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CNN Nailed The Democrapic Party To Wall

PIPEWRENCH said:
Are you kidding me. By the time I get done paying all my taxes I have lost half my income. I pay so many taxes I can't even keep track of all of them. One day I will sit down and start a ledger but it does not end with FICA. That is just the tip of the iceberg. You might as well consider health care a tax now that it is mandatory.
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50%? Come on. Where do you live? Is that State Tax?
Effective Federal Tax Rates

90% of people end up paying 20% or less.
50% of people pay just 13.5% or less.

Maybe you're that sweet spot of being in California, and you make enough to be in the top 1%, but not enough to be earning most of your income via capital gains...in which case you're just an outlier when it comes to tax policy.
 
Dragonfly said:
The fact that they went with her in 2016 suggests that rock-like intelligence has a good hold on plenty of them.

Time will tell.
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The Democrats aren't going to nominate Clinton again in 2020. The Republicans need to take note of that fact, and quit running against her. She's political history.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The Democrats aren't going to nominate Clinton again in 2020. The Republicans need to take note of that fact, and quit running against her. She's political history.
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I hope you're correct.

I just completely lack your faith in the D's being that wise.
If wisdom ran strong they'd have never nominated her in 2016.
 
Dragonfly said:
Whether you think CNN is "fake" or not, this assessment is so dead-nuts spot-on it's amazing.

So what say you Dems? Did CNN nail your party to a T?
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Ummmm... yeah. I am going to have to admit this is probably very true.
 
Dragonfly said:
I hope you're correct.

I just completely lack your faith in the D's being that wise.
If wisdom ran strong they'd have never nominated her in 2016.
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Clinton would've been a good, solid manager. But people needed a leader who inspired. They were not getting that in her.
 
Dragonfly said:
I hope you're correct.

I just completely lack your faith in the D's being that wise.
If wisdom ran strong they'd have never nominated her in 2016.
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Hindsight wisdom is always better than foresight wisdom. Trust me on this, she's political history.

But, if the Republicans want to run against her in 2020, let them. They might not notice that there is actually a presidential candidate running against Trump.
 
Dragonfly said:
The fact that they went with her in 2016 suggests that rock-like intelligence has a good hold on plenty of them.

Time will tell.
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Exactly, time will tell. The Democratic establishment was firmly behind Hillary. But the enthusiasm resided with Sanders supporters. Hillary was more ho hum and emitted the impression that she was next in line and that was enough. The general election was a bit different than the primaries which the DNC and Democratic state party leaders rigged in her favor. She found out the hard way that were were no super electors as there was super delegates.
 
Perotista said:
Exactly, time will tell. The Democratic establishment was firmly behind Hillary. But the enthusiasm resided with Sanders supporters. Hillary was more ho hum and emitted the impression that she was next in line and that was enough. The general election was a bit different than the primaries which the DNC and Democratic state party leaders rigged in her favor. She found out the hard way that were were no super electors as there was super delegates.
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What are the legislative concerns in your Georgia? This is where my current focus is. Time to deal with the Nation's concerns, not rehash elections.

I propose a 50-state commission to feed the federals with their top priorities. I think Sec. Zinke is capable of running the Interior but have zero faith in Sec. Pruitt at the EPA. Perry's okay in energy.

We know that concrete roads only last 50 years or so. Many roads and bridges are coming of age and must be redone. We need a massive plan to overhaul our infrastructure, electrical grid, and energy grid. Plus safeguard against EMP weapons.

Illinois is a big nuclear state. Your Georgia is the only state to get new nukes in decades. We're still decades away from Nuclear Fusion. We won't live to see fusion rocket engines in spacecraft to the stars but may live to see a man on Mars .
 
NIMBY said:
We're still decades away from Nuclear Fusion. We won't live to see fusion rocket engines in spacecraft to the stars but may live to see a man on Mars .
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I realize this is going off on a bit of a tangent, but there is no guarantee we will ever be able to have a means of controlled fusion, unfortunately.
 
ataraxia said:
I realize this is going off on a bit of a tangent, but there is no guarantee we will ever be able to have a means of controlled fusion, unfortunately.
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These tangents are great.

ITER tokamak is years behind schedule in France, but a ten times gain over a fed fission reactor is worth it. There are 20 nations working together on that one.

The Wendelstein 7-X in Germany shows great promise. I'll have to read again so I can speak specifically about these two very different ways of harnessing plasma .
 
