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Justice Dept. to Take On Affirmative Action in College Admissions

SonOfDaedalus said:
Asian students are already well represented at 17%. Is the world better if you slashed Black and Hispanic population to 3% and 5% respectively? Now we get 25% Asians at Harvard.

The idea is you want our top schools, which often are the keys to power, to reflect the population. Asians are a minority but they aren't underrepresented.

The bottom line is there are very few Black and Hispanic students already. What's the goal? No Black and Hispanic students in the name of fairness?

If it's all about fairness, where the outcry to get rid of policies that favor the children of the rich? Why isn't something done to prevent rich people from donating to schools to get their children admitted?
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Explain to me why the color of the skin or the gender is more important than having the best and brightest, whoever they may be, at the school.

Who is it benefiting to have lower performing students take up space that higher performing students should fill?
 
sangha said:
They do not have to score 450 points higher

Why is a test score the only measure of academic measure you consider relevant?
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Isn't that what the SATs were designed for?

What else would you suggest as a measure of academic achievement?
 
Mason66 said:
Explain to me why the color of the skin or the gender is more important than having the best and brightest, whoever they may be, at the school.

Who is it benefiting to have lower performing students take up space that higher performing students should fill?
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You mean the lower performing rich kids who got in because of Daddy?
 
vegas giants said:
You mean the lower performing rich kids who got in because of Daddy?
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You know that is not the topic of this thread nor what I was responding to.

Go start your own thread about rich kids if you are so interested in that.
 
Mason66 said:
You know that is not the topic of this thread nor what I was responding to.

Go start your own thread about rich kids if you are so interested in that.
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The topic is fairness in college admission policy and you know it
 
vegas giants said:
The topic is fairness in college admission policy and you know it
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No it isn't.

This thread, in case you can't read, is about the DOJ taking on colleges over Affirmative Action.

I was asking a question of another poster that nothing to do with rich kids.

Again, go start your own thread if you care so much that a rich kid gets into college.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Harvard is 46% White and 17% Asian. It's only 6% Black 10% Hispanic.

Are there too many Blacks and Hispanics at Harvard? Is that the problem?

Do these people crying about racism against Whites want a Harvard that's 50% White 20% Asian and 1% Black and 5% Hispanic? Will that make the world a better place?

Regarding fairness, I had a conversation with two kids from a rich high school funded by rich alumni. You can't imagine how advanced their school is. They all get iPads and have a business education center. The reality is education is never fair. If you're poor the odds are stack against you. A poor kid whose parents are drug addicts can't compete with a rich kid whose parents are doctors.

I think 95% of the people who complain about Affirmative Action don't know how small the Black and Hispanic student population is in these Ivy League schools. Even if they get their way, it's not going to make life for poor Whites any better. Those seats will just go to more rich kids like G.W. Bush and Donald Trump who get in because their parents are rich.

Also, where is the outcry about rich people's children getting favorable admissions? Why isn't the Justice Department looking into that?
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what is true is that when I was at an Ivy league university, the gap between legacies and non legacies was non existent and according to the Dean of Admissions-legacies actually had higher numbers. the gap between affirmative action recipients was huge. Athletes-somewhat substantial but not as much
 
sangha said:
Why is a test score the only measure of academic measure you consider relevant?
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its certainly a more valid indicator than one's skin color
 
Mason66 said:
No it isn't.

This thread, in case you can't read, is about the DOJ taking on colleges over Affirmative Action.

I was asking a question of another poster that nothing to do with rich kids.

Again, go start your own thread if you care so much that a rich kid gets into college.
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You don't want discrimination.....unless the rich are doing it
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Asian students are already well represented at 17%. Is the world better if you slashed Black and Hispanic population to 3% and 5% respectively? Now we get 25% Asians at Harvard.

The idea is you want our top schools, which often are the keys to power, to reflect the population. Asians are a minority but they aren't underrepresented.

The bottom line is there are very few Black and Hispanic students already. What's the goal? No Black and Hispanic students in the name of fairness?

If it's all about fairness, where the outcry to get rid of policies that favor the children of the rich? Why isn't something done to prevent rich people from donating to schools to get their children admitted?
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private colleges should be able to admit who they want in an ideal world. But racial discrimination is barred by Title VII while admitting a kid because for 200 years his family has given funds that allow 30 poor kids a year to attend that school without going bankrupt violates no laws and is good for society in the long run. If rich people didn't donate to places like Yale or Williams, only rich kids could attend those schools anyway
 
vegas giants said:
You don't want discrimination.....unless the rich are doing it
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economic reality "discriminates" in favor of the rich

sports discriminate in favor of the athletic

fashion magazines discriminate in favor of the pretty or handsome
 
TurtleDude said:
private colleges should be able to admit who they want in an ideal world. But racial discrimination is barred by Title VII while admitting a kid because for 200 years his family has given funds that allow 30 poor kids a year to attend that school without going bankrupt violates no laws and is good for society in the long run. If rich people didn't donate to places like Yale or Williams, only rich kids could attend those schools anyway
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So the rich get to buy there way in and that is fair?
 
TurtleDude said:
economic reality "discriminates" in favor of the rich

sports discriminate in favor of the athletic

fashion magazines discriminate in favor of the pretty or handsome
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Maybe there should be special justice for the rich....we have to keep it consistent
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is what is considered illegal that the DOJ is interested in - racial bias/discrimination is illegal. Would you consider it OK (or even required) for the NFL or NBA to seek to attain proportional racial parity?
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True, but I was not asking about what the DOJ considered illegal. I asked justabubba to explain his position on academic merit. As far as sports go, there is no history of the govt oppressing people who want to play sports professionally nor is professional sports a govt provided service.

Nobody seems to question the primary use of athletic talent evaluation or head to head competition used in assigning sports scholarships or in accepting sports program walk ons (where some minorities may exceed their proportional representation) yet all hell breaks loose if academic record or head to head comparisons are used in academic program candidate selection (where some minorities may not meet their proportional representation).
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You just gave an example of colleges not using test scores as the only measure of academic merit. Why assume I would oppose that when I just argued we should?
 
sangha said:
If you are going to respond to a question, then answer the question.

Until then, I will assume you have no answer
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Merely commenting on what was a silly insinuation
 
sangha said:
Why is a test score the only measure of academic measure you consider relevant?
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how do you get that from the point he made? he's merely asking why one minority has to score much higher on perhaps the single most objective standard to determine academic competitiveness
 
sangha said:
If you are going to respond to a question, then answer the question.

Until then, I will assume you have no answer
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He never does
 
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