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Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

RetiredUSN said:
I don't put up with anyone who denigrates a person just because of their color. I lived that life of being a racist Irish punk on the streets of Boston, and when I look back I can see that I just wanted to fit in with all the other racist Irish & Italians on the streets of Boston. We used to beat the **** out of every black kid who had the balls to come into our area, and the blacks would reciprocate. The Navy actually opened my eyes, and the worm slowly turned after time. My brother has a black wife who I adore, and two of my 3 grandchildren are 1/2 Filipino.

If you take the average punk black kid off the street and place him in a safe environment where learning and achievement are a priority, his world changes. (for most) Amazing how things change....eh?

Stats are cookie cutter & one pill cures all....................and tend to takes away what each individual black person has experienced.
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The NAVY also changed my perspective. Getting off the bus at GLRNTC I glanced across all of us standing there on the grinder at midnight and thought, "Who are all these freaks?"

24 hours later, with our head's shaved, sporting our new duds (I still remember that smell,) we all looked the same.

A few months later, when we graduated, we WERE all the same.

I just love people. Matters not to me anymore what color they are. Also, the crap people I do sometimes happen to meet, well, I don't love them so much. No matter what color they are.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. It's not rocket surgery. Skin color is irrelevant.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I don't put up with anyone who denigrates a person just because of their color. I lived that life of being a racist Irish punk on the streets of Boston, and when I look back I can see that I just wanted to fit in with all the other racist Irish & Italians on the streets of Boston. We used to beat the **** out of every black kid who had the balls to come into our area, and the blacks would reciprocate. The Navy actually opened my eyes, and the worm slowly turned after time. My brother has a black wife who I adore, and two of my 3 grandchildren are 1/2 Filipino.

If you take the average punk black kid off the street and place him in a safe environment where learning and achievement are a priority, his world changes. (for most) Amazing how things change....eh?

Stats are cookie cutter & one pill cures all....................and tend to takes away what each individual black person has experienced.
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It has been noted the Haitians constantly over generations fail to perform in Haiti, but take those Haitians out of Haiti and drop them in America and then we watch them tend to do very well.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It has been noted the Haitians constantly over generations fail to perform in Haiti, but take those Haitians out of Haiti and drop them in America and then we watch them tend to do very well.
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And america has had much to do with making sure Haiti is the way it is.
 
Mach said:
The point is that many are not. The conditions that form the foundation of your self, are not all earned, they can be largely, negatively, affected by things you do not control. It's half the entire point.
I'll see some rapid anti-white privilege poster claim everyone has a choice, and then minutes alter in a thread about the white 40 something Linkkin Park singer suicide, they note that early childhood abuse was a primary factor him killing himself. It's maddening!


I don't think you understand it fully here though.
Think of a stockholm syndrome victim who is enslaved... You tell them you're the police and there to save them, and they flee from you and call their captors on you. Clearly they should run to you for safety to escape (the equivalent of emulating the positive traits you mention...in this case getting to safety would be the wise behavior choice!), but they essentially cannot. They cannot at that time, see it the way you do.
That's the other half of the issue. Someone raised in let's say, a failed, abusive, drug-ridden household where drugs and gangs were the norm, were the role models...here comes Captain America telling them they should be acting like white folks that they have no legitimate experience with. It's not that you're wrong that they ideally should behave that way, it's that they may not be equipped at that time to understand any of that, in any meaningful way.


White privilege as it concerns sociology, is about identifying issues and root cause analysis. Referring to such analysis as a "blame game" makes no sense.
There are causes and effects for behavior. Hell, our entire justice system is predicated on the change in behavior that a combination of penalties, and spectacle of seeing those penalties handed out, creates. Yes, if you have a terrible justice system Cap, I will in part blame your lack of a good justice system on the crime in your society. Even though every individual could have chosen not to be bad....there are STILL places you can look to correct.


Your friends are young, impoverished inner city, from broken homes, all? Even then, it would be anecdotal at best. (quite impressive but still anecdotal).


Why would you feel guilty about it? Awareness and acceptance of it is sufficient for most I suspect.
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Not much here I disagree with. I get it. I'm trying to be sensitive to it.