Mach said:
50%? Come on. Where do you live? Is that State Tax?
Effective Federal Tax Rates

90% of people end up paying 20% or less.
50% of people pay just 13.5% or less.

Maybe you're that sweet spot of being in California, and you make enough to be in the top 1%, but not enough to be earning most of your income via capital gains...in which case you're just an outlier when it comes to tax policy.
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If you believe that federal income tax is the only tax you pay there is no use continuing this conversation.

I pay state taxes.
local taxes
property taxes
sales taxes
gasoline taxes
the list goes on and on.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
If you believe that federal income tax is the only tax you pay there is no use continuing this conversation.
on.
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Of course not, I even noted specifically I'm referring to Federal, and I mentioned CA, which would imply state taxes. And yet 99% of the time discussions here are about federal/presidential politics, and federal taxes.

Only when people's bull**** is called out do they step back to state/local, etc. Federal is typically the lions share of taxes.

So did your B.S. get called out, or am I about to get schooled? I accept my fate, have at it.

So 50% of people pay 13.5%. You're gonna get up to 50% with these other taxes? Can't wait to see it.
 
NIMBY said:
What are the legislative concerns in your Georgia? This is where my current focus is. Time to deal with the Nation's concerns, not rehash elections.

I propose a 50-state commission to feed the federals with their top priorities. I think Sec. Zinke is capable of running the Interior but have zero faith in Sec. Pruitt at the EPA. Perry's okay in energy.

We know that concrete roads only last 50 years or so. Many roads and bridges are coming of age and must be redone. We need a massive plan to overhaul our infrastructure, electrical grid, and energy grid. Plus safeguard against EMP weapons.

Illinois is a big nuclear state. Your Georgia is the only state to get new nukes in decades. We're still decades away from Nuclear Fusion. We won't live to see fusion rocket engines in spacecraft to the stars but may live to see a man on Mars .
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I remember back in 1969 when we first landed on the moon, everyone was figuring a moon base in 10 years and a man on Mars in 20. So we are now about 30 years behind what was thought to come in 1969. A lot of that can be blamed on Nixon, he opted for the space shuttle to save money instead of advancing further into space. There's a long story there, but that sentence covers it basically.

Far as I know there aren't any hot issues or legislative agendas here in Georgia. Our legislature meets only 40 days out of the year beginning the second week of January. That is 40 business days and all legislative business must be completed by the end of those 40 days. Nationally, it seems most Georgians are in a wait and see mode much like me. For or against the AHCA, no one is speaking out either way. Of course we're always anti gun control, but with Trump as president, that too has become muted.

Tax reform, also quiet. It's kind of like Trump won, so let's sit back and relax. Weird
 
Dragonfly said:
Whether you think CNN is "fake" or not, this assessment is so dead-nuts spot-on it's amazing.

Forget the rest of the article, just focus on this one part. It should really be #1 in my opinion. (it' #2 in the article)



here's the link to entire piece, but let focus on the part I quoted please.
Five poll numbers that should make Democrats uneasy - CNNPolitics.com

If you're a registered "D", can you even remotely suggest the quote above is wrong?

If you're a registered "R", don't get too cocky, this is exactly where the "R's" were not that long ago.

So "D's", what's the best plan for 2020? Are ya gonna go with insanity and just nominate some tried and true D that's been slobbering around Washington for decades?
Or perhaps are you gonna try a new avenue and seek out a newcomer to the whole show?

Hopefully you won't go with the "anyone is better than Trump so we'll just nominate anyone" tactic.
That didn't work for the R's against Obama.

You guys/gals need to get over your extreme BUTTHURT over 2016 elections and start developing a "real plan" that isn't just focused on being anti-Trump.

Focus, for once, on doing what's best for the majority of regular Americans.
Fiscal responsibility. Socially open an welcoming to all.

Don't just point fingers at Trump and call him a poopyhead. Don't enlist idiots like Madonna and such in hopes of using "star power" to get votes.

Have a real plan. A true platform. Then find the guy/gal who can promote that with passion and honesty.
Also, find somebody who doesn't have decades of shadows and mistrust in their portfolio.

So what say you Dems? Did CNN nail your party to a T?
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It's absolutely right. Which is why Bernie's movement needs to take the forefront in the Dem party. The party isn't offering any policy leadership at all. Bernie and Elizabeth Warren are sticking to topic and pushing policy while the rest seem to just bitch about trump.
 
