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What Will Become of Republicans?

jimbo said:
What will become of the Republicans is they will win more seats in '18 or at least hold on to what they have. A presidential win in '20. Probably not with Trump. He will not be impeached or removed from office. Just lose interest. More seats in Congress. More local.

The Republican party is very weak, the Democrats weaker. The get Trump meme will become more prevalent, and be effective less. The only question is will the Republicans be smart enough to take advantage? A valid question.
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You do realize that the the party in power loses seats in midterms.
 
Greenbeard said:
Hating liberals is literally the only thing holding them together. Remove the word "Obama" from the equation and they don't even have agreement on health care, their signature issue for eight years!
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Since Republic voters love them some PPACA but hate Obamacare .
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I forgot to clarify. Based on past elections, the historical trend does not favor the party in power.
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Such as DEMs losing seats in 1966 after passing civil rights, voting rights, and Medicare after the LBJ landslide .
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I forgot to clarify. Based on past elections, the historical trend does not favor the party in power.
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That's not always. That's trends.

Based on past elections, President Trump couldn't possibly win.
 
jimbo said:
That's not always. That's trends.

Based on past elections, President Trump couldn't possibly win.
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And right now I fail to see how the American public should have any reason to reward the republican congress, given their track record.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Sessions can't do anything with the states and he hasn't really, too much money involved. The rerigging of the economic system goes back to the 80s and Clinton did nothing, he did however deregulate the FCC which allowed 6 multinational corporations to own the airways and he blew up the prison industry and was in love with for profit prisons. No democrat has said **** about enldess wars of aggression and profiteering and Hilary was all about global interventionism. The environment has been under steady attack all along, no one will stand up against big agribusiness or any of the other industrial poluters. Clinton presided over the dem party's conversion to the corporate dem party and working families' real wages have been under attack since the 80s, it's a half century trendline the dems have no issue with, and Obama bailed out Wall Street just as Bush did. Furthermore Obama had two years without rep oppositional numbers.

"Both" your parties serve the donor class and Wall Street to the detriment of society at large.

We just disagree and you are free to support whoever you like, but your entire system is corupt. Your "good guys" and your "bad guys" are merely riding in different cars of the same train running down the same tracks with the same conductor at the controls, and as long as the american public is willing to nothing but whine, post, and vote, you would do well to just enjoy the ride downward.
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Right. "The Democrats aren't perfect so they are just like the Republicans." I've heard this song before, usually in a coffee shop from some guy in his 20's with his hair in a bun. :roll:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And right now I fail to see how the American public should have any reason to reward the republican congress, given their track record.
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We're not voting right now.

But I agree with you. I've been in favor of throw the bums out for several years. My hope that is those that brought us Trump field candidates that aren't them. It's a hope, not a prediction.

But a question. Why are the Establishment Democrats any better?
 
calamity said:
Right. "The Democrats aren't perfect so they are just like the Republicans." I've heard this song before, usually in a coffee shop from some guy in his 20's with his hair in a bun. :roll:
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Can I be excused if I say that most sane people on here relate your threads to a Benny Hill parody?
 
jimbo said:
We're not voting right now.

But I agree with you. I've been in favor of throw the bums out for several years. My hope that is those that brought us Trump field candidates that aren't them. It's a hope, not a prediction.

But a question. Why are the Establishment Democrats any better?
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For one thing they are in favor of protecting minority rights and expanding the right to vote.
 
calamity said:
Will the party prove once and for all that they hate liberals more than they love the rule of law? Will they become the party of the depraved and delusional, the party that will go down in history as the defenders of the indefensible?

Time will tell, but the clock is rapidly approaching midnight.

My money is on depraved, delusional and hate for all things liberal.
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Fighting against anti-American leftist loons is neither depraved, or delusional. It's patriotic, and the right thing to do.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
For one thing they are in favor of protecting minority rights and expanding the right to vote.
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Expanding the right to vote? For citizens? Voter ID does not limit the right for eligible citizens to vote. It limits the vote of the ineligible.