But, I hope you will understand, my "Captain America" persona here, right or wrong, has always been one that shot from the hip. More times than not, based on life's experiences and observations, rather than some politicalbias.com click bait link. I have been right. I have been wrong. I would hope my peers have judged me to be more right than wrong here, however, there are those that are so whack I really could care less what they think about me or anything else for that matter. So, in short, I might be right and I might be wrong on any given topic. But I am always real. I have never, and will never, let anyone piss on my neck and try to tell me it's raining.

I am willing to accept facts, that I know to be true, even though I wish they weren't. We can make a list down through history of events and situations that clearly show how the white race in America was clearly privileged with a leg up. (Refer to my bread and water for 200 years analogy post a few pages back.)

On that same time line, we can show efforts being made to try to make things right and better. Point in case, in 2017, any white guy that tries to enslave a colony of blacks to work at his farm/factory, etc., 'enslaving' them in the true sense of the word, would find himself sitting in prison alongside the young black dude who carjacked some old lady. That's progress. Attempts were made with Affirmative Action. White folks have taken up the cause of the black struggle. There are lawyers out there that have made a cottage industry trying discrimination cases. Attempts to extend the olive branch have been taken by the white man to lift up the black man. It took a while on the timeline of history but it arrived, just the same. Certainly, it could still use some improvement.

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Today, a business owner who is presented with a well spoken, well-mannered qualified black applicant, I submit, would most likely choose the black applicant faster than he would a white applicant with the same qualities because he knows this type of black man is an asset to his business. (But, I'm also sure there are some who would not.)

The good white folks in this world WANT to help. We WANT to do what's right. But that also comes with certain expectations and when those expectations fall short, we don't want to be made to feel guilty about it. That is counter-productive. Do it enough to a white guy (or any guy for that matter,) and eventually you will get a "don't give a damn" attitude in return. That helps the situation none.

I am not blind to the hardships many black youths are born in to. As you say, drug addicted families, broken homes, etc. That's terrible. But, there again, it goes back to my earlier comments about lack of character and the resulting consequences. The poor kid had no positive role model, an uneducated mother strung out on drugs, no one to teach him from right and wrong. Stuck in an environment of violence and ignorance and crime. That does break my heart. I'm not trying at all to ignore those factors or not be insensitive about it.

But, the chain HAS to be broken or the apple will surely not fall from the tree. People will surely reap what they sow. It's hard for a child to come up in such environments and turn out to be anything other than what their environments have made them. We are all products of our own environment to some degree. Some, more than others.

All I know is, I broke my personal chains. You might be surprised to know that in my neighborhood, by the time I was 16 years old, I was one of three white kids living in a 2 mile radius of my home. The other two were my brothers. My upbringing was not as lilly-white as you might imagine. I learned way back then to love black people and at the same time hate black people. By the time I graduated high-school, I practically spoke in ebonics. Again, a product of my own environment.

I see both sides. I am simply saying that I feel no reason, in 2017, how anyone can scapegoat on history. To me, it's just a lazy excuse.
 
Captain America said:
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Today, a business owner who is presented with a well spoken, well-mannered qualified black applicant, I submit, would most likely choose the black applicant faster than he would a white applicant with the same qualities because he knows this type of black man is an asset to his business. (But, I'm also sure there are some who would not.)
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Yes, in moderation, I think this is a good thing, for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure about in the south, if it's that prevalent, or in certain niche's, but I bet someone somewhere is studying the trends, which is also good (either way, info is good.) I went to the ER once in the deep south and was in incredible pain and a time sensitive surgical emergency, and the nurse said the only doctor on call was ...a black man, and if that would be OK. I'm not sure how the hiring in that environment works out.

The good white folks in this world WANT to help. We WANT to do what's right. But that also comes with certain expectations and when those expectations fall short, we don't want to be made to feel guilty about it. That is counter-productive. Do it enough to a white guy (or any guy for that matter,) and eventually you will get a "don't give a damn" attitude in return. That helps the situation none.
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I agree, no one should be guilting you about a sociological phenomenon that is not an individual-level thing.
SJWs, extremists, they are not the norm, but they are the loud/annoying ones I know. And I agree, they do this to raise awareness, but it comes with a price. I argue the same thing about liberals when they demonize the wealthy (which I do now too in my own way!).