Perotista said:
I remember back in 1969 when we first landed on the moon, everyone was figuring a moon base in 10 years and a man on Mars in 20. So we are now about 30 years behind what was thought to come in 1969. A lot of that can be blamed on Nixon, he opted for the space shuttle to save money instead of advancing further into space. There's a long story there, but that sentence covers it basically.

Far as I know there aren't any hot issues or legislative agendas here in Georgia. Our legislature meets only 40 days out of the year beginning the second week of January. That is 40 business days and all legislative business must be completed by the end of those 40 days. Nationally, it seems most Georgians are in a wait and see mode much like me. For or against the AHCA, no one is speaking out either way. Of course we're always anti gun control, but with Trump as president, that too has become muted.

Tax reform, also quiet. It's kind of like Trump won, so let's sit back and relax. Weird
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I blame the Soviet Union for our lack of progress in space.

That may sound strange, but consider:

When the "godless Commies" put Sputnik into space, the country simply had to win the space race. Twelve years later, we landed men on the moon, and achieved victory.

Then, the Soviet Union fell apart and we had no rival to motivate continuing the race. Who wants to race when there is only one car on the track, after all?

Now, it's been 48 years since the first moon landing, and the only way American astronauts can get into space is on a Russian rocket.

and, no one cares, or at least no one cares enough to spark interest in space exploration the way it was in the 12 years from 1957 to 1969.

Maybe China will become the rival we need and spark a new space race.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Maybe China will become the rival we need and spark a new space race.
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Why not focus on curing cancer and the technological advances that allow us to overcome modern diseases, etc. What's in space? Vacuum? We have 10000010 issues here on earth, why add one more out in the deep, lifeless void of space?

We had to pursue space to get satellites and long range missiles, etc., but once we achieved mutually assured destruction, I think that strategy is a dead end.
 
Mach said:
Why not focus on curing cancer and the technological advances that allow us to overcome modern diseases, etc. What's in space? Vacuum? We have 10000010 issues here on earth, why add one more out in the deep, lifeless void of space?

We had to pursue space to get satellites and long range missiles, etc., but once we achieved mutually assured destruction, I think that strategy is a dead end.
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5 Things We Have Thanks to Space Exploration

In a time when economic austerity is en vogue, we find ourselves debating what is worth spending money on and what isn’t. Programs have to justify their existence and those programs that are seen as ancillary or superfluous get the ax. Unfortunately, often science that doesn’t have an immediate practical use is seen as fluff and a waste of time and money. In the United States, NASA can be an object of this debate. We should not be exploring the solar system, some say, when we have so many problems on the Earth. This, I believe, is an incredibly myopic point of view that ignores the myriad of technological advances that make our lives longer, safer, and more fun made possible by the space program.
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and that doesn't even mention being able to find your hotel via GPS.

Space exploration has added enormously to human knowledge and technology.
 
Dittohead not! said:
5 Things We Have Thanks to Space Exploration
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Opportunity cost though. You can't know what that same money and time investment in other industries would have produced. There could have been 20 things, or 50 (or none!).

and that doesn't even mention being able to find your hotel via GPS.
Space exploration has added enormously to human knowledge and technology.
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I mentioned satellites as a key milestone. We have them, and we can end the world as we know it any time. We should still fund some of it, sure, I just don't think it's anywhere near the priorities we have here on earth. Maybe you're young, but nature is killing us all right now. Crime, poverty, our clunky political system, privacy, energy independence, (you get the idea), all higher priority IMO.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I blame the Soviet Union for our lack of progress in space.

That may sound strange, but consider:

When the "godless Commies" put Sputnik into space, the country simply had to win the space race. Twelve years later, we landed men on the moon, and achieved victory.

Then, the Soviet Union fell apart and we had no rival to motivate continuing the race. Who wants to race when there is only one car on the track, after all?

Now, it's been 48 years since the first moon landing, and the only way American astronauts can get into space is on a Russian rocket.

and, no one cares, or at least no one cares enough to spark interest in space exploration the way it was in the 12 years from 1957 to 1969.

Maybe China will become the rival we need and spark a new space race.
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Seven original signatories to ITER---China, Russia, EU, South Korea, USA, India and Japan are working on the nuclear fusion/plasma tokamak reactor--yes years behind schedule, but this technology is worth it.

