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The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left.

MrWonka said:
This is like the 5th time I've had to explain this to you numbskulls this week, but I guess I'll do it again.

The key component of fascism is nationalism. Fascist use your patriotism against you. They convince you that it's okay to do unspeakable things to others so long as you're doing it in the name of god and country. They try and convince you that your race, culture, religion and or country are superior to all others, and that it is under attack by outsiders who need to be expelled or exterminated to save it.

The alt-right is literally brimming with actual Nazi's, klan members, skinheads, and other white supremacists. The notion that the racist south which supported Trump has magically caught up to, and surpassed their more open minded northern brothers and sisters when it comes to moral superiority is laughable.

Your entire book could be summarized by simply saying "nuh-uh, you are!" You're just taking words that accurately describe yourselves perfectly and desperately trying to accuse your opponents of it. It's not going to work.
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Nationalism is nothing more than Pride in one own country. It is not a defining trait of either Right or the Left. The USSR, Communist China, Cuba and North Korea are/were all extremely nationalist. Leftist hate Nationalism mostly because they want to change country’s form their existing Cultures/Government/Economics to Progressive/Liberal/Socialism. It’s impossible to get a people to agree to that change when they are proud (nationalistic) of their country as it is.

Racism is not a defining trait of the Right or Left. A hatred of Capitalism was the single biggest reason Hitler targeted the Jews. During Germanys, Great Depression they were pretty much the only businessmen doing well. That caused a lot of resentment and jealousy among most Germans during that time.

Hillary also had Klansmen endorse her. It doesn’t matter if racist endorsed Trump, he never endorsed them. Democrat on the other hand are still using Racial Hatred as political weapons, through groups like Black Lives Matter.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Henry Ford was a leftist? Other American "Titans of industry" who actively worked with old Adolf were leftists?

Hitler and Mussolini made a serious point of trying to exterminate "leftists" in their countries. Hitler literally went on a crusade against the bastion of "leftism" itself, the USSR.

Why are we supposed to believe anything pathological liars claim about themselves? And no, I haven't heard Bernie Sanders calling for any death camps, have you?

Oh, this is from the same site which wrote that ****ty piece of fanfiction about a military coup against Trump. That explains a lot.
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"Titans of industry" like Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump do their best to work with whoever oversees the country they want to do business in. It doesn’t mean they agree with them.

Mussolini killed almost none of his own countrymen. Hitler killed other Leftist for the same reason Stalin killed Trotsky. Not because they ideologically disagreed but because they were in competition for power over the same constituency.

Nope, I have never heard of Bernie Sanders call for “Death Camps.” But then Hitler never publicly did either.
 
Gotta have this thread at least a few times a year.

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Casca XV said:
"Titans of industry" like Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump do their best to work with whoever oversees the country they want to do business in. It doesn’t mean they agree with them.

Mussolini killed almost none of his own countrymen. Hitler killed other Leftist for the same reason Stalin killed Trotsky. Not because they ideologically disagreed but because they were in competition for power over the same constituency.

Nope, I have never heard of Bernie Sanders call for “Death Camps.” But then Hitler never publicly did either.
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Only problem, buddy, is that Hitler singles Ford out as a "great individualist and great Anti-Semite".

Henry Ford - RationalWiki

Ford 'used slave labour' in Nazi German plants - Telegraph

Ford also wrote a anti-Semitic book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_antisemitism

Heinrich Himmler described Ford as "one of our most valuable, important and witty fighters".

So no, it's pretty clear that ole Henry whole heartedly agreed with the Nazis.

Are you joking? Mussolini made sure Italian corpses could be found from Russia to Greece to the South of France to Ethiopia. He ended up costing his country it's colonial empire, and left Italy a burnt out husk.

Hitler wasn't a leftist in the first place. He literally created an organization of states dedicated to fighting "leftism".

A rather sad copout attempt from you.
 
DamnYankee said:
Actually it's conservatism that means freedom since I have not met any conservatives who are totalitarian, only leftists. Most of whom tell me I have no right to speak freely or have an opinion other than those they approve of.

I'm going with D'Souza on this. He's far smarter than any of the leftist here on DP.
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Wrong. Free speech?? Reproductive rights?? Bathrooms?? Sexual orientation?? Remind me which party that wants to control all that??
 
Yes, Nazi's are liberals, and so is the KKK. And MLK and Lincoln were conservatives. Where have I heard this tripe before.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Who is first to try to deny Muslims into the country? Who automatically supports the police when one of them shoots a kid? Which president has told followers "get him, punch his light s out...I'll cover legal bills.

