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The need to abolish Police unions

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This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.

In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.

Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q

This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.

In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.

Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....

Unions paid for by "tax dollars?"

The Unions are paid for by members, and where applicable, fair-share employees...from THEIR wages.

What "Tax dollars" are involved? :confused:
 
Unions paid for by "tax dollars?"

The Unions are paid for by members, and where applicable, fair-share employees...from THEIR wages.

What "Tax dollars" are involved? :confused:

Well, when they negotiate higher wages, with the danger of a strike as a result, then....
 
While I agree that the police do indeed get away with to much, I can't begrudge them their union. Because there is a flipside to the coin, unions protect the majority of cops who play by the rules from people who don't. I wouldn't begrudge a surgeon malpractice insurance, or a murderer adequate legal council at his own trial. So I can't sign off on taking officers right to unionize. Now we can address specific concerns you may have about the unions, which policies are necessary and which aren't. There is always room for improvement, especially with unions.
 
Unions paid for by "tax dollars?"

The Unions are paid for by members, and where applicable, fair-share employees...from THEIR wages.

What "Tax dollars" are involved? :confused:

And where do their wages come from??? Tax dollars.... follow the money.
 
While I agree that the police do indeed get away with to much, I can't begrudge them their union. Because there is a flipside to the coin, unions protect the majority of cops who play by the rules from people who don't. I wouldn't begrudge a surgeon malpractice insurance, or a murderer adequate legal council at his own trial. So I can't sign off on taking officers right to unionize. Now we can address specific concerns you may have about the unions, which policies are necessary and which aren't. There is always room for improvement, especially with unions.

The problem is they also protect the bad cops vs helping get rid of them.
 
While I agree that the police do indeed get away with to much, I can't begrudge them their union. Because there is a flipside to the coin, unions protect the majority of cops who play by the rules from people who don't. I wouldn't begrudge a surgeon malpractice insurance, or a murderer adequate legal council at his own trial. So I can't sign off on taking officers right to unionize. Now we can address specific concerns you may have about the unions, which policies are necessary and which aren't. There is always room for improvement, especially with unions.

Protect them from what? When you have a public union, the two sides are the government and the public. When the government puts its interests before the public interest then they are betraying the very trust we place in them.
The unions do not protect the government, they screw the American public.
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q

This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.

In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.

Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....

I've been saying for a while now that one of the steps to improving law enforcement is to get rid of police unions.
 
And where do their wages come from??? Tax dollars.... follow the money.

...and where do your profits/wages come from? At least some from government employees (and government purchases, welfare recipients, contractors, temporary government employees, etc.). So by extension according to your position...tax dollars. :coffeepap:
 
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...and where do your profits/wages come from? At least some from government employees. So by extension according to your position...tax dollars. :coffeepap:

You are being irrationally dishonest, but that is simply the liberal mindset.... My wages come from the voluntary purchase of goods and services in the free market, not the forced theft of tax dollars by the threat of violence.
 
I support private sector unions not public. I agree that police, teachers unions etc, should be abolished.

The reason is when negotiating wages with a private company, if the union demands are too high, the company fails and both the owners and workers lose. In a public union, the government has to go bankrupt for both parties to lose. There is no pressure to keep public union wages "fair." With private sector unions there is the profitability constraint.

And the problem of public sector pensions killing municipalities is a direct result of this.

Moreover, public unions don't make sense in a democracy. If you work for the government and you're a citizen then you're a worker and an owner.
 
You are being irrationally dishonest, but that is simply the liberal mindset.... My wages come from the voluntary purchase of goods and services in the free market, not the forced theft of tax dollars by the threat of violence.

Sooo, when the government worker "voluntarily purchases your goods and services" with his wages, or the government agency uses tax dollars to buy supplies or rent equipment from your "free market" business...they suddenly turn into "non-tax" dollars?

But those same wages earned by those same government workers paid into their unions...THOSE wages are still "tax dollars"???

Who's being "irrationally dishonest" now? :roll:
 
And where do their wages come from??? Tax dollars.... follow the money.

