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‘Obamacare Won’t Pay For My Back Surgery, But It Will Pay For Opioids’

LowDown said:
A lot of people with back pain think that if only they could get surgery they'd be cured. That's usually not the case -- surgery won't do them any good. This fellow is described as having degenerative joint disease. Surgery won't help that most of the time, but I have no doubt that there are surgeons who want to do the operation.
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I agree with this except for the first sentence.

I suspect that most people with serious back pain have looked at the available facts and come to the same conclusion as you.

Surgery can be helpful for some degenerative conditions when the problems progress beyond back pain—e.g. limb pain or the loss of motor function from nerve impingement.
Surgery can help with things like that.
But the lower back pain remains.

There're some interesting experimental surgeries with 3D printed prosthetics etc.
But they're not covered by anybody yet. And, their long term efficacy cannot be measured yet.
 
LowDown said:
A lot of people with back pain think that if only they could get surgery they'd be cured. That's usually not the case -- surgery won't do them any good. This fellow is described as having degenerative joint disease. Surgery won't help that most of the time, but I have no doubt that there are surgeons who want to do the operation.
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I agree some with back pain think surgery is the answer. What is more important is what does the doctors (specialist) say if surgery would help in this case. What is the case history with similar issues having success with surgery? That could explain the BCBS position on the issue.

If I was Joe, I would get a second/third opinion and appeal the insurance companies position.

My experience BCBS has been good to work with on health issues.
 
volsrock said:
Joe is one of the many victims of Obamacare. His doctors say he needs surgery to repair the nerve damage in his lower back and pelvis, but his insurance company, Blue Cross Blue Shield, won’t cover it.[/url]

Anybody else remember Obama speech where he told Grandma that she might have to take a pill instead of getting that surgery?

This is exactly what he promised.
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This story is propaganda. Oh, I'm sorry, it's fake news.

Look up Novant by Waxhaw. There's one right in town and then about 10-15 miles away they're all over. There's a surgical specialty clinic 18 miles away from Waxhaw and a Spinal Surgery clinic 12 miles away.

Second, he's asking for $20K for a procedure that will last 6-9 months. The article implies he'll be cured by this magical operation! For as little as 3 weeks, actually, and sometimes it doesn't help at all. Absolute garbage.

Third, I agree with one thing. Blue Cross sucks.
 
Ok, can we agree that the ACA has problems, as is natural for a large new law? How about: the GOP has hearings and calls witnesses that say how the ACA has ruined lives, democrats call witnesses that's say how it saved lives. They even bring in experts from other countries (gasp) that say the good and the bad of other systems. They even put hoods on to protect their identities and have a discussion of single payer (gasp,gasp). Then they draft legislation that tries to solve the problems, amending or replacing the ACA. Call it ObamaTrumpcare. Require a revisit of the legislation in, say, 10 years. Everyone goes home happy.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
As his Tweets and comments recently show Trump has declared war on ACA, and any POLITICIAN who defends ACA,

So expect the Con media machine and the Trump lemmings to do the same.

This thread is a perfect example. This is the INSURANCE COMPANY'S call, it has nothing to do with ACA. But we'll be bombarded with BS threads like this until their god and cult leader Trump, ends his war on ACA.
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That is ignoring the fact that BCBS is the only exchange provider "choice" - PPACA will not subsidize non-exchange policies. If your only payment option is a Sear's credit card does it matter what other stores are selling? ;)
 
Crovax said:
ad ho·mi·nem
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adverb & adjective

1.(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
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Unless you claim to reveal personal information about the OP (that is, that OP is in this "AMAC", etc), no, it is not ad hominem. It is a criticism of the source, not the person who quoted the source.



I do seem to be a little late to the party, as it seems that your objection was rather obliterated....

Ah, well.

:peace
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is ignoring the fact that BCBS is the only exchange provider "choice" - PPACA will not subsidize non-exchange policies. If your only payment option is a Sear's credit card does it matter what other stores are selling? ;)
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Yeah, I saw a chart on current 'providers.. NYS, Cali both have has about 1 dozen each, many Red states have only 1 or 2. I wonder why that is? ;)

Anyway even with ONE, how many would NC have without ACA? None. Even here in NYS before the State exchanges and ACA the ONLY choice was to get your HI thru your employer. Or an individual policy which was in the $1,500 per month range, and that was 7-8 years ago. Today in the exchange I pay about $500 per month. Much cheaper, even cheaper that I can get it through my ex-employers retirement plan.
 
volsrock said:
Most days, Joe Cato is confined to sitting in a chair or lying in bed, heavily medicated or asleep, debilitated by back pain that’s left the 41-year-old husband and father of four unable to work, attend seminary, or run his construction business. He has degenerative arthritis in his lower back and pelvis, a condition brought on after years of working on construction sites as a stonemason and hauling music gear as a worship leader in his church. Even riding in a car is painful, which he must do to get to his health-care provider 30 miles from his home in Waxhaw, North Carolina.

Joe is one of the many victims of Obamacare. His doctors say he needs surgery to repair the nerve damage in his lower back and pelvis, but his insurance company, Blue Cross Blue Shield, won’t cover it. In most of North Carolina, including Union County where Joe and his family live, Blue Cross is the only health insurer still offering coverage on the exchanges established by Obamacare. The only treatment Blue Cross will cover for Joe is pain medication—a battery of prescription drugs he must take daily, including what he calls “comatose-inducing” muscle-relaxers and opioids.

“When people call it being between a rock and a hard place I call it choosing between a firing squad and burning at the stake,” Joe says. If he doesn’t take the drugs, he’ll end up in the emergency room because of the pain. If he does take them, he’s useless as a functioning member of society. “I don’t want to pick either.”

https://amac.us/41-year-old-father-obamacare-wont-pay-back-surgery-will-pay-opioids/

Anybody else remember Obama speech where he told Grandma that she might have to take a pill instead of getting that surgery?

This is exactly what he promised.
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So I completely destroyed your post and proved that it was propaganda and entirely inaccurate and then you failed to respond. I was just curious - if you are reading articles that I can prove are filled with errors and lies, do you think you should ignore that or maybe start accepting that you're reading and believing propaganda that's likely funded by huge corporations that benefit from average Americans being denied access to affordable healthcare?
 
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