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slo1111 said:
So now you are calling President Trump a liar. Go figure.
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where did i say anything about trump? no where so strawman argument. we are discussing congressional procedure.

The irony here is that you implied that I didn't know anything about Senate procedures and here you make the claim that the nuclear option can't be used to end a filibuster on a bill. That is fake news.
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this makes 0 sense. the nuclear option only applies to appointee's it has nothing to do with voting on legislation. so yes you are either confused or not that well informed of how the senate works.

It most certainly can be used, although it would be another blow to our democracy when the minority no longer has the power to force the majority to work with them in the Senate. It is a matter of presidence and hasn't been done because the majority knows one day they will be the minority.
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In order to get rid of the filibuster the senate would have to pass a new rule or change the existing one. No one in the senate is willing to do that because they know the consequences of doing it.

Secondly, you completely forgot that the ACA repeal was done under budget reconciliation. The plan was to do both ACA replacement then tax reform as budget reconciliation because the fillibuster is not available under budget reconciliation.
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just as it was passed by budget reconciliation there by surpassing the filibuster. granted it should have never been allowed to be passed under budget reconciliation and it was an unconstitutional method of passing the bill,
however since it was passed under budget reconciliation then it can be repealed in the same manner.

I'm sorry, I have to now charge $25 because I had to correct your incorrect information.
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The i require 50 since you made quite a few mistakes in your information.
do you really want to continue that stupidity?
 
ludin said:
where did i say anything about trump? no where so strawman argument. we are discussing congressional procedure.



this makes 0 sense. the nuclear option only applies to appointee's it has nothing to do with voting on legislation. so yes you are either confused or not that well informed of how the senate works.



In order to get rid of the filibuster the senate would have to pass a new rule or change the existing one. No one in the senate is willing to do that because they know the consequences of doing it.



just as it was passed by budget reconciliation there by surpassing the filibuster. granted it should have never been allowed to be passed under budget reconciliation and it was an unconstitutional method of passing the bill,
however since it was passed under budget reconciliation then it can be repealed in the same manner.



The i require 50 since you made quite a few mistakes in your information.
do you really want to continue that stupidity?
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong. You need to stop because you are looking foolish.

Instead of accusing me of strawman arguments you need to Google the topic. Donald Trump has recommended using the nuclear option for healthcare and tax now that the budget reconciliation process which allowed 51 majority vote failed.

I have nothing else to say other than you are a purveyor of fake news trying to create a false narrative that it is all the Democrats fault.




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slo1111 said:
Wrong wrong wrong wrong. You need to stop because you are looking foolish.
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You say so is not an argument.

Instead of accusing me of strawman arguments you need to Google the topic. Donald Trump has recommended using the nuclear option for healthcare and tax now that the budget reconciliation process which allowed 51 majority vote failed.
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what trump suggests is irrelevant to what we are discussing that is why it is a strawman. i never argued anything or brought up anything to do with trump or what trump wants.
so it is irrelevant to the discussion. please stay on topic if you can't i understand it but i am not going to argue your strawman arguments.

I have nothing else to say other than you are a purveyor of fake news trying to create a false narrative that it is all the Democrats fault.
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there is no fake news about what i said. democrats have 100% the ability to stop his tax proposal you have yet to refute this.
they can filibuster any tax plan that is proposed. the nuclear option is does not apply to legislation only to appointee's.

again you are spouting off without knowing what you are talking about.

you bring up obamcare but what you fail to mention is that it was implemented using budget reconciliation.
if it was implemented using that then it can be repealed using the same method.

budget reconciliation is only for a specific process it cannot be used for everything.
the democrats have become the party of no that they ranted about republicans.

all their is too it.
 
ludin said:
You say so is not an argument.



what trump suggests is irrelevant to what we are discussing that is why it is a strawman. i never argued anything or brought up anything to do with trump or what trump wants.
so it is irrelevant to the discussion. please stay on topic if you can't i understand it but i am not going to argue your strawman arguments.



there is no fake news about what i said. democrats have 100% the ability to stop his tax proposal you have yet to refute this.
they can filibuster any tax plan that is proposed. the nuclear option is does not apply to legislation only to appointee's.

again you are spouting off without knowing what you are talking about.

you bring up obamcare but what you fail to mention is that it was implemented using budget reconciliation.
if it was implemented using that then it can be repealed using the same method.

budget reconciliation is only for a specific process it cannot be used for everything.
the democrats have become the party of no that they ranted about republicans.

all their is too it.
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Let me put on my Steven Miller hat.. do you really not know that the nuclear option can be used to force a vote on a bill? You have been here for how many years and you don't know that?

Hat off

I hate to break it to you Donald Trump is right. Mitch could use it on bills for tax reform and Trump care.

bwahhhh

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ludin said:
They haven't had time to take effect yet. Liberals won't allow him to push through his tax plan they will stall it then someone will file a bogus lawsuit.
they have become the party of no. lol i find the irony hilarious.
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With the GOP firmly in control of all branches of government, it seems quite a reach to blame "liberals" for Trump's inability to lead and build consensus.
 
ludin said:
They haven't had time to take effect yet. Liberals won't allow him to push through his tax plan they will stall it then someone will file a bogus lawsuit.
they have become the party of no. lol i find the irony hilarious.
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when the republicans own the house senate and WH not doing a tax plan is the liberals fault.....makes sense
 
Chomsky said:
With the GOP firmly in control of all branches of government, it seems quite a reach to blame "liberals" for Trump's inability to lead and build consensus.
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They have already said they will stop it from going through. So it isn't a reach at all. I mean why should we cut taxes on people that create jobs. They should be higher according to democrats.