As usual the American right doesn't even know itself. Based on Trump's victory I would say that Americans of the right are the most paranoid and distrustful on the planet.

And finally I have never heard a liberal demand more policing or more soldiers. I have never heard a liberal demand bans on people because of their faith.

American Republicans are afraid of their own shadow thus crating more and more paranoia
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:applaud
 
DamnYankee said:
Actually it's conservatism that means freedom since I have not met any conservatives who are totalitarian, only leftists. Most of whom tell me I have no right to speak freely or have an opinion other than those they approve of.

I'm going with D'Souza on this. He's far smarter than any of the leftist here on DP.
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So Franco, Pinochet, Hitler, Mussolini, Marcos ... "leftists" all?

D'Souza is a smart man but is also a miserable hack.

Please link to the posts where people have told you that you "have no right to speak freely or have an opinion other than those they approve of."
 
Casca XV said:
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/books/the-big-lie/

"The Big Lie" by Dinesh D'Souza | As Seen On | Fox & Friends | Fox News

https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2017/07/31/the-big-lie-n2353496

This is an outstanding book.

It really points out with fact that Hitler and Mussolini were Leftist. Take an economic/political speech from either, update the terminology and you have Bernie Sanders on the stump.

Hitler and Mussolini called themselves Socialists hundreds of times.

It shows how American Leftist have spent the last 60 years rewriting history.

That Fascism is not an actual ideology it's a method/tatic. Today the only people in America practicing this tactic are Leftists.

Left vs Right is not about Communism vs Capitalism. It's about Total Government Control vs Individual Freedom. The only relation is that Communism and Socialism can not exist or function without a total Government Controlled Society AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.
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:lamo

Keep on ****in' that chicken.
 
MrWonka said:
This is like the 5th time I've had to explain this to you numbskulls this week, but I guess I'll do it again.

The key component of fascism is nationalism. Fascist use your patriotism against you. They convince you that it's okay to do unspeakable things to others so long as you're doing it in the name of god and country. They try and convince you that your race, culture, religion and or country are superior to all others, and that it is under attack by outsiders who need to be expelled or exterminated to save it.

The alt-right is literally brimming with actual Nazi's, klan members, skinheads, and other white supremacists. The notion that the racist south which supported Trump has magically caught up to, and surpassed their more open minded northern brothers and sisters when it comes to moral superiority is laughable.

Your entire book could be summarized by simply saying "nuh-uh, you are!" You're just taking words that accurately describe yourselves perfectly and desperately trying to accuse your opponents of it. It's not going to work.
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When right-wing nutjobs start saying "well, it's really the left that is (x)," it is always, always, ALWAYS projection that would make the guy who invented IMAX proud.
 
Deuce said:
The right-wing attempts to pretend "left" means "authoritarian" and "right" means "freedom" continues to provide amusement.
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Far-right crazies imagine the political spectrum as a straight line, where more freedom is "right" and less freedom is "left." It's basically how children view politics, except far less nuanced.
 
Kobie said:
Far-right crazies imagine the political spectrum as a straight line, where more freedom is "right" and less freedom is "left." It's basically how children view politics, except far less nuanced.
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And there is a sticky Political Compass thread in this forum. Obviously they never visited.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
And there is a sticky Political Compass thread in this forum. Obviously they never visited.
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No, they just think it's all liberal hooey. In their addled minds, there's no such thing as right-wing (insert anything bad). ALL problems, ALL dictatorships, ALL anything bad that's ever existed are exclusive province of "the left." These are people who know nothing except what assholes like Dinesh D'Souza tell them while they pocket their money. They're the stupidest people in the world.
 
The key component of fascism is authoritarianism and the suppression of rights. This is why you lefties fail so hard. You don't understand your own ideology.


MrWonka said:
This is like the 5th time I've had to explain this to you numbskulls this week, but I guess I'll do it again.

The key component of fascism is nationalism. Fascist use your patriotism against you. They convince you that it's okay to do unspeakable things to others so long as you're doing it in the name of god and country. They try and convince you that your race, culture, religion and or country are superior to all others, and that it is under attack by outsiders who need to be expelled or exterminated to save it.

The alt-right is literally brimming with actual Nazi's, klan members, skinheads, and other white supremacists. The notion that the racist south which supported Trump has magically caught up to, and surpassed their more open minded northern brothers and sisters when it comes to moral superiority is laughable.

Your entire book could be summarized by simply saying "nuh-uh, you are!" You're just taking words that accurately describe yourselves perfectly and desperately trying to accuse your opponents of it. It's not going to work.
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MrWonka said:
This is like the 5th time I've had to explain this to you numbskulls this week, but I guess I'll do it again.

