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What would you like see in a NAFTA renogiation?

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While Trump put forward his NAFTA renogiations objectives recently, so I thought I would ask what you want to see out of a NAFTA renogiation?
 
1. Mexico and Canada are two very different entities. Personally I'd like to keep the trade with Canada wide open. Mexico may be a different story because of their lower costs of labor.

2. Whatever comes from a new or replaced NAFTA, it needs to benefit the average middle-class American, not just a select few people.

3. Trump needs to learn how to take his time and get it right. No more cheap soundbites or quick fixes. He's been in office for half a year now, and if he can't act effectively on one of his signature issues, he can't act effectively at all. Good trade deals take time to put together. And FFS, there's no need to strongarm Mexico or Canada. They can always look to other countries to make trade deals if we put barriers up that are too high.
 
Phys251 said:
1. Mexico and Canada are two very different entities. Personally I'd like to keep the trade with Canada wide open. Mexico may be a different story because of their lower costs of labor.

2. Whatever comes from a new or replaced NAFTA, it needs to benefit the average middle-class American, not just a select few people.

3. Trump needs to learn how to take his time and get it right. No more cheap soundbites or quick fixes. He's been in office for half a year now, and if he can't act effectively on one of his signature issues, he can't act effectively at all. Good trade deals take time to put together. And FFS, there's no need to strongarm Mexico or Canada. They can always look to other countries to make trade deals if we put barriers up that are too high.
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We (Canada) have already signed a free-trade deal with Europe. Trump is sounding too protectionist. We have to keep our own options open worldwide. We produce and export simple commodities that have a wide market so we're not locked in to any arraingement that becomes unbeneficial.
 
Phys251 said:
1. Mexico and Canada are two very different entities. Personally I'd like to keep the trade with Canada wide open. Mexico may be a different story because of their lower costs of labor.

2. Whatever comes from a new or replaced NAFTA, it needs to benefit the average middle-class American, not just a select few people.

3. Trump needs to learn how to take his time and get it right. No more cheap soundbites or quick fixes. He's been in office for half a year now, and if he can't act effectively on one of his signature issues, he can't act effectively at all. Good trade deals take time to put together. And FFS, there's no need to strongarm Mexico or Canada. They can always look to other countries to make trade deals if we put barriers up that are too high.
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Use American truck drivers north of the border. Right now it's Mexicans. Obama turned his back on American drivers. Typical.
 
Open the doors and let the market sort things out. If a company in The U.S. wants to cut a deal with a company in Mexico, git after it; no government interference on the business end. If a sawmill in Mississippi wants to sell lumber to a lumber yard in Ontario, git after it and vice-versa.

I'm not saying open the borders. I know someone is going to throw that **** at the wall.
 
chuckiechan said:
Use American truck drivers north of the border. Right now it's Mexicans. Obama turned his back on American drivers. Typical.
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Wow dude, who the **** cares what the nationality of the truck drivers is. And of course "it's Obama's fault." :roll:
 
Yes_Minister said:
While Trump put forward his NAFTA renogiations objectives recently, so I thought I would ask what you want to see out of a NAFTA renogiation?
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1) Workers rights
2) Equal environmental regulations between nations so that while our companies spend money to clean up their mess the others can't just dump their waste into the nearest river

I want the playing field to be level so that those where there is trade with, they are elevating themselves rather than our workers and companies reducing themselves to compete with third world wages and crap environmental policies.
 
Phys251 said:
Wow dude, who the **** cares what the nationality of the truck drivers is. And of course "it's Obama's fault." :roll:
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Why pay Mexican nationals to drive Teamster trucks on US highways. And the union leadership loves the democrats so much.
 
chuckiechan said:
Use American truck drivers north of the border. Right now it's Mexicans. Obama turned his back on American drivers. Typical.
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American style capitalism turned its back on american workers and americans fell for it chasing cheeper prices because they did not want to support other americans.
 
chuckiechan said:
Why pay Mexican nationals to drive Teamster trucks on US highways. And the union leadership loves the democrats so much.
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Agri-buissness needs mass quantities of cheap labor willing to work long hours for abysmal pay. Migrant workers fit the bill every single time.
 
"Agri-buissness needs mass quantities of cheap labor willing to work long hours for abysmal pay. Migrant workers fit the bill every single time." U1 #11
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yes
BUT !!

Nudge labor costs above the innovation threshold, and production methods can be transformed.

The example of our cranberry harvest comes to mind.

Cranberries used to be picked by hand, an enormously tedious and labor-intensive process.
The cost of that labor began to edge the cost of cranberry products out of reach for the market.

So the growers revolutionized their harvest technique.

Instead of picking individual cranberries by hand, they flood their fields with water, send machines through to vibrate the cranberries loose, then they float to the water's surface where they're scooped up & harvested.
It has revolutionized the cranberry industry in the U.S.

Labor must be careful to not price itself out of the market. In fact, that's one of the perils of a minimum wage LAW. Such law can price them out.
 
Yes_Minister said:
While Trump put forward his NAFTA renogiations objectives recently, so I thought I would ask what you want to see out of a NAFTA renogiation?
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I'm actually OK with NAFTA itself. It's the trade negotiations that followed NAFTA, that send jobs to Malaysia, China etc.

I want to see these other free trade agreements disassembled.

I'm OK with NAFTA, because illegal immigration is a problem. Who can blame our neighbors south of the border for wanting a better life?

So, what I would add is a requirement that instead of aiding illegal immigration like Mexico does, hold them responsible for their people illegally coming her somehow.

NAFTA never had a chance to work. As soon as factories were being built in Mexico, president Clinton made ore trade agreements, that undercut Mexico by making labor even cheaper in foreign continents, so NAFTA never really did anything.
 
For those of you complaining about NAFTA and similar trade, are you doing your part?

Are you only buying "Made in USA" products when available?
 
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