The fact is we need tax reform badly. Our tax system is 150 years old or so. It is so complicated that the IRS doesn't even know all the rules. It is expensive to maintain and enforce.

We replace the current code with something more robust and easier to understand.
So there are two brackets 10% and 25%.

If you make less than 1m you pay 10%. If you make more than. 1m you pay 25%.
Whether you are married or single you pay no tax up to the poverty rate for you family size.

So a family of 4 would pay no tax on the first 24k dollars. keep the child tax credit the same as it is now.

I would rather not have income tax at all and go with a national sales tax only.
With a prebate up to the poverty level. So a family of 4 would pay no sales tax on their first 24k dollars they spend.
 
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Chomsky said:
Trump's policies had little effect.

But the corporate optimism of tax cuts and deregulation is giving the market a psychological boost.

Of course this has little to do with the rural working class jobs Trump is promising, nor will it ever to much degree. But Trump supporters seem to not know this, so Trump is selling it to them.
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Yes and no as to the psychological boost. Uncertainty is a huge negative for corporations and, in turn, acts as one for many investors.

I know this isn't quite on point, but this does explain some of the reasons for the latest round of insurer premium raise applications. They're stuck wondering about how likely it is that something like the individual mandate will go, how likely it is that if that goes something else, say, ban on dropping/refusing people with pre-x goes, and so forth. So they have to guesstimate and obviously they do it in their own best interest. Same applies for businesses facing investment decisions.

However, on the business investment front, one thing is at least certain: although deregulation that allows certain activities to be done more cheaply may affect their analysis, I don't see how a tax cut ever could. Except at the very highest rates, a tax cut has no logical reason to spur investment. Only a boost in demand does that, for the obvious reason that if demand for your widgets holds constant, the fact that you have more cash on hand is no reason to build more widgets that won't sell.



Though I suppose I am not really aiming this post at you because I suspect you already know it.
 
ludin said:
They have already said they will stop it from going through. So it isn't a reach at all. I mean why should we cut taxes on people that create jobs. They should be higher according to democrats.
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It's not a reach, when your party members can't reach a consensus with other representatives to move legislation forward.

And this myth of trickle-down is just that; a myth. With all the tax cutting since Reagan, if it worked we'd be awash in good jobs. We're not!

The fact is we need tax reform badly. Our tax system is 150 years old or so. It is so complicated that the IRS doesn't even know all the rules. It is expensive to maintain and enforce.

We replace the current code with something more robust and easier to understand.
So there are two brackets 10% and 25%.

If you make less than 1m you pay 10%. If you make more than. 1m you pay 25%.
Whether you are married or single you pay no tax up to the poverty rate for you family size.

So a family of 4 would pay no tax on the first 24k dollars. keep the child tax credit the same as it is now.

I would rather not have income tax at all and go with a national sales tax only.
With a prebate up to the poverty level. So a family of 4 would pay no sales tax on their first 24k dollars they spend.
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I'm all for simplification, since a complicated system means those that can afford tax professionals will get more out of the system than those that can't.

Your systems seems as good as any.

But I am not in favor of giving big-business and corps any more deals.
 
ludin said:
They have already said they will stop it from going through. So it isn't a reach at all. I mean why should we cut taxes on people that create jobs. They should be higher according to democrats.

The fact is we need tax reform badly. Our tax system is 150 years old or so. It is so complicated that the IRS doesn't even know all the rules. It is expensive to maintain and enforce.

We replace the current code with something more robust and easier to understand.
So there are two brackets 10% and 25%.

If you make less than 1m you pay 10%. If you make more than. 1m you pay 25%.
Whether you are married or single you pay no tax up to the poverty rate for you family size.

So a family of 4 would pay no tax on the first 24k dollars. keep the child tax credit the same as it is now.

I would rather not have income tax at all and go with a national sales tax only.
With a prebate up to the poverty level. So a family of 4 would pay no sales tax on their first 24k dollars they spend.
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Welcome to the McConnell Rules of the Senate .
 
Chomsky said:
It's not a reach, when your party members can't reach a consensus with other representatives to move legislation forward.

And this myth of trickle-down is just that; a myth. With all the tax cutting since Reagan, if it worked we'd be awash in good jobs. We're not!
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What are you even talking about? There are 5.7m jobs available right now in the US.
so you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm all for simplification, since a complicated system means those that can afford tax professionals will get more out of the system than those that can't.

Your systems seems as good as any.

But I am not in favor of giving big-business and corps any more deals.
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Of course you aren't then you wonder why companies leave the US and ship jobs elsewhere.

I would drop the corporate rate to 15% of gross with deductions available for expansion, non-executive pay and benefits offered to workers. If you are a start up to small business your rate is 10 %.

Executive pay is only partially deductible.
 
NIMBY said:
Welcome to the McConnell Rules of the Senate .
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McConnell is a hack with no leadership skills or a spine. He couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.
 
Money that could be going to increased wages for workers is instead going into the stock market
 
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