The key component of fascism is nationalism. Fascist use your patriotism against you. They convince you that it's okay to do unspeakable things to others so long as you're doing it in the name of god and country. They try and convince you that your race, culture, religion and or country are superior to all others, and that it is under attack by outsiders who need to be expelled or exterminated to save it.

The alt-right is literally brimming with actual Nazi's, klan members, skinheads, and other white supremacists. The notion that the racist south which supported Trump has magically caught up to, and surpassed their more open minded northern brothers and sisters when it comes to moral superiority is laughable.

Your entire book could be summarized by simply saying "nuh-uh, you are!" You're just taking words that accurately describe yourselves perfectly and desperately trying to accuse your opponents of it. It's not going to work.
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I have read a lot about the Nazis. I am not familiar with any kind of social programs they supported. I should look into that. However, they only thought ethnic Germans should benefit from any gains the Third Reich made. They exploited East Europeans, and every country they invaded. The practically terrorised and murdered anybody who was not an ethnic German, and plundered the riches everywhere they invaded. Their economy, educational system, and social life revovled around war, dedication, and loyalty to the leader. Hitler also hated Marxism and Communism. It was believed that Facism would be the alternative to Communism. Coming out of WWI, empires and monarchies were swept away. Europeans didn't want kings or queens.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Henry Ford was a leftist? Other American "Titans of industry" who actively worked with old Adolf were leftists?

Hitler and Mussolini made a serious point of trying to exterminate "leftists" in their countries. Hitler literally went on a crusade against the bastion of "leftism" itself, the USSR.

Why are we supposed to believe anything pathological liars claim about themselves? And no, I haven't heard Bernie Sanders calling for any death camps, have you?

Oh, this is from the same site which wrote that ****ty piece of fanfiction about a military coup against Trump. That explains a lot.
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I have read many times that Hitler wanted to destroy unions early on, because they would rebel against Facism. I am wondering why that was anticipated. It seems Hitler was not forthright and honest with the people in terms of his political plans, and I am not simply talking about the Holocaust either.
 
SheWolf said:
I have read many times that Hitler wanted to destroy unions early on, because they would rebel against Facism. I am wondering why that was anticipated. It seems Hitler was not forthright and honest with the people in terms of his political plans, and I am not simply talking about the Holocaust either.
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Adolf didn't like anything which could conceivably stand against his regime.
 
Casca XV said:
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/books/the-big-lie/

"The Big Lie" by Dinesh D'Souza | As Seen On | Fox & Friends | Fox News

https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2017/07/31/the-big-lie-n2353496

This is an outstanding book.

It really points out with fact that Hitler and Mussolini were Leftist. Take an economic/political speech from either, update the terminology and you have Bernie Sanders on the stump.

Hitler and Mussolini called themselves Socialists hundreds of times.

It shows how American Leftist have spent the last 60 years rewriting history.

That Fascism is not an actual ideology it's a method/tatic. Today the only people in America practicing this tactic are Leftists.

Left vs Right is not about Communism vs Capitalism. It's about Total Government Control vs Individual Freedom. The only relation is that Communism and Socialism can not exist or function without a total Government Controlled Society AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.
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This is what happens when blind partisan conservatives only read other blind partisan conservatives: they become ignorant on history and ideology. That is what we see in the post above... right wing partisan hackery that causes ignorance on history.

Let me educate you. Mussolini is known as "The Father of Modern Fascism". What he said about Fascism is in his book, The Doctrine of Fascim. I have commented on this and attempted to educate blindly partisan conservatives on this issue in the past, so I will repost how I've done that. It is up to you as to whether you become educated or remain ignorant on this issue:

CaptainCourtesy said:
You might want to read some original works by Mussolini. He was the "father" of modern fascism, and he stated that fascism is completely opposed to socialism and liberalism. Apparently YOU didn't know this particular fact. Here are some quotes from The Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini:

"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism"
"Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere."
"The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism"

Mussolini* - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

I always enjoy watching right wingers attempt to paint fascism as a left wing ideology... and have that erroneous belief blown apart by the guy who developed the ideology in the 20th Century.
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So, as we can see, the guy who CREATED modern fascism, stated clearly that it was anti-socialist and anti-liberal. Fascism is about control. And all conservatives want is control, control over what people do, where they live, and who lives where. Hence, fascism is a conservative ideology.
 
DamnYankee said:
Actually it's conservatism that means freedom since I have not met any conservatives who are totalitarian, only leftists. Most of whom tell me I have no right to speak freely or have an opinion other than those they approve of.