As you might expect, Germany has a separate project, Wendelstein 7-X, less complicated and bearing more fruit.

I hope you live long enough to see fusion rocket engines in spacecraft travel to the stars and nearby solar systems. I'm too old .
 
NIMBY said:
Seven original signatories to ITER---China, Russia, EU, South Korea, USA, India and Japan are working on the nuclear fusion/plasma tokamak reactor--yes years behind schedule, but this technology is worth it.

As you might expect, Germany has a separate project, Wendelstein 7-X, less complicated and bearing more fruit.

I hope you live long enough to see fusion rocket engines in spacecraft travel to the stars and nearby solar systems. I'm too old .
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I'm not sure how old you are , but I'm no spring chicken. I, too, would like to see the development of fusion. It would be a paradigm shift on the order of using petroleum in place of whale oil. It would usher in a whole new era for mankind. With the pace of progress, we just might see it, too.

and space exploration will advance civilization in ways we can only imagine. Mankind has been exploring since the Olduvia Gorge, and needs to continue to explore. We've pretty much settled this planet. Time to move on to bigger and better things.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure how old you are , but I'm no spring chicken. I, too, would like to see the development of fusion. It would be a paradigm shift on the order of using petroleum in place of whale oil. It would usher in a whole new era for mankind. With the pace of progress, we just might see it, too.

and space exploration will advance civilization in ways we can only imagine. Mankind has been exploring since the Olduvia Gorge, and needs to continue to explore. We've pretty much settled this planet. Time to move on to bigger and better things.
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I've only recently begun seeing news on Germany's W X-7, a different technology than ITER. The fact that the Earth will eventually produce 500,000 kilowatts from fusion with 50,000 kilowatts fed in from fission is incredibly exciting for us old-timers. I expect nuclear fusion/plasma rocket engines to quickly follow.

I haven't put on my egghead yet to accurately explain the difference in the two technologies to myself. One thing's for sure, no solid on earth, yet, can contain plasma at 1 million degrees Celsius or multiples of it. From what I've seen, plasma is being captured in electromagnetic fields.

Germany kept their W X-7 pretty quiet. ITER is supposed to be yielding functional plasma in the middle of the next decade. One result of the further exploration of other planets and solar systems is to mine them for necessary elements and compounds .
 
Dittohead not! said:
I blame the Soviet Union for our lack of progress in space.

That may sound strange, but consider:

When the "godless Commies" put Sputnik into space, the country simply had to win the space race. Twelve years later, we landed men on the moon, and achieved victory.

Then, the Soviet Union fell apart and we had no rival to motivate continuing the race. Who wants to race when there is only one car on the track, after all?

Now, it's been 48 years since the first moon landing, and the only way American astronauts can get into space is on a Russian rocket.

and, no one cares, or at least no one cares enough to spark interest in space exploration the way it was in the 12 years from 1957 to 1969.

Maybe China will become the rival we need and spark a new space race.
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The decision was made by Nixon on the space shuttle which has confined us to a couple of hundred miles above the earth.

https://history.nasa.gov/stsnixon.htm

That was long before the USSR broke a part. Nixon's decision basically made all missions into space unmanned. No more moon landings, trips to Mars etc. We would be sending probes, rovers etc. into space, on Mars, fly byes of the planets. But not man.
 
Perotista said:
The decision was made by Nixon on the space shuttle which has confined us to a couple of hundred miles above the earth.

https://history.nasa.gov/stsnixon.htm

That was long before the USSR broke a part. Nixon's decision basically made all missions into space unmanned. No more moon landings, trips to Mars etc. We would be sending probes, rovers etc. into space, on Mars, fly byes of the planets. But not man.
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So, Nixon was the problem.

It's really too bad we didn't continue space exploration at the same rate we did during those magical 12 years from 1957 to '69, but it is what it is.
 
Perotista said:
The decision was made by Nixon on the space shuttle which has confined us to a couple of hundred miles above the earth.

https://history.nasa.gov/stsnixon.htm

That was long before the USSR broke a part. Nixon's decision basically made all missions into space unmanned. No more moon landings, trips to Mars etc. We would be sending probes, rovers etc. into space, on Mars, fly byes of the planets. But not man.
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Gingrich will be proven ahead of his time for advocating mining the moon .
 
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