Who Will Go First: Trump, Mueller or Kelly?

katzgar said:

yet you are the one that cant follow a conversation. yes, trump obviously benefited from the ignorance and racism of the right.

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To repeat:


And you claim I can't follow a conversation.

You are dismissed.

:screwy

ocean515 said:

To repeat:

"I asked who benefits. Not who benefitted. Do you think the current climate is benefitting President Trump?"​

And you claim I can't follow a conversation.

You are dismissed.

:screwy

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excellent, no more off the wall posts from you.

katzgar said:

There is some truth to that it's always been about a transfer of wealth from the rich to the not rich.

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Because the rich are feeding an addiction. Historically they always take and take until there's so little left for everybody else they have to be stopped.

Same with power. Making others "bend the knee" gives the power mad their happy juice. So they do it more and more. Until it gets so bad they have to be stopped.

This is the 800lb gorilla in our room.

Always has been.

katzgar said:

There is some truth to that it's always been about a transfer of wealth from the rich to the not rich.

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Yep, pander to the non-rich majority at the alleged expense of the rich minority - democracy in action. The reality is that the rich are not sufficiently taxed to foot the bill - the ever growing national debt is proof of that.

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The fraction of a percent at the top.

As always.

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From what I have learned, that would be accurate. But it's not just those fractions of a percent at the top who live in the US.

What are they planning when they meet at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland?

What is their end game and how are they going about trying to achieve it?

How does creating ideological based anger and cultural division play into their objective?

ocean515 said:

From what I have learned, that would be accurate. But it's not just those fractions of a percent at the top who live in the US.

What are they planning when they meet at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland?

What is their end game and how are they going about trying to achieve it?

How does creating ideological based anger and cultural division play into their objective?

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What they aare always planning.

How to lay claim to more of the worlds output.

It raises their "score" in the game they're playing and feeds their neurochemical addiction.

This is the pattern of history.

They've spent a lot of money on the "greed is good" PR campaign.

But it isn't.

Never has been.

Never ends well.

The meme that history is a battle between freedom and government is false.

Governments end up tools over time.

Tools wielded against us by the dopamine addicted.

ttwtt78640 said:

Yep, pander to the non-rich majority at the alleged expense of the rich minority - democracy in action. The reality is that the rich are not sufficiently taxed to foot the bill - the ever growing national debt is proof of that.

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are you familiar with "the jungle" by lewis? those at the top have never given the bottom anything, its always about conflict. Are you familiar with the great estates being blown up by the royal marines in the 50's in england? The result of those on the bottom finally getting theirs.

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What they aare always planning.

How to lay claim to more of the worlds output.

It raises their "score" in the game they're playing and feeds their neurochemical addiction.

This is the pattern of history.

They've spent a lot of money on the "greed is good" PR campaign.

But it isn't.

Never has been.

Never ends well.

The meme that history is a battle between freedom and government is false.

Governments end up tools over time.

Tools wielded against us by the dopamine addicted.

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They are not spreading the "greed is good" meme.

They are spreading the exact opposite.

Why?

What is the end game of their massive effort?

Why are they investing 10's of billions to create ideological and cultural divides?

Answering that question for ones self will result in the epiphany everyone needs to have.

ocean515 said:

They are not spreading the "greed is good" meme.

They are spreading the exact opposite.

Why?

What is the end game of their massive effort?

Why are they investing 10's of billions to create ideological and cultural divides?

Answering that question for ones self will result in the epiphany everyone needs to have.

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Art of war. Divide and conquer.

But you can't deny the "greed is good" part.

They even rebranded themselves as "job creators", when they simply aren't. Maybe if they have to, but not to the point of all of them claiming the label.

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Art of war. Divide and conquer.

But you can't deny the "greed is good" part.

They even rebranded themselves as "job creators", when they simply aren't. Maybe if they have to, but not to the point of all of them claiming the label.

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Well, I can deny the "greed is good" part.

Is the dominate message today, greed is good, or is it "screw the 1 percenters"?

Who do you think is pushing this narrative?

It isn't the 99 percenters, they don't own the means of promoting it.

ocean515 said:

Well, I can deny the "greed is good" part.

Is the dominate message today, greed is good, or is it "screw the 1 percenters"?

Who do you think is pushing this narrative?

It isn't the 99 percenters, they don't own the means of promoting it.

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There are multiple "teams" of monied interests at work in the world.

And not all wealthy people are dopamine addled.

Persuasion can be done on the cheap. All it requires is the tools and internet access, so it doesn't really require wealth.

History clearly demonstrates that the wealthy tend to get out of control. The power hungry too.

This is a result of basic biology. "Getting" resources is strongly rewarded, as it increases likelihood of reproduction. "Leading" is as well. Strong leadership is therefore also rewarded. Risk taking too.

All of these rewards are addictive, and suffer the same problem all addictions do: tolerance.

So they always need more to get the same pleasurable feelings.

Looked at through this "lens" history since adoption of the sedentary lifestyle demonstrates a clear pattern. Those at the top take more, impose their will more, take bigger and bigger risks. Until their behavior becomes untenable for the majority and the majority forces them to stop, by a variety of means, from political to violence.

This pattern will repeat until we acknowledge this and address it.

ocean515 said:

Alright. So what changed? How did the two parties get to this level of rancor?

Today is no different than the past, as they still represent different views on how to accomplish the same goal.

Yet, finding common ground appears to be an impossible task.

Why?

The answer to that question is key, and that is what I was referencing when I suggested you dig for the string pullers. Follow the money, follow the influence peddling, follow the "bribes".

