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Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

poweRob said:
It is in fact a good question. Too bad its near impossible to talk about in here being that the right's head explodes just upon the topic and then they hypocritically start calling others "snowflakes" as was done here on page one. But it is a good question.

How did you come to this conclusion? What events or scenarios do you recognize as there being white privilege?
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I can see that I have advantages over other races and ethnicities in many areas, and that certain presumptions are often made in my favor, that's all.

But, it's nothing that I did, and it's nothing that I feel ashamed about (never have), it just is. My only obligation is to give other people a fair shake as much as possible, which I was already doing anyway.

Having said that, the advantages afforded to me as a white male are not absolute. Things like Affirmative Action actively work to thwart me at times, based solely on my status as a white male. If I go into certain neighborhoods or environments I no longer have any advantages at all, in fact I'm at a disadvantage.
 
radcen said:
I can see that I have advantages over other races and ethnicities in many areas, and that certain presumptions are often made in my favor, that's all.

But, it's nothing that I did, and it's nothing that I feel ashamed about (never have), it just is. My only obligation is to give other people a fair shake as much as possible, which I was already doing anyway.

Having said that, the advantages afforded to me as a white male are not absolute. Things like Affirmative Action actively work to thwart me at times, based solely on my status as a white male. If I go into certain neighborhoods or environments I no longer have any advantages at all, in fact I'm at a disadvantage.
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The GI Bill was affirmative action for whites and the economy boomed. Who did that thwart?
 
poweRob said:
I just dropped into the thread and thought it would be an interesting conversation and couldn't make it through page one before it got all hacked up by people not interested in talking about it as much as they are interested in derailing it.
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And that would be a VERY accurate assessment!
I'm certainly not recommending you read all the posts because there's a lot of nonsense in it that most people just laugh at. But it is nice to see its only like about 4 posters or so having a meltdown while most just get it exists. IF you get board those its funny to read some of the things they made up.

Anyway I made two posts that just got ignored from them, the ran for the hills when they were posted and that tells me all i needed to know. They want WP to be TOTALLY something else but its not, its just an unfortunate thing that still exists. Its just based on the history of country, racism still existing and our societal and human nature shaped by the reality of our society, :shrug:

I explain it rather easy.
Take 100 white males and 100 black males. Make them equal in what ever one chooses: intellectual ability, physical ability, family structure, financial stability or instability, morals, culture etc etc and then release them into the country in pairs. One avg the white males will end up better off than the black ones. Just reality :shrug:
 
poweRob said:
I just dropped into the thread and thought it would be an interesting conversation and couldn't make it through page one before it got all hacked up by people not interested in talking about it as much as they are interested in derailing it.
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Surprisingly, though, there's been a lot of good discussion, too. More than the usual race-themed thread, IMO.
 
radcen said:
I can see that I have advantages over other races and ethnicities in many areas, and that certain presumptions are often made in my favor, that's all.

But, it's nothing that I did, and it's nothing that I feel ashamed about (never have), it just is. My only obligation is to give other people a fair shake as much as possible, which I was already doing anyway.

Having said that, the advantages afforded to me as a white male are not absolute. Things like Affirmative Action actively work to thwart me at times, based solely on my status as a white male. If I go into certain neighborhoods or environments I no longer have any advantages at all, in fact I'm at a disadvantage.
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NAILED IT!!!!!!!!
although theres absolutely ZERO "actual/real" affirmative action that will ever thwart you (fake AA will) I agree with the opinion parts of your post and the factual parts NAIL IT! very good!
Common sense, intellectual honesty and reality based talk at its finest!!!

:applaud:thumbs::bravo:
 
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radcen said:
Surprisingly, though, there's been a lot of good discussion, too. More than the usual race-themed thread, IMO.
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Agreed!
 
radcen said:
I can see that I have advantages over other races and ethnicities in many areas, and that certain presumptions are often made in my favor, that's all.

But, it's nothing that I did, and it's nothing that I feel ashamed about (never have), it just is. My only obligation is to give other people a fair shake as much as possible, which I was already doing anyway.

Having said that, the advantages afforded to me as a white male are not absolute. Things like Affirmative Action actively work to thwart me at times, based solely on my status as a white male. If I go into certain neighborhoods or environments I no longer have any advantages at all, in fact I'm at a disadvantage.
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I think the shame part is an aside. A part of the discussion that isn't good or worthy of discussion. I think its about privilege and advantages and that's it. The race really doesn't matter in that people being white didn't actually make anything happen. Whatever race is in charge and holds an unbelievable lead or has an unbelievable grasp on the power structure, (politically, economically) all over, that race is going to have unspoken advantages down the line.

I'm here in New Mexico and its a running joke with the latino nepotism and control for jobs around here where I'm at. I applied, I kid you not, with near 100 resumes for government jobs here (Santa fe is mostly state, county and city jobs not much in the way of manufacturing here) and I did get in after years and years of applying. If I were latino with the right last name and some family members already in, I'd have been in like Flynn in no time.

