Animal Rights and Mankind's Limitless Cruelty

Conaeolos said:

With lower order beings though I think it becomes obvious to most that life as a corn snake in captivity is going to be infinitely less dangerous and perhaps a little less stimulating where as an orca in captivity may seem a lot more a human in prison as it would be slightly less danger for infinitely less stimulation. Same for apes ect.

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ecofarm said:

Are you a vegetarian?

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Moot said:

No...it's not legit because your premise assumes that people who eat meat lack empathy for animals and/or shouldn't be allowed to express emotion for an animal that is abused and tortured for amusement. Thats just absurd.

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Gaius46 said:

Rights are human inventions and only apply to humans. Legal rights can only be applied to citizens. Natural rights, if you choose to believe in the them, by definition can only apply to humans. Because of that animals do not have rights. We have an obligation to them to not mistreat them and we enforce that rightly with laws but that is entirely a different things.

People dilute the meaning and value of "rights" when applied the creatures and circumstances incorrectly

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calamity said:

I'll pass on watching the video. But, if anyone hears about how one of these men got his pecker caught in a meat grinder, please ping me.

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ecofarm said:

There is a great amount of animal cruelty in meat and byproduct (milk, eggs...) production, especially in conventional production (as opposed to organic, free range, etc). That's why his response began, "I know, I know".

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joG said:

What kind of shoes do you wear with a suite?

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OlNate said:

So, just so I'm clear, you're taking the pro-animal cruelty stance on this one??

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Gaius46 said:

Animals do not have rights.

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molten_dragon said:

I agree with you, but it's still monstrous to treat animals cruelly for no reason.

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joG said:

Nope. I'm taking the stance of getting one's priorities and legal structures straight.

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OlNate said:

On the back of a story about a bull getting it's horns set on fire, ending in it's death? I mean, I applaud your commitment to contrarianism, but is there not a point at which we can skip splitting hairs and just say "Yeah, that sucks, what asshats"?

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fantome said:

Bull commits suicide after men light its horns on fire
NY Post | By Fox News July 28, 2017 | 1:47pm


(this is a video from facebook showing the ordeal endured by this helpless creature at the hands of some fun-seekers in Spain)

A large bull committed suicide in Spain on Saturday after men lit the animal’s horns on fire while it was tied to a post, a graphic video showed.

The video, which was shot in Foios in Valencia and went viral earlier this week, occurred during the “Bulls in the Street” festival, The Telegraph reported. The fiesta imitates the famous Running of the Bulls festival that takes place every year in Pamplona.

In the video, the large, black bull is seen tied to a post in front of a crowd; its horns are lit on fire and a man is holding the bull to the post. When the man lets go, the bull runs away for a moment before turning around and dashing full speed ahead into the post, where it collapsed instantly. After the bull laid dead on the ground, the shocked crowd walks over to the deceased animal.

Earlier that day, the bull allegedly stabbed a man in the leg with its horn. It was not immediately clear if the animal was tied up for reportedly injuring the man.

The video was posted on Facebook by Bull Defenders United. The group describes itself as an “international page against bullfighting. Torturing an animal is destroying a part of kindness. Stop animal abuse!”

The group wrote in the post’s description: “A bull despairs with the fire on its horns and crashes the trunk to which it was tied. How many lives will still be taken in the name of traditions that are nothing but barbarity?”

Bullfighting has come under intense criticism in recent years with regions of Spain such as Catalonia doing away with bullfighting, and the Balearic Islands also trying to quash the Spanish tradition.

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The cruelty of man knows no limits. Look at that host of blood thirsty voyeurs watching as these in-the-flesh demons torture and drive to madness a bound and hobbled defenseless creature for their own pleasure and amusement. It shames me to be part of a species so cruel.

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Every Sunday there was a bull fight for the amusement of those who would pay their fifty cents. I attended one of them—just one—not wishing to leave the country without having witnessed the national sport. The sight to me was sickening. I could not see how human beings could enjoy the sufferings of beasts, and often of men, as they seemed to do on these occasions.
At these sports there are usually from four to six bulls sacrificed. The audience occupies seats around the ring in which the exhibition is given, each seat but the foremost rising higher than the one in front, so that every one can get a full view of the sport. When all is ready a bull is turned into the ring. Three or four men come in, mounted on the merest skeletons of horses blind or blind-folded and so weak that they could not make a sudden turn with their riders without danger of falling down. The men are armed with spears having a point as sharp as a needle. Other men enter the arena on foot, armed with red flags and explosives about the size of a musket cartridge. To each of these explosives is fastened a barbed needle which serves the purpose of attaching them to the bull by running the needle into the skin. Before the animal is turned loose a lot of these explosives are attached to him. The pain from the pricking of the skin by the needles is exasperating; but when the explosions of the cartridges commence the animal becomes frantic. As he makes a lunge towards one horseman, another runs a spear into him. He turns towards his last tormentor when a man on foot holds out a red flag; the bull rushes for this and is allowed to take it on his horns. The flag drops and covers the eyes of the animal so that he is at a loss what to do; it is jerked from him and the torment is renewed. When the animal is worked into an uncontrollable frenzy, the horsemen withdraw, and the matadores—literally murderers—enter, armed with knives having blades twelve or eighteen inches long, and sharp. The trick is to dodge an attack from the animal and stab him to the heart as he passes. If these efforts fail the bull is finally lassoed, held fast and killed by driving a knife blade into the spinal column just back of the horns. He is then dragged out by horses or mules, another is let into the ring, and the same performance is renewed.
On the occasion when I was present one of the bulls was not turned aside by the attacks in the rear, the presentations of the red flag, etc., etc., but kept right on, and placing his horns under the flanks of a horse threw him and his rider to the ground with great force. The horse was killed and the rider lay prostrate as if dead. The bull was then lassoed and killed in the manner above described. Men came in and carried the dead man off in a litter. When the slaughtered bull and horse were dragged out, a fresh bull was turned into the ring. Conspicuous among the spectators was the man who had been carried out on a litter but a few minutes before. He was only dead so far as that performance went; but the corpse was so lively that it could not forego the chance of witnessing the discomfiture of some of his brethren who might not be so fortunate. There was a feeling of disgust manifested by the audience to find that he had come to life again. I confess that I felt sorry to see the cruelty to the bull and the horse. I did not stay for the conclusion of the performance; but while I did stay, there was not a bull killed in the prescribed way.
Bull fights are now prohibited in the Federal District—embracing a territory around the City of Mexico, somewhat larger than the District of Columbia—and they are not an institution in any part of the country. During one of my recent visits to Mexico, bull fights were got up in my honor at Puebla and at Pachuca. I was not notified in advance so as to be able to decline and thus prevent the performance; but in both cases I civilly declined to attend.

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