Stuck in an environment of violence and ignorance and crime. That does break my heart. I'm not trying at all to ignore those factors or not be insensitive about it.--- I am simply saying that I feel no reason, in 2017, how anyone can scapegoat on history. To me, it's just a lazy excuse.
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I think those two points together are a bit contradictory, but we've both put in enough I think to get the points made and discussed, thanks for the discussion!
 
Thanks back at ya Mach. Enjoyed the civil swap of ideas. You got a pretty good head on your shoulders.

Have a great weekend.
 
The weird thing I find when having these conversations with "decent" conservatives (I count you as one, by the way, sorry if that tarnishes the rep, I'll do my best to keep it to myself...haha), is that at the same time they want to denounce the concept, they're basically aligned in their responses. Let's see what you've got here.

RetiredUSN said:
I don't put up with anyone who denigrates a person just because of their color.
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Ok, so that is what us Liberal snowflakes call using your privilege to be an ally! Congratulations, you're a SJW... ;)

RetiredUSN said:
I lived that life of being a racist Irish punk on the streets of Boston, and when I look back I can see that I just wanted to fit in with all the other racist Irish & Italians on the streets of Boston. We used to beat the **** out of every black kid who had the balls to come into our area, and the blacks would reciprocate. The Navy actually opened my eyes, and the worm slowly turned after time. My brother has a black wife who I adore, and two of my 3 grandchildren are 1/2 Filipino.
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Ok, and this both demonstrates the racial divide, as well as how those who have that mindset can be brought around through education and awareness.

RetiredUSN said:
If you take the average punk black kid off the street and place him in a safe environment where learning and achievement are a priority, his world changes. (for most) Amazing how things change....eh?
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Not amazing at all! This is why I, and folks like me, want to see the disparity addressed. Currently the statistics on education show that we are simply not doing this in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods. Currently the statistics demonstrate that they are not safe areas, due to wealth disparity and disparity in how they are treated by the justice system. Fix these issues, and then let's see what happens to the statistics, and, more importantly, let's see what happens in the lives of these fellow citizens that you share your country with.

RetiredUSN said:
Stats are cookie cutter & one pill cures all....................and tend to takes away what each individual black person has experienced.
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No, stats on their own cure nothing. They are simply an indicator that a problem exists at a high level, and that steps are needed to drill down to understand that problem so it can be addressed effectively.

The one thing your post here has made me think about is the fact that perhaps this is a terminology problem more than anything else. I hate to say it, because I know we're supposed to like cobra and mongoose, due to our political leanings, but I'm not sure we're as far apart on this issue as you think we are...something I suspect would be true about a lot of things, if ever we became committed to non-partisan, collaborative engagement in most issues we face in North America.
 
Not amazing at all! This is why I, and folks like me, want to see the disparity addressed. Currently the statistics on education show that we are simply not doing this in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods. Currently the statistics demonstrate that they are not safe areas, due to wealth disparity and disparity in how they are treated by the justice system. Fix these issues, and then let's see what happens to the statistics, and, more importantly, let's see what happens in the lives of these fellow citizens that you share your country with.
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All the white privilege in the world won't fix these problems. The answer has to come from within.

A good place to start is for the student to quit call his teacher "bitch." Yeah, and maybe leave the guns at home. Actually crack a book open from time to time and look upon school as an institute of learning instead of a social gathering place to sell and buy dope and hit up on the shorty's.

Not a total solution but a good place to begin.
 
Captain America said:
All the white privilege in the world won't fix these problems. The answer has to come from within.

A good place to start is for the student to quit call his teacher "bitch." Yeah, and maybe leave the guns at home. Actually crack a book open from time to time and look upon school as an institute of learning instead of a social gathering place to sell and buy dope and hit up on the shorty's.

Not a total solution but a good place to begin.
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Gee, perhaps this entire society needs to change as opposed to the guilt, sin, blame game. Fatass chance.
 
OlNate said:
The weird thing I find when having these conversations with "decent" conservatives (I count you as one, by the way, sorry if that tarnishes the rep, I'll do my best to keep it to myself...haha), is that at the same time they want to denounce the concept, they're basically aligned in their responses. Let's see what you've got here.



Ok, so that is what us Liberal snowflakes call using your privilege to be an ally! Congratulations, you're a SJW... ;)



Ok, and this both demonstrates the racial divide, as well as how those who have that mindset can be brought around through education and awareness.



