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Nissan workers reject United Auto Workers in Mississippi

katzgar said:
Trumps numbers are in the toilet because people are realizing what a fraud he is.
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This is a thread about workers voting not to join a union. You are obsessed with being a lefty and obsessed with being anti-Trump. We live in a democracy and these workers democratically voted to not be in a union. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
Having trouble understanding why workers themselves would vote not to unionize, aren't you? The only answer is to insult them as being mindless Trumpbots.
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Oh I understand completely there's a reason why Southerners are so poor compared to the rest of the country and coincidentally they also voted for Trump
 
This is fairly typical. NISSAN motors established that plant in 2003. Since they opened their doors they have offered a steadily increasing workforce strong pay and benefits. In 2015 the average worker at NISSAN Canton made $44 an hour in pay and benefits. This are essentially unskilled labor positions. The vast majorty of their workers are happy...very happy...with their jobs. Several times now the UAW has tried to shoehorn its way into the plant and the workforce has rejected them. Perhaps its because they understand that the UAW will absorb in dues whatever 'gains' they promise. Perhaps its because they dont want the UAW to do to NISSAN CANTON what they have done to the auto industry in Detroit. Perhaps its just because they ****ing love their jobs and dont want a bunch of disconnected out of state political hacks coming in and putting their very livelihood at risk.
 
Moderate Right said:
Guess you didn't understand the OP where workers themselves voted to NOT be in a union.
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I read the OP and posts in this thread, that was why I wrote.

"While I don’t think you can call people that vote against unions in USA stupid. Because it can be several reasons for that. For example, propaganda from the company that at the same time you have Fox News and a lot of other right-wing propaganda channels, so it can be harder for unions that gotten weaker to fight that kind of propaganda.

Also, as understand you have also seen more temp jobs and other factors like that have led to less job security in USA. While without a job in USA you can lose access to basic things like health care. So, you can have workers that feel that they have no other choice then to obey the company."

Also, worker can believe the benefited and salaries are roughly the same being in or out of the union. Sometimes they even can be right thinking that. So why go against the will of the company many workers can think, especially with the other reasons I already mentioned.

That the problem with thinking like that is that if the company in the future don’t want to give raises to its workers or even cutting benefits or salaries that the workers don’t when have the union to fight for them. Also, workers may believe that they can trust and even like their bosses but those can quit and much worse bosses can come in and you then don’t have the help of the union. Also, even if workers like bosses their can arise conflicts there help from the union is needed.

Another problem with weaker unions with less members, is that it leads to that they have less power to negotiate salaries and benefits and fight for the workers. So, less workers can see the benefit of being in the union, thereby creating a vicious circle. That you can see it in today’s USA with both stagnated real wages and less job security while at the same time weak unions.
 
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VanceMack said:
This is fairly typical. NISSAN motors established that plant in 2003. Since they opened their doors they have offered a steadily increasing workforce strong pay and benefits. In 2015 the average worker at NISSAN Canton made $44 an hour in pay and benefits. This are essentially unskilled labor positions. The vast majorty of their workers are happy...very happy...with their jobs. Several times now the UAW has tried to shoehorn its way into the plant and the workforce has rejected them. Perhaps its because they understand that the UAW will absorb in dues whatever 'gains' they promise. Perhaps its because they dont want the UAW to do to NISSAN CANTON what they have done to the auto industry in Detroit. Perhaps its just because they ****ing love their jobs and dont want a bunch of disconnected out of state political hacks coming in and putting their very livelihood at risk.
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your post is incorrect. the average wage in Canton is $12.00 an hour. LaRouche Warns Nissan's Wage Killer: 'Mississippi Is Not Manchukuo' $12.00 an hour is a fortune to Mississippians.
 
VanceMack said:
Dood...read your own source. Its dated 2006. It doesnt discuss wages and benefits.

Oh...and then...READ your own ****ing source. Geee zus. DID you actually read the article you cited? Do you wonder why you have credibility issues?
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trying to rewrite the article just makes you look silly. Nissan has had a wage freeze in place so yeah the number is good.
 
katzgar said:
trying to rewrite the article just makes you look silly. Nissan has had a wage freeze in place so yeah the number is good.
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:lamo

Silly? You cited an article from 2006 based on the words on Lyndon LaRouche. You knw where LaRouche was heavily involved? Brazil. Mexico. Peru. Venezuela.

THATS your source. A committed Marxist that props up failed socialist regimes around the globe.

