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I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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How accurate was the CBO with the ACA?

Seemed a little off course to me, or did I miss something?
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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On a similar note, I wonder how the big lefty partisans on here can declare that Obamacare is working and has helped so many and take great pleasure in the right's failures to repeal it and then they turn around and say that it is under water and that the Republicans are responsible for murdering it.
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Ask the people that have over the last several years seen their premiums increase and have annual deductibles that are so high they cant use their insurance they are mandated by law to have.
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Oh. It is not failing. The USA is too rich for it to fail. But it is sapping the country of funds it could better use other wise. It is a pity we didn't do a better job of aca. It might be difficult to fix it now.
 
RetiredUSN said:
How accurate was the CBO with the ACA?

Seemed a little off course to me, or did I miss something?
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From a study I saw here just yesterday the CBO did a really rotten job of predicting aca and its impact. But yhat didn't greatly surprise me.
 
Actually the GOP would be like the guy standing at the edge of a pool of sharks watching the guy flail in the water that the GOP tried to keep from jumping in in the first place. Once you've made your attempts to keep someone from doing stupid and they do it anyway, it's just time to sit and watch the show.
 
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Moderate Right said:
On a similar note, I wonder how the big lefty partisans on here can declare that Obamacare is working and has helped so many and take great pleasure in the right's failures to repeal it and then they turn around and say that it is under water and that the Republicans are responsible for murdering it.
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Because we can recognize disparate realities: 1- Obamacare, like other significant social programs, is not perfect, and may need fixing-amending, 2- the right's failure to repeal it deserves the scorn republicans heaped on their own proposal, therefore we take pleasure in its demise, 3- GOP has in many states tried to undermine it, and Trump may do more if he does what he is threatening, 4- millions more insured is a good thing, and last but not least, 5- single payer would solve the problem, as it has in the rest of the developed world.
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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The evidence clearly shows murder.
 
X Factor said:
Actually the GOP would be like the guy standing at the edge of a pool of sharks watching the guy flail in the water that the GOP tried to keep from jumping in in the first place. Once you've made your attempts to keep someone from doing stupid and they do it anyway, it's just time to sit and watch the show.
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Not really. It's more like throwing the guy a rock instead of a life preserver, while adding chum to the water, so that you can say, "See I told ya he would drown and be eaten by sharks."
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Well, how can the ACA work when both the Senate and House are working against it? Can you imagine any program working that way?

The only way it could work if the House and Senate were working to keep the marketplaces alive and thriving.

This is what you call a broken government. It creates programs with one party in charge and then tries to dismantle them when another party comes into office.

Why can't we have the public option as a non-profit government insurance company?
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Here's the problem. The ACA is being funded illegally with tax money not approved by congress. It's congresses job to fund. Obama didn't want to deal with funding apparently, so he by bypassed congress. Trump types feel that it is not right to write checks with no authority to write them. Trump is holding the threat of enforcing the law, thereby ending funding for "big insurance" if they don't find a way to fix it. They are daring Trump to end the payments because "there is no authorization to pay insurance companies" is not something the MSM will use.

FYI, Democrats in California are arguing to stall to try to use it in the 2018 elections to pick up house seats, and if they are not successful, they may be agreeable to a bipartisan approach prior to the 2020 election, when premiums may have risen 30% over what they are today.
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Intentionally drowning someone is murder. Standing by while they drown is not. And they arent defunding it or not enforcing it, so they arent even standing by. They are just trying to let it die by natural causes, effectively driving out all providers, or driving costs so high even supporters demand real changes.
 
If it's working then why all the fuss?
 
independentusa said:
I constantly hear the GOP on TV telling us that the ACA is failing, even though the CBO says otherwise. I guess my question in the title is like a person holding someone's head under water. Is the person drowning, or is it murder. The same can be said of the ACA, is it failing or is the GOP holding its head under water?
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Well the reality is its a combination. Its not actually drowning and I never group people together so I wont say the GOP but alot of the struggles with ACA are definitely due to 1.) anti-aca people fighting it and handicapping it and 2.) but even more importantly insurance companies finding loop holes and ways to bail out of things. etc Took them a little while but when they get all their lawyers to sit in a room and find ways eventually it will happen. But this is also a two part problem because if there was enough regulation to fix these loops holes and those fixes were allowed to take place it could get better but thats the issue.

Think of it like R&D of a new design of car/engine but then after running it, people wont allow you to change the oil properly and other maintenance. And the roads it runs on, people found ways to let them not keep them up, they have pot holes and tolls and out bridges etc.

Blaming it solely on the newly designed car and nothing else is highly dishonest and plain retarded, but yet people hilariously try.
 
Nickyjo said:
Because we can recognize disparate realities: 1- Obamacare, like other significant social programs, is not perfect, and may need fixing-amending, 2- the right's failure to repeal it deserves the scorn republicans heaped on their own proposal, therefore we take pleasure in its demise, 3- GOP has in many states tried to undermine it, and Trump may do more if he does what he is threatening, 4- millions more insured is a good thing, and last but not least, 5- single payer would solve the problem, as it has in the rest of the developed world.
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Obamacare is far from perfect. Whether the left wants to admit it or not, it is imploding and in a death spiral. Many areas are down to just one insurer and several areas are looking at zero insurers in 2018. And, no matter how the left wants to spin this, Obamacare was imploding and in a death spiral (in several areas, maybe not overall) before Trump even announced he was running. It didn't just happen overnight in 2017.
 
joG said:
From a study I saw here just yesterday the CBO did a really rotten job of predicting aca and its impact. But yhat didn't greatly surprise me.
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Hmm.
Lowered uninsured rate. Check.

Cost inflation down. Check.

Exchanges provide affordable coverage for most. Check.

Medicaid expansion successful in states that adopted it. Check.

Impact on deficit- lowered. Check.

What exactly is your mysterious report complaining about?

Here's an objective look:

CBO's Obamacare Predictions: How Accurate? - FactCheck.org
 
Threegoofs said:
Hmm.
Lowered uninsured rate. Check.

Cost inflation down. Check.

Exchanges provide affordable coverage for most. Check.

Medicaid expansion successful in states that adopted it. Check.

Impact on deficit- lowered. Check.

What exactly is your mysterious report complaining about?

Here's an objective look:

CBO's Obamacare Predictions: How Accurate? - FactCheck.org
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Growth slower than expected and costs increased. Both are bad for the nation.
 
fmw said:
Why would I read an article with a false title? I would be pure partisan drivel. Republicans haven't done anything to Obamacare. They tried but failed.
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Can't have any of that there book learning
 
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