And do the wage earners not pay taxes themselves?
 
Sooo, when the government worker "voluntarily purchases your goods and services" with his wages, or the government agency uses tax dollars to buy supplies or rent equipment from your "free market" business...they suddenly turn into "non-tax" dollars?

But those same wages earned by those same government workers paid into their unions...THOSE wages are still "tax dollars"???

Who's being "irrationally dishonest" now? :roll:

So by your line of reasoning, once a dollar has been a tax dollar it remains a tax dollar forever? Is that your logic? If it is, it is terribly flawed. A tax dollar is what the GOVERNMENT does with the dollar it stole from the taxpayer. Since the union is basically part of the government system, it is simply another government expenditure paid for by the taxpayer.
 
So by your line of reasoning, once a dollar has been a tax dollar it remains a tax dollar forever? Is that your logic? If it is, it is terribly flawed. A tax dollar is what the GOVERNMENT does with the dollar it stole from the taxpayer. Since the union is basically part of the government system, it is simply another government expenditure paid for by the taxpayer.

Nooo... :no:

that is apparently YOUR logic.

How else do you explain calling wages earned by government workers spent on unions "tax dollars" but those same wages spent buying your products "non-tax dollars?"

Aren't those welfare checks used to buy your products "tax dollars?"

How about contractors who are paid "tax dollars" to do government projects who buy your products?

When do they stop being "tax dollars" to YOU?

To me, once expended in wages, welfare payments, and contract fees...they turn into personal income just like those profits in your business.
 
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You are being irrationally dishonest, but that is simply the liberal mindset.... My wages come from the voluntary purchase of goods and services in the free market, not the forced theft of tax dollars by the threat of violence.

lol Captain Adverse has a liberal mindset? He's the only Trump supporter on here that even comes close to defending that loon with any effectiveness. So that jab is a swing and a miss.
 
I support private sector unions not public. I agree that police, teachers unions etc, should be abolished.

The reason is when negotiating wages with a private company, if the union demands are too high, the company fails and both the owners and workers lose. In a public union, the government has to go bankrupt for both parties to lose. There is no pressure to keep public union wages "fair." With private sector unions there is the profitability constraint.

And the problem of public sector pensions killing municipalities is a direct result of this.

Moreover, public unions don't make sense in a democracy. If you work for the government and you're a citizen then you're a worker and an owner.

So if you work for the state or Feds, you're not entitled to be represented? You don't think governments as employers take advantage of their workers like the private sector? The majority of government jobs are lower waged than the comparable private sector position. A big reason people take a thankless position in a state or fed workforce is for the benefits, not the salary.

A salary that is taxed at the same rate as a salary in the private sector.
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q

This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.

In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.

Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....

All public sector unions needs to be abolished.
 
So by your line of reasoning, once a dollar has been a tax dollar it remains a tax dollar forever? Is that your logic? If it is, it is terribly flawed. A tax dollar is what the GOVERNMENT does with the dollar it stole from the taxpayer. Since the union is basically part of the government system, it is simply another government expenditure paid for by the taxpayer.

No, it is not. It is paid for by their members just like a private Union.
 
Nooo... :no:

that is apparently YOUR logic.

How else do you explain calling wages earned by government workers spent on unions "tax dollars" but those same wages spent buying your products "non-tax dollars?"

Aren't those welfare checks used to buy your products "tax dollars?"

How about contractors who are paid "tax dollars" to do government projects who buy your products?

When do they stop being "tax dollars" to YOU?

To me, once expended in wages, welfare payments, and contract fees...they turn into personal income just like those profits in your business.

OK you are now obviously trolling, stop trying to derail the topic or I will report your actions.
 
lol Captain Adverse has a liberal mindset? He's the only Trump supporter on here that even comes close to defending that loon with any effectiveness. So that jab is a swing and a miss.

Most Republicans are liberals... they simply support tyranny for different reasons. True conservatives are libertarians. Now you know the difference. You are welcome.
 
No, it is not. It is paid for by their members just like a private Union.

That is not the issue, stop trying to derail the thread.
 
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