We're done.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Nissan workers reject United Auto Workers in Mississippi

"Workers at a Nissan assembly plant in Mississippi have voted against forming a union, adding to decades of futility by United Auto Workers organizers at foreign-owned auto plants in the American South.

Representatives of Nissan Motor Co. and the UAW said late Friday that 2,244 workers, or 62 percent, voted against the UAW, while 1,307, or 38 percent, favored the union. Company spokeswoman Parul Bajaj said employees' voice has been heard. "They have rejected the UAW and chosen to self-represent, continuing the direct relationship they enjoy with the company," she said in a statement. "Our expectation is that the UAW will respect and abide by their decision and cease their efforts to divide our Nissan family.""​

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"PoorIf the labor board rules in favor of the charges, the board could order a fresh election. Among the claims: Nissan provided a faulty contact list to the union, it caused a contract worker to be filed because of his union support, and a manager told workers July 28 that they would lose benefits it they voted for a union.

UAW Secretary-Treasurer Gary Casteel had telegraphed the move Monday, when he alleged illegal activity by the company. "Despite claiming for years to be neutral on the question of a union, Nissan waged one of the most illegal and unethical anti-union campaigns that I've seen in my lifetime," Casteel said in a statement Friday.

Nissan spokeswoman Parul Bajaj said the company lived up to its obligations in providing the list. She generally denied the other charges. "The UAW is again launching baseless and unsubstantiated allegations against Nissan Canton in a desperate, last-minute attempt to undermine the integrity of the secret ballot voting process," Bajaj said in a statement.

The labor board has already issued a complaint against Nissan alleging other labor law violations that predate the election, but a judge has yet to rule on those. A decision on the new charges could be months or years away.

The union also could try to encourage a backlash against Nissan outside the United States, where it has tried to build pressure on the company through unions at other plants and supporters in the French government, which owns nearly 20 percent of the Renault Group, Nissan's business partner. The union said it would "educate" the French government about Nissan's anti-union campaign."​
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Poor unions. Everybody picks on them. Their government approved and enabled monopoly is coming unraveled. And that's a good thing.

And now the unions are going to "educate" the French using the same tactics that are failing in the US.

20% French ownership is not enough to prevent Nissan from moving manufacturing to Bangladesh.
 
Utility Man said:
The threat to the employer, treat your employees ****ty enough and they might just join a union.

Like it or not, the union served its purpose there, no ?
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The union served its purpose is past tense.
 
Utility Man said:
The threat to the employer, treat your employees ****ty enough and they might just join a union.

Like it or not, the union served its purpose there, no ?
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I agree 100%. If companies and employees can work together for the good of BOTH parties, there is no need for a union.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Silly? You cited an article from 2006 based on the words on Lyndon LaRouche. You knw where LaRouche was heavily involved? Brazil. Mexico. Peru. Venezuela.

THATS your source. A committed Marxist that props up failed socialist regimes around the globe.

We're done.
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and yet no proof the numbers are wrong. classic deplorable anti education post.
 
katzgar said:
and yet no proof the numbers are wrong. classic deplorable anti education post.
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Im sorry...I assumed you actually read the article cited in the OP and knew at least SOMETHING about what the **** you were talking about.

Seriously..I have to stop talking to you. 1...you are embarrassing yourself and I cant help but think part of that is my fault. 2-you keep posting STUPID **** and anything I say to you in response is going to start sounding like its a personal attack or insult and its really not...but when you post an article by Lyndon LaRouche of all people written in 2006...welll...come on...you just make yourself look bad. Really...I IMPLORE you. STOP. Think. Read what you have written. Read what you have posted. Read the stupid **** you keep putting on this board...you dont have to go far. Hell...start with post #32.

You know...you COULD have said "ooops...my bad. I was in a rush to refute your comment, didnt know what I was googling, and just posted the first thing I came to that I thought would prove my point and, just as I didnt bother reading the post to THIS thread, I didnt bother reading the article I was posting in response." OR you could have said "Ooooops...my bad...I thought that said 2016, not 2006." You could have said "Oh...hey..my bad dawg...I thought that was Bob Larouche...hes a local economics genius that I cite all the time and I thought that was him, not LYNDON ****ING LAROUCHE."

