• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Is the "Deep State" transforming Trump into little more than a figurehead?

katzgar said:
Issues probation Trump is on one hand pandering to his base and on the other hand trying to govern so you have this contradiction going on all the time
Click to expand...

For those who know how, pandering to the base is usually done with harsh rhetoric on one hand while governing, doing what one has to do on the other.
 
katzgar said:
The so-called deep State doesn't exist if you get off your ass and appoint your own people
Click to expand...

That requires people with the courage to stand up for themselves. We have not had that kind of bravery in this country for a long time.
 
Perotista said:
For those who know how, pandering to the base is usually done with harsh rhetoric on one hand while governing, doing what one has to do on the other.
Click to expand...

Talented politicians (see Clinton and to an extent, Reagan) can use dog whistle language in subtle ways. The base will hear it but most others will be oblivious. Trump has no clue how to do that.
 
Perotista said:
Interesting. Trump does have this habit of saying one thing one day followed by the complete opposite the next. With all the attention on Trump, doing things behind the scene is very possible. It is very possible that Trump wanted to be president just to bask in the limelight and not really govern. That may be why Pence accepted the VP slot, to let Trump have the limelight and he governs.

Same for the other Department heads, run their departments as they want regardless of what Trump says.
Click to expand...

Yes, Trump is really "basking" at a 37% approval rating. But I do agree that there is much happening behind the scenes vis a vis, financial and environmental deregulation.
 
Gaius46 said:
Has the President actually put forth a real policy recently? And tweets don't count.
Click to expand...

Captain Adverse said:
Well...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...o-transgender-individuals-military/511858001/

So, yeah...apparently so.
Click to expand...

He tweets a policy? Even though there were discussions prior to the tweets, I don't see any indication of an actual policy that was put forth.

From the USA Today article:
It’s unclear how Trump's tweets will affect the estimated 6,000 transgender troops who are already in the military. Under the policy announced in July 2016, those troops were allowed to serve openly. Prior to that, the military discharged them for medical reasons.

It's also uncertain whether a series of tweets constitute a presidential directive, and whether Trump must sign documents to make the new policy effective.

After the tweets, the Pentagon issued a statement saying only that it would work with the White House "to address the new guidance" provided by the president.
Click to expand...
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Talented politicians (see Clinton and to an extent, Reagan) can use dog whistle language in subtle ways. The base will hear it but most others will be oblivious. Trump has no clue how to do that.
Click to expand...

Exactly. Reagan and Bill Clinton also could connect with the people. The only one better was FDR, but what all three said, people tended to believe almost every word. Those three had the persona of believability and connectivity. Trump isn't believable at all except for his avid supporters. Trump's persona grates on people, he give the impression of a bull in a china shop.
 
lurchadams said:
Yes, Trump is really "basking" at a 37% approval rating. But I do agree that there is much happening behind the scenes vis a vis, financial and environmental deregulation.
Click to expand...

It's his, Trump's personality and bullying that is driving support away from him. Independents at the end of January were giving Trump a 48% approval rating, today that is down to 31%. Even Republican approval is down over the same time period from 90% to 75. What's interesting is independents seem pretty much divided on Trump's policies, approving of some, disapproving of other. But they are becoming united in their disapproval of his character, persona, personality, the constant need to be on the attack and create more and more needless feuds.

Trump is Trump's own worst enemy.

Most Voters Say Trump Is His Own Worst Enemy - Rasmussen Reports™
 
Gaius46 said:
But on the legislative front it's kind of hard to view the Russia sanctions bill as anything but the Congress ignoring the President's stupidity and inability to govern or formulate any kind of foreign policy, let alone one that actually reflects reality.
Click to expand...

Our president has been compromised by Russians so congress has to bypass him to enact sanctions against a hostile foreign government.

This is an unimaginable situation. And our electorate is too dumb to see how dangerous this situation is. The president of the United States should be working for Americans not his personal business interests or Russian interests.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Our president has been compromised by Russians so congress has to bypass him to enact sanctions against a hostile foreign government.

This is an unimaginable situation. And our electorate is too dumb to see how dangerous this situation is. The president of the United States should be working for Americans not his personal business interests or Russian interests.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I'm not willing - yet anyway - to go to the point where the President is compromised and actively working for Russian interests. I'll leave it as he's inept - or perhaps as Newsweek thinks he's bored and doesn't really want the job - for the time being.
 
These deep state professional government workers are criminals. What's the punishment for treason?
 
cabse5 said:
These deep state professional government workers are criminals. What's the punishment for treason?
Click to expand...

Ask Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Don Jr. They might find out in a few months.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom