, more than the generals etc. He thought fixing healthcare would be easy. He thought he was getting an easy, fun job where he could bask in national adulation and pomp for eight years.
 
bearpoker said:
You're right on so many counts. It is a personality clash and Trump does suck. There are definitely holes in his knowledge. He thought being president would be easy. He thought he knew everything, more than the generals etc. He thought fixing healthcare would be easy. He thought he was getting an easy, fun job where he could bask in national adulation and pomp for eight years.
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He thought that he would be picking from a pool of experts to work on our most serious problems and working on deals to make America a better place, he did not know that the experts would be on strike and the also doing what they could to sabotage his deals...starting with Russia.....because they are willing to burn America down to burn Trump out.

America let Trump down, make no mistake about that, and we let ourselves down, just like we always do, because we suck now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
He thought that he would be picking from a pool of experts to work on our most serious problems and working on deals to make America a better place, he did not know that the experts would be on strike and the also doing what they could to sabotage his deals...starting with Russia.....because they are willing to burn America down to burn Trump out.

America let Trump down, make no mistake about that, and we let ourselves down, just like we always do, because we suck now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
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The problem is just that high quality people won't work for a low quality person who wants to do stupid, destructive things.
 
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