Protecting minority rights? Like grown men having the right to piss next to my 12 YO grand daughter?

Sorry, I'll pass.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Can I be excused if I say that most sane people on here relate your threads to a Benny Hill parody?
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Without the hot chicks. Calamity's posts need hot chicks.
 
jimbo said:
Expanding the right to vote? For citizens? Voter ID does not limit the right for eligible citizens to vote. It limits the vote of the ineligible.

Protecting minority rights? Like grown men having the right to piss next to my 12 YO grand daughter?

Sorry, I'll pass.
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I am againist the notion of voting being a privilege.

And I am opposed to discrimination, to the entire concept of judging people based on skin color , ethnicity, religion, sexuality, or politics, economic status, or social status.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Furthermore Obama had two years without rep oppositional numbers.
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And a lot happened during those two years. The largest health reforms (encompassing both coverage expansions and changes to the actual financing and delivery of care) in a generation: to date those have expanded insurance to millions of people, saved tens of thousands of lives by making our hospitals safer, and re-shaped the incentives underlying our system to improve quality and efficiency.

Huge investments in infrastructure, clean energy, education, housing, middle class tax relief, health information technology, and aid to communities hard-hit by the Great Recession.

Reductions in sentencing disparities, expansion of AmeriCorps, reauthorization and expansion of CHIP, Lilly Ledbetter, conservation of two million acres of our natural resources. Confirmation of Sotomayor and Kagan.

Major overhauls of: financial regulations, including the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; student loans, removing private lenders from the picture and funneling the savings into expansions of Pell grants and debt relief; our food safety infrastructure and the nutritional value of the foods our kids are served in schools.

That's not even counting the stuff that got through Pelosi's House but couldn't quite get across the finish line in the Senate (e.g., Waxman-Markey, the DREAM Act).

This was the most productive two years of progressive policy-making since the '60s. There's a reason the left can't have nice things.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am againist the notion of voting being a privilege.

And I am opposed to discrimination, to the entire concept of judging people based on skin color , ethnicity, religion, sexuality, or politics, economic status, or social status.
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Since when is voting a privilege? It's a right. One of two that come with strings attached. Age and citizenship. 18 and US. 1 vote per customer. Voter ID proves you qualify.

Bathroom matters are a different issue. Peeing in the girls bathroom is not a right. Unless you are a girl.
 
calamity said:
Will the party prove once and for all that they hate liberals more than they love the rule of law? Will they become the party of the depraved and delusional, the party that will go down in history as the defenders of the indefensible?

Time will tell, but the clock is rapidly approaching midnight.

My money is on depraved, delusional and hate for all things liberal.
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When talking about the Republican Party, you really need to specify which part of the Party you are talking about. There is a split in the Party...the Elites who control Congress and comprise of a fair portion of talking potato heads in the media and the conservative base who nominated and elected Trump against the wishes of the Elites.

The Base: I'm sure a sizable portion of this group hate liberals, especially for all the damage they've done during Obama's Presidency.

The Elites: They don't hate the liberals at all. They'd rather work with the liberals than support their base since it enables them to retain their cushy existence.

If anything destroys the Republican Party, it'll be this internal split. Not any hatred for liberals.
 
Mycroft said:
When talking about the Republican Party, you really need to specify which part of the Party you are talking about. There is a split in the Party...the Elites who control Congress and comprise of a fair portion of talking potato heads in the media and the conservative base who nominated and elected Trump against the wishes of the Elites.

The Base: I'm sure a sizable portion of this group hate liberals, especially for all the damage they've done during Obama's Presidency.

The Elites: They don't hate the liberals at all. They'd rather work with the liberals than support their base since it enables them to retain their cushy existence.