Not amazing at all! This is why I, and folks like me, want to see the disparity addressed. Currently the statistics on education show that we are simply not doing this in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods. Currently the statistics demonstrate that they are not safe areas, due to wealth disparity and disparity in how they are treated by the justice system. Fix these issues, and then let's see what happens to the statistics, and, more importantly, let's see what happens in the lives of these fellow citizens that you share your country with.



No, stats on their own cure nothing. They are simply an indicator that a problem exists at a high level, and that steps are needed to drill down to understand that problem so it can be addressed effectively.

The one thing your post here has made me think about is the fact that perhaps this is a terminology problem more than anything else. I hate to say it, because I know we're supposed to like cobra and mongoose, due to our political leanings, but I'm not sure we're as far apart on this issue as you think we are...something I suspect would be true about a lot of things, if ever we became committed to non-partisan, collaborative engagement in most issues we face in North America.
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Too many people have to look at it from a political and analytical perspective because they never walked the walk. When you get down the the street level like I have lived, your perspective will change because you will see that there are people out there who are perfectly comfortable living in a manner that we call sub standard. Welfare families, and other lower class income families have become generational because the young pick up on the habits and attitudes of their parents. They never learn anything else. Shopping malls and Academia are a shock to their system because they cannot fathom life being that way.

The average "do gooder" has no idea how to communicate with these young folk.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Too many people have to look at it from a political and analytical perspective because they never walked the walk. When you get down the the street level like I have lived, your perspective will change because you will see that there are people out there who are perfectly comfortable living in a manner that we call sub standard. Welfare families, and other lower class income families have become generational because the young pick up on the habits and attitudes of their parents. They never learn anything else. Shopping malls and Academia are a shock to their system because they cannot fathom life being that way.

The average "do gooder" has no idea how to communicate with these young folk.
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And those who do aspire to break their chains of cultural bondage are often ostracized by those of their community that do not. The word 'uppity' and Uncle Tom, come to mind.

That is why I say that if you find an African American applicant that chose the high road, instead of the generational low road and against surmountable odds, an employer would be a fool not to hire this person. I am all for positive reinforcement for positive behaviors. But I am also for negative reinforcement towards anti-social/negative behaviors. (Or, just put them on extinction, at a minimum.)
 
RetiredUSN said:
Too many people have to look at it from a political and analytical perspective because they never walked the walk. When you get down the the street level like I have lived, your perspective will change because you will see that there are people out there who are perfectly comfortable living in a manner that we call sub standard. Welfare families, and other lower class income families have become generational because the young pick up on the habits and attitudes of their parents. They never learn anything else. Shopping malls and Academia are a shock to their system because they cannot fathom life being that way.

The average "do gooder" has no idea how to communicate with these young folk.
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But, you said yourself that if you put these kids in a safe environment where they are supported and given a good education, the change happens.

Let me float something for you that you might find surprising. Contrary to what folks on here might think, I'm not exclusively a "bleeding heart lib". Yes, I do care what happens to people and it tears at me when I think about people starting out life statistically disadvantaged compared to others. I see my own son, and think about how that would feel, understanding I can never know how that feels, despite being faaaaaaar from a rich white dude, another accusation I've suffered here by people who can only think in terms of stereotypes.

But there is another side to this. I also believe in strong communities, which lead, in their summation, to strong nations and strong societies. The part that I think so folks forget is that if we do nothing, and allow the status quo to continue, then we are not operating on all cylinders as a society, which ends up costing all of us. Long term social programs that wouldn't be necessary if everyone was given a fair shot and be better equipped to exist in this world on their own steam are a waste. I believe strongly in social programs where necessary...but I still would rather see the necessity addressed where possible. Understanding why these disparities exist goes a long way to dealing with them, which, if nothing else makes you feel it's worthwhile to do so, will equate to less tax money going to social programs that are currently only necessary due to these disparities. We can hold individuals accountable for their contributions, but not until we can demonstrate that they should be measured with the same scale because they experience the same conditions under which they are expected to succeed.

You're right about the average "do gooder" not knowing how to fix things, I totally agree. You wouldn't hire a plumber to perform open heart surgery, even though they may be familiar liquid flow. My strength is analysis, so all I can do is make a case that these disparities exist as real problems to be addressed, in addition to the normal everyday stuff that we can all do, like calling out people spouting off racist nonsense or educating someone who may not be familiar with the facts. Why you, and every other "doubting Thomas" is so important is because as a society we need to prioritize addressing these issues by getting the right people on the job who can determine what needs doing and execute those initiatives, and that's not going to happen unless we all make it a priority.
 