I bet if you had your way there would be a global initiative...a world "Workers Party" that would end all of this need to unionize individual shops...wouldnt you?
 
katzgar said:
yes, they get in the way of the drive to the bottom
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Sure that must be it. Nothing to do with union jobs going elsewhere. Either to RTW states or RTW countries. Nothing to do with forced contributions to campaigns the forcee didn't agree with. Nothing to do with years long strikes for a dime an hour increase in wages. Nothing to do with corrupt union officials.
 
katzgar said:
yes, they get in the way of the drive to the bottom
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Only you would see a non-unionized plant that employs approx 5,000 people at an average wage/benefit package of $44 an hour and that contributes MILLIONS to the local economy and to state scholarships as a 'drive to the bottom'.
 
VanceMack said:
Im sorry...I assumed you actually read the article cited in the OP and knew at least SOMETHING about what the **** you were talking about.

Seriously..I have to stop talking to you. 1...you are embarrassing yourself and I cant help but think part of that is my fault. 2-you keep posting STUPID **** and anything I say to you in response is going to start sounding like its a personal attack or insult and its really not...but when you post an article by Lyndon LaRouche of all people written in 2006...welll...come on...you just make yourself look bad. Really...I IMPLORE you. STOP. Think. Read what you have written. Read what you have posted. Read the stupid **** you keep putting on this board...you dont have to go far. Hell...start with post #32.

You know...you COULD have said "ooops...my bad. I was in a rush to refute your comment, didnt know what I was googling, and just posted the first thing I came to that I thought would prove my point and, just as I didnt bother reading the post to THIS thread, I didnt bother reading the article I was posting in response." OR you could have said "Ooooops...my bad...I thought that said 2016, not 2006." You could have said "Oh...hey..my bad dawg...I thought that was Bob Larouche...hes a local economics genius that I cite all the time and I thought that was him, not LYNDON ****ING LAROUCHE."

I bet if you had your way there would be a global initiative...a world "Workers Party" that would end all of this need to unionize individual shops...wouldnt you?
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So you're not proving anything you're just calling names classic deplorable
 
VanceMack said:
Only you would see a non-unionized plant that employs approx 5,000 people at an average wage/benefit package of $44 an hour and that contributes MILLIONS to the local economy and to state scholarships as a 'drive to the bottom'.
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Is $44 an hour crap is getting old obviously it's not true.
 
katzgar said:
So you're not proving anything you're just calling names classic deplorable
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Prove what...that you didnt even read the article cited in the OP? Yes...we have proven that.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
My country Sweden have had real wage increase thanks to strong unions and collective agreements.

https://translate.google.se/transla...lloneutveckling---internationellt/&edit-text=

http://www.lo.se/english/the_collective_agreement

While USA that gotten weaker union instead have seen stagnated and even declining real wage for workers during the last couple of decades.

For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades | Pew Research Center

Sweden also combine strong unions with a strong economy, like for example Sweden is the best country for business according to Forbes.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...ost-other-countries-at-just-about-everything/

While I don’t think you can call people that vote against unions in USA stupid. Because it can be several reasons for that. For example, propaganda from the company that at the same time you have Fox News and a lot of other right-wing propaganda channels, so it can be harder for unions that gotten weaker to fight that kind of propaganda.

Also, as understand you have also seen more temp jobs and other factors like that have led to less job security in USA. While without a job in USA you can lose access to basic things like health care. So, you can have workers that feel that they have no other choice then to obey the company.
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stop making sense. your assessment of the situation in the US is fairly accurate. needless to say, you'll never convince the union haters here; i stopped trying a while ago. it's easier to let them believe anything they want to.

i don't see that the situation is fixable here, at least in some states. in my own state, they've made it pretty useless to unionize. we're "right to work" and fire at will, so the unions have no teeth and they would probably just flat out fire you if you tried to start one.
 
katzgar said:
"OK, all things REBEL are being erased, that is a start, but only just." This post is just a good old fashioned lie. No god fearing northerner will ever let southerners forget how stupid and traitorous the rebels were.
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Yeah... you're not helping with ignorant well off-topic rants like this.
 
katzgar said:
Is $44 an hour crap is getting old obviously it's not true.
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If you cant bother to read article cited in the OP and if you insist on clinging to an article written in 2006 with material from socialist that has contributed to the demise of civilization in central and south America...theres really not much more to say, is there?
 
VanceMack said:
If you cant bother to read article cited in the OP and if you insist on clinging to an article written in 2006 with material from socialist that has contributed to the demise of civilization in central and south America...theres really not much more to say, is there?
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The only thing left to say is the right-wing desire to pay Mexican level wages in the US economy is going to destroy the US economy
 
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