If anything destroys the Republican Party, it'll be this internal split. Not any hatred for liberals.
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You know liberals in the US are not demons or space aliens or killer robots, they are just other Americans, is it a good idea to consider several of your fellow citizens as enemies? Should America be filled with people who actively loathe each other? How can you keep the United States united if that is the case? It seems like this weakens America, rather then strengthens it. All of this extreme partisanship makes Canada seem like a greatly unified land compared to America and Canada has a French speaking province that tries to separate every couple of decades.

And if you want argue Obama damaged America, they will argue that Trump is damaging America.

Here's the problem with the GOP, they are so obsessed with ideological purity and thinking compromise is evil, that they hold their own personal version of conservatism as sacred and will not compromise at all and since everyone in the GOP has their own idea on what ideological purity is, they can't even compromise with each other to pass a health care bill, despite talking about the importance of repealing and replacing Obamacare for 7 years.

The GOP are in a Hell of their are own making, they are responsible for Trumpcare not getting passed, not the Democrats, they don't need the Democrats to pass a health care bill, if they could overcome their differences and compromise with each other.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
You know liberals in the US are not demons or space aliens or killer robots, they are just other Americans, is it a good idea to consider several of your fellow citizens as enemies? Should America be filled with people who actively loathe each other? How can you keep the United States united if that is the case? It seems like this weakens America, rather then strengthens it. All of this extreme partisanship makes Canada seem like a greatly unified land compared to America and Canada has a French speaking province that tries to separate every couple of decades.

And if you want argue Obama damaged America, they will argue that Trump is damaging America.

Here's the problem with the GOP, they are so obsessed with ideological purity and thinking compromise is evil, that they hold their own personal version of conservatism as sacred and will not compromise at all and since everyone in the GOP has their own idea on what ideological purity is, they can't even compromise with each other to pass a health care bill, despite talking about the importance of repealing and replacing Obamacare for 7 years.

The GOP are in a Hell of their are own making, they are responsible for Trumpcare not getting passed, not the Democrats, they don't need the Democrats to pass a health care bill, if they could overcome their differences and compromise with each other.
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LOL!!

Do you even listen to yourself? Do you think before you type?

First you say not to demonize liberals...and then you proceed to demonize the GOP.

You are dismissed.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Do you even listen to yourself? Do you think before you type?

First you say not to demonize liberals...and then you proceed to demonize the GOP.

You are dismissed.
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Is describing a real problem the GOP has, "demonzing" them now? If you can't take constructive critcism, then you can't complain about about liberal snowflakes, can you?

If the GOP are so willing to compromise with each other, why haven't they passed Trumpcare yet?

No offense but this whole you are dismissed line you like to use, seems to be a way to dismiss any views you don't like without debating them.
 
calamity said:
Will the party prove once and for all that they hate liberals more than they love the rule of law? Will they become the party of the depraved and delusional, the party that will go down in history as the defenders of the indefensible?

Time will tell, but the clock is rapidly approaching midnight.

My money is on depraved, delusional and hate for all things liberal.
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That's a mirror you're holding, not a magnifying glass.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Is describing a real problem the GOP has, "demonzing" them now? If you can't take constructive critcism, then you can't complain about about liberal snowflakes, can you?

If the GOP are so willing to compromise with each other, why haven't they passed Trumpcare yet?

No offense but this whole you are dismissed line you like to use, seems to be a way to dismiss any views you don't like without debating them.
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I have no problem with anyone presenting "constructive criticism". But that's not what you presented. Do you need to be reminded?

Here's the problem with the GOP, they are so obsessed with ideological purity and thinking compromise is evil, that they hold their own personal version of conservatism as sacred and will not compromise at all and since everyone in the GOP has their own idea on what ideological purity is, they can't even compromise with each other to pass a health care bill, despite talking about the importance of repealing and replacing Obamacare for 7 years.

The GOP are in a Hell of their are own making, they are responsible for Trumpcare not getting passed, not the Democrats, they don't need the Democrats to pass a health care bill, if they could overcome their differences and compromise with each other.
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Anyway, it's actually your blind hypocrisy that causes you to get dismissed...not whatever I think about your views.
 
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