OlNate said:
But, you said yourself that if you put these kids in a safe environment where they are supported and given a good education, the change happens.

Let me float something for you that you might find surprising. Contrary to what folks on here might think, I'm not exclusively a "bleeding heart lib". Yes, I do care what happens to people and it tears at me when I think about people starting out life statistically disadvantaged compared to others. I see my own son, and think about how that would feel, understanding I can never know how that feels, despite being faaaaaaar from a rich white dude, another accusation I've suffered here by people who can only think in terms of stereotypes.

But there is another side to this. I also believe in strong communities, which lead, in their summation, to strong nations and strong societies. The part that I think so folks forget is that if we do nothing, and allow the status quo to continue, then we are not operating on all cylinders as a society, which ends up costing all of us. Long term social programs that wouldn't be necessary if everyone was given a fair shot and be better equipped to exist in this world on their own steam are a waste. I believe strongly in social programs where necessary...but I still would rather see the necessity addressed where possible. Understanding why these disparities exist goes a long way to dealing with them, which, if nothing else makes you feel it's worthwhile to do so, will equate to less tax money going to social programs that are currently only necessary due to these disparities. We can hold individuals accountable for their contributions, but not until we can demonstrate that they should be measured with the same scale because they experience the same conditions under which they are expected to succeed.

You're right about the average "do gooder" not knowing how to fix things, I totally agree. You wouldn't hire a plumber to perform open heart surgery, even though they may be familiar liquid flow. My strength is analysis, so all I can do is make a case that these disparities exist as real problems to be addressed, in addition to the normal everyday stuff that we can all do, like calling out people spouting off racist nonsense or educating someone who may not be familiar with the facts. Why you, and every other "doubting Thomas" is so important is because as a society we need to prioritize addressing these issues by getting the right people on the job who can determine what needs doing and execute those initiatives, and that's not going to happen unless we all make it a priority.
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The safe environment begins at home that is run by responsible adults. It is almost impossible in urban America to afford a place in a safe neighborhood while raising kids under welfare support. The government will never replace a nurturing home. There are segments of society that will happily raise kids under these conditions, and learned the habit early in life. Some are even taught that it is their rights?

Generational & Cultural.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The safe environment begins at home that is run by responsible adults. It is almost impossible in urban America to afford a place in a safe neighborhood while raising kids under welfare support. The government will never replace a nurturing home. There are segments of society that will happily raise kids under these conditions, and learned the habit early in life. Some are even taught that it is their rights?

Generational & Cultural.
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Generational, yes, because there has been a disparity for generations. Cultural? Only if you mean culturally imposed. You need to go to root cause, man, and you're stopping at the stuff that annoys you. Why do you ignore the statistics that schools in poor black community are underfunded? That's not welfare, that's part of your basic societal infrastructure, the single greatest thing that will enable these kids to break the cycle. YOU benefit from having your citizenry educated as much as anyone receiving that education. Start there, and while you're at it, make cops keep their body cameras on and persecute the the fullest extent possible when racial discrimination can be proven, not just the officer that directly does the offense, but those standing around and doing nothing. Those two items alone will start a snowball effect that will change the potential and the attitude of those communities where you say these problems exist. You said so yourself about the education, and I don't think it's that much of a stretch when it comes to the cops.
 
OlNate said:
Generational, yes, because there has been a disparity for generations. Cultural? Only if you mean culturally imposed. You need to go to root cause, man, and you're stopping at the stuff that annoys you. Why do you ignore the statistics that schools in poor black community are underfunded? That's not welfare, that's part of your basic societal infrastructure, the single greatest thing that will enable these kids to break the cycle. YOU benefit from having your citizenry educated as much as anyone receiving that education. Start there, and while you're at it, make cops keep their body cameras on and persecute the the fullest extent possible when racial discrimination can be proven, not just the officer that directly does the offense, but those standing around and doing nothing. Those two items alone will start a snowball effect that will change the potential and the attitude of those communities where you say these problems exist. You said so yourself about the education, and I don't think it's that much of a stretch when it comes to the cops.
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I know people who claim they get nothing from other people being educated. They also tend to use that as a rationale for not wanting to pay taxes for public schools.