I'm going with D'Souza on this. He's far smarter than any of the leftist here on DP.
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Most of the conservatives I've met are totalitarian. Telling people who they can marry, who they can associate with, how they can present, what they can say. Never met a liberal who did any of those things. So, I'm realizing that D'Souza is just as misinformed an ignorant on the topic as many of the conservatives on this site.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Not really necessary. D'Souza is a discredited and quite delusional hack. On the same level as David Barton.

People who cite him aren't usually emotionally mature enough to know that.
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Discredited how? I have seen a lot of useless ad hominem attacks like this against D'Souza. But I have never seen someone including expert historians factually dispute him and win the argument, and I have looked. If you have something of substance show it.
 
Casca XV said:
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/books/the-big-lie/

"The Big Lie" by Dinesh D'Souza | As Seen On | Fox & Friends | Fox News

https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2017/07/31/the-big-lie-n2353496

This is an outstanding book.

It really points out with fact that Hitler and Mussolini were Leftist. Take an economic/political speech from either, update the terminology and you have Bernie Sanders on the stump.

Hitler and Mussolini called themselves Socialists hundreds of times.

It shows how American Leftist have spent the last 60 years rewriting history.

That Fascism is not an actual ideology it's a method/tatic. Today the only people in America practicing this tactic are Leftists.

Left vs Right is not about Communism vs Capitalism. It's about Total Government Control vs Individual Freedom. The only relation is that Communism and Socialism can not exist or function without a total Government Controlled Society AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.
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Fascism is one of the four "ism" ideologies/philosophies that arose mid-19th century: capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism. Each exists along a political spectrum from left to right. The post above comes from the right end of the spectrum as it is classic fascism.



What is Fascism?

A. Scholarly Definitions of Fascism

The best definitions of fascism come from the recent writings of scholars who have devoted years to the study of fascist movements and have identified the key attributes that distinguish fascism from simple authoritarianism.


1. Michael Mann

Michael Mann is an historical sociologist and Professor of Sociology at UCLA. In his book Fascists (Cambridge University Press, 2004) he provides the following definition:

“Fascism is the pursuit of a transcendent and cleansing nation-statism through paramilitarism.” (Mann, op. cit., p. 13)

Definition of terms:

Transcendence: Belief that the state can transcend social conflict and blend all social classes into a harmonious whole. Belief in the power of political ideology to transcend human nature and produce a better world.

Cleansing (ethnic): Favoring one or more ethnic or racial groups over others, either by granting special privileges or imposing disabilities; deportation of ethnic minorities, or worse.

Cleansing (political): Silencing the political opposition so that the transcendent aims of fascism can be realized. Restricting the freedom of speech, outlawing opposition parties, imprisoning political opponents (or worse) and indoctrinating youth in fascist principles.

Statism: Promoting a high degree of state intervention in personal, social, or economic matters. Belief that the state can accomplish anything.

Nationalism: Belief in the inherent unity of a population with distinct linguistic, physical, or cultural characteristics and its identification with a nation-state. Belief that the nation possesses special attributes that make it superior to other nations in some or all ways.

· Paramilitarism: "Grass roots", populist squadrism aimed at coercing opponents and obtaining popular approbation by acting as a supplementary police force.



Conflation

a. Elements deemed essential by all authors

All three authors agree that statism, nationalism , unity, authoritarianism, and vigor are essential elements of fascism.

Fascism: The Ultimate Definition



The word fascism originates from the Italian word fasces which is an axe bundled by sticks....

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We knew it all along eh.



The Big Truth is that to say fascism is a means or a tactic rather than a political ideology and philosophy -- a world view -- is to render it and all of the "ism" philosophies meaningless. In a word, nihilist -- to practice nihilism.

Practice makes perfect.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, Nazi Germany was "leftist" because they used the word "socialist." Much like the Peoples' Democratic Republic of Korea is an accurate use of any of those ****in words.
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Leftist do that a lot. North Korea calling itself a "Democratic Republic" is like Obama calling Obamacare "Affordable", a total lie. Nazis being Leftist conclusion is based more on their actions and policies more than what Hitler said.
 
cuban smokes said:
IMO it really matters not what political affiliation any authoritarian regime may be connected to

authoritarian regimes desire to take power from the people, and if said regime(s) actually does in fact take freedoms away from the people it governs, I am confident those that are oppressed would not really care what political affiliation their oppressors are guided by

oppression is oppression, period; it matters not what flag it comes wrapped in, a Nazi flag, or a Trump bumper sticker ...............
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Except that every relevant action and policy from Trump reduces the power of the Federal Government. The 100% opposite of an Authoritarian or Oppressor.
 
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