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They got here because thats what happens when you allow factions to gain power. We were warned at the beginning of our country the dangers of factions in the government by some of the founders themselves.

Think oif it this way: Communism will never work because the design makes it easy for corruption to thrive. Political parties are the same way, their existence in our government gives those "sting pullers" the ability to corrupt our government. Political parties allow factions to gain power and spread within our government. Going after the "string pullers" is necessary, but will never stop the problem. If you do not want the extreme left to take over America the first step would be to take away their ability to influence our government. Right now the easiest way to take over the USA is to spew propaganda and convert Americans into anti-Americans. The far left and right are in it for the long game. Todays Republican and Democrat parties are the direct effect of those long games. Thats how come both parties have become what they are are. The red threat was real and the threat of nazism was real and both threats have gained ground persistently.

calamity said:

Gotta wonder if Trump will go nuclear before he goes down. Will he try to fire Mueller, will that cause Kelly to quit? Will Trump resign before this gets really bad?



One thing about Don, he is hard to predict. Smart person would take his toys and go home. I'm not sure Trump is all that smart.

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I vote for non of the above but I realize that you couldn't consider that option due to your extreme partisanship.

Moderate Right said:

I vote for non of the above but I realize that you couldn't consider that option due to your extreme partisanship.

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If that was true, I would have voted for Hillary or Colonel Sanders. Instead I voted for Kasich.

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There are multiple "teams" of monied interests at work in the world.

And not all wealthy people are dopamine addled.

Persuasion can be done on the cheap. All it requires is the tools and internet access, so it doesn't really require wealth.

History clearly demonstrates that the wealthy tend to get out of control. The power hungry too.

This is a result of basic biology. "Getting" resources is strongly rewarded, as it increases likelihood of reproduction. "Leading" is as well. Strong leadership is therefore also rewarded. Risk taking too.

All of these rewards are addictive, and suffer the same problem all addictions do: tolerance.

So they always need more to get the same pleasurable feelings.

Looked at through this "lens" history since adoption of the sedentary lifestyle demonstrates a clear pattern. Those at the top take more, impose their will more, take bigger and bigger risks. Until their behavior becomes untenable for the majority and the majority forces them to stop, by a variety of means, from political to violence.

This pattern will repeat until we acknowledge this and address it.

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I would suggest you look to who is funding the websites and groups pushing the "1% suck" meme.

Who is funding sites like ThinkProgress, or Huffington Post? Who is supporting the huge field of liberal/progressive websites?

Who is writing the checks to keep operations like the Brennan Center going, or the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities?

Who are the major backers of liberal programming that dominates NPR and PBS?

Who is helping organize and motivate groups seeking to drive an overly aggressive ideological and cultural wedge between people?

Unless people pull the curtains back on their own and objectively seek to learn who is pulling the strings, they will never acknowledge and address it, and they certainly won't be able to see the reason why.

ocean515 said:

I would suggest you look to who is funding the websites and groups pushing the "1% suck" meme.

Who is funding sites like ThinkProgress, or Huffington Post? Who is supporting the huge field of liberal/progressive websites?

Who is writing the checks to keep operations like the Brennan Center going, or the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities?

Who are the major backers of liberal programming that dominates NPR and PBS?

Who is helping organize and motivate groups seeking to drive an overly aggressive ideological and cultural wedge between people?

Unless people pull the curtains back on their own and objectively seek to learn who is pulling the strings, they will never acknowledge and address it, and they certainly won't be able to see the reason why.

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The conservative side has their expensive media machine.

All that is owned by the same couple folks.

And the left has one too.

Who do you think paid for the focus groups that came up with "job creators" for instance. Luntz uses it to advertise his services.

Ever think its possible that some people with money don't agree with your side?

I'm sure you support CU.

Want to stop what you decry?

Get money out of politics.

Address "persuasion pollution" in our society.

I doubt you believe your side shouldn't be doing it. You just want to disarm the other.

I want both disarmed.

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The conservative side has their expensive media machine.

All that is owned by the same couple folks.

And the left has one too.

Who do you think paid for the focus groups that came up with "job creators" for instance. Luntz uses it to advertise his services.

Ever think its possible that some people with money don't agree with your side?

I'm sure you support CU.

Want to stop what you decry?

Get money out of politics.

Address "persuasion pollution" in our society.

I doubt you believe your side shouldn't be doing it. You just want to disarm the other.

I want both disarmed.

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I want all identity politics stopped. The culture war is an invention.

You discredit yourself and your message by assuming I just want one side to be "disarmed".

Further, you expose the impact of this messaging by applying a prejudice against me and what you perceive to be my beliefs, despite no evidence such belief exist in me.

Nobody should have a problem with a message like "job creators". It's a jingle created in hopes of selling a candidate and has nothing to do with the serious matters being created to foment chaos and hate.

Read an interesting article here (Trump’s Very Bad Week: Mueller Enlists the Help of Special IRS Investigators) that hints at the possibility that Meuller, now armed with the super-IRS group known as the CI, is not only aiming for Trump&Co. but also the Russian money in the US funding these so-called political operations.

But if Mueller already has enough information on Trump to get the IRS’s CI division involved (which only takes on slam dunk cases, by the way), is it possible that they’re going after others?

Is it possible that they’re trying to take down not just one man, Trump, but all the illegal Russian money in the US?

After all, the US is a haven for Russian mobsters to hide their money—they’ve reportedly placed their trillions of dollars in various shell corporations and property in the US.

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In that way, Trump will go first, but in a movie (not so movie) way, Mueller could get suicided by Russian agents.