I believe those people are fools.
 
OlNate said:
Generational, yes, because there has been a disparity for generations. Cultural? Only if you mean culturally imposed. You need to go to root cause, man, and you're stopping at the stuff that annoys you. Why do you ignore the statistics that schools in poor black community are underfunded? That's not welfare, that's part of your basic societal infrastructure, the single greatest thing that will enable these kids to break the cycle. YOU benefit from having your citizenry educated as much as anyone receiving that education. Start there, and while you're at it, make cops keep their body cameras on and persecute the the fullest extent possible when racial discrimination can be proven, not just the officer that directly does the offense, but those standing around and doing nothing. Those two items alone will start a snowball effect that will change the potential and the attitude of those communities where you say these problems exist. You said so yourself about the education, and I don't think it's that much of a stretch when it comes to the cops.
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There is little or nothing that the government can do to that they have not already tried. You can assist the poor with food and housing, but they have to change from within to break out and excel. They have to take charge of their neighborhoods and get the thugs out so the kids have a safer place to live.

Culture? When and if poor neighborhoods ever get over the fear of "snitches get stitches" and work with the police, I think you would see a drastic reduction in crime.
 
RetiredUSN said:
There is little or nothing that the government can do to that they have not already tried. You can assist the poor with food and housing, but they have to change from within to break out and excel. They have to take charge of their neighborhoods and get the thugs out so the kids have a safer place to live.

Culture? When and if poor neighborhoods ever get over the fear of "snitches get stitches" and work with the police, I think you would see a drastic reduction in crime.
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Ret, come on, man, the government can't do anything? Again, why do you ignore the underfunding of schools in poor black neighborhoods? Do you not see that as an opportunity? Why can't the government do something about racism in police forces? That's just basic.

I don't get you man...you come out with the answer, I acknowledge it, and you back away from it like a cat surprised by a cucumber. (Youtube it...hehe)
 
OlNate said:
Ret, come on, man, the government can't do anything? Again, why do you ignore the underfunding of schools in poor black neighborhoods? Do you not see that as an opportunity? Why can't the government do something about racism in police forces? That's just basic.

I don't get you man...you come out with the answer, I acknowledge it, and you back away from it like a cat surprised by a cucumber. (Youtube it...hehe)
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Underfunding of black schools has little to do with discrimination, and a lot to do with the local tax base.
 
OlNate said:
Ya, I mean, I think "small group of extremists" is a little generous...not that I have a huge issue with you using it, not at all, this isn't the start of a rant, but I think it's important to acknowledge a couple of things. First of all, you have to consider the power being wielded by some of these people. While some attention seeking d-bag on an Internet forum might not change anyone's day, a cop with that attitude can be deadly. Yes, I honestly believe (maybe naively) that the majority of cops are good...but the amount of impact that the bad cops have makes them a really big problem.

Secondly, you cannot omit the power of doing nothing. Going back to the cop example, it's rarely just a lone wolf cop acting on his / her own. While they might be the ones that commit the crime, you always see the other cops around them doing nothing... Furthermore, I doubt that a bad cop becomes a bad cop overnight and just decides to shoot a black person. If there were indicators before, but their fellow officers do nothing about it, that's a problem. When we know there's a problem and do nothing about it, especially when we are benefiting from the status quo, then we are part of the problem.
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Speaking of "doing nothing" I am coming to the conclusion that is just what the "white privilege crowd" does. Sits around with their other white friends bemoaning the "privilege" they have.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Just a tad difficult to work with a power structure that murders and mass incarcerates you, hope you learn this yourself at some point. I understand you are part of the problem, and I learned long ago that expecting empathy from the likes of you is just silly. As for sympathy, my understanding is that it can be located in the dictionary somewhere in between **** and syphilis.

Bbbbbbbbbbut Chicago!!!!
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actually it's young black males who are "murdering" other young black males. you are looking at the wrong problem. Are you also suggesting that the majority of black people in prison are innocent?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Speaking of "doing nothing" I am coming to the conclusion that is just what the "white privilege crowd" does. Sits around with their other white friends bemoaning the "privilege" they have.
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Good for you, you're my hero.
 
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