There's a guy who worked for the county who got busted selling heroine in the parking lot. Got fired, and landed a job with the city soon-there-after. He was tied into the power structure by race and family and the like. Privilege happens and it really ****ing sucks being on the downside of it. And what I dealt with was a very slim majority. I couldn't imagine if my race was only 30% of the area or 10% nationwide as is the case with the African American population.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
1.)Do you have a point? For all your arguing, you sure aren't saying anything.
2.) Try boiling your overall point regarding this topic down to two sentences.
3.)Agent J is aiding in its derailment. About all that can be gleaned from his emphatic comments here is "white privilege exists, and everything to the contrary is a straw man!"
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1.) yes and i made it very clearly if you have actually read my posts
2.) already done LMAO if you have a specific question that isnt answered in my posts already simply ask
3.) I'm not the topic and nope I never said that one single time, why post lies when they are easily proven wrong. Thanks for proving my point though. The things I point out as strawman and that FACTUALLY are were things like "Im not teaching my kids to be ashamed" "obama was president so WP doesnt exist" and "stats" that have nothing to do with WP.
Maybe next time read before you go on the attack, your post wont fail so quickly.
Now if you have a question for me that is on topic and hasnt already been answered in my posts feel free, thanks :)
 
eohrnberger said:
And your point is born out by the victim society and the militant minorities present in many of the inner cities living in squalor and on welfare, rather than working themselves up and out.
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The reality is that there aren't as many opportunities to do that in inner cities...just as there aren't in Appalachian states.


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radcen said:
Cherry-picked photos. :roll:
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Indeed I did but it still illustrates the point. The concept of privilege based on race is idiotic.


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VanceMack said:
The reality is that there aren't as many opportunities to do that in inner cities...just as there aren't in Appalachian states.


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By design, these are some of the american sacrifice zones and they are growing.
 
VanceMack said:
The reality is that there aren't as many opportunities to do that in inner cities...just as there aren't in Appalachian states.


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Kinda hard to do when there are riots burning down local businesses.

Fenton Lum said:
By design, these are some of the american sacrifice zones and they are growing.
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Self-inflicted in many cases.
 
If you were born American, white and middle class, you got off to a lucky start. What happened after that depended on a whole lot of other things but if your lucky start didn't help along the way something messed you up.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda hard to do when there are riots burning down local businesses.



Self-inflicted in many cases.
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Or the coal industry is extracting a region's natural wealth then abandoning laborers in a depleted landscape.
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed I did but it still illustrates the point. The concept of privilege based on race is idiotic.


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I disagree as per my last post. People are tribal beings. They often stick to what resembles themselves most as a defense mechanism and race can play into that quite a bit consciously and/or subconsciously.
 
I have a cousin, call her Kristen, who married an Air Force cadet roughly 20 years ago, right around the time when he was about to graduate from the Academy out in Colorado Springs. He happened to be Black. Today, he is a colonel and CO at one of the big bases in Europe somewhere. Half the family says, "Kristen sure landed herself a good catch." The other half? Well, they are still stuck on, and usually spoken just out of earshot, "Could she not do any better than landing a Black man?"

Interesting to me are hearing her thoughts on life as a mixed couple in Europe versus N America. I'll let you all guess which continent gets the better review.

More interesting though is hearing her say that she never understood white privilege until she married a black man. According to her, all the stereotypes we hear are true. The way heads turn and you are looked at when you walk into a Cracker Barrel; the way you get extra questions when pulled over on the interstate; crap her kids have to deal with in school, and, of course, the rude comments, easily overheard, which are made by ignorant family members.
 
JackA said:
If you were born American, white and middle class, you got off to a lucky start. What happened after that depended on a whole lot of other things but if your lucky start didn't help along the way something messed you up.
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And that is spreading, hence all the angst.
 
Fenton Lum said:
By design, these are some of the american sacrifice zones and they are growing.
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Liberals like their voting blocs in one place and easy to exploit.
 
calamity said:
I have a cousin, call her Kristen, who married an Air Force cadet when he was about to graduate from the Academy out in Colorado Springs about 20 years ago. He happened to be Black. Today, he is a colonel and CO at one of the big bases in Europe somewhere. Half the family says, "Kristen sure landed herself a good catch." The other half? Well, they are still stuck on, and usually spoken just out of earshot, "Could she not do any better than landing a Black man?"

Interesting to me are hearing her thoughts on life as a mixed couple in Europe versus N America. I'll let you all guess which continent gets the better review.

More interesting though is hearing her say that she never understood white privilege until she married a black man. According to her, all the stereotypes we hear are true. The way heads turn and you are looked at when you walk into a Cracker Barrel; the way you get extra questions when pulled over on the interstate; crap her kids have to deal with in school, and, of course, the rude comments, easily overheard, which are made by ignorant family members.
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White privilege is never having to know, confront, or understand any of that.
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed I did but it still illustrates the point. The concept of privilege based on race is idiotic.
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It's not absolute, as I have mentioned in other posts, but an equal number of contradictory photos does not demonstrate or prove equality, either.
 
poweRob said:
I disagree as per my last post. People are tribal beings. They often stick to what resembles themselves most as a defense mechanism and race can play into that quite a bit consciously or subconsciously.
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Especially when 'race' is so often destructively reinforced. Still...across the country colleges have significant minority student populations. Outside of the inner city communities black Americans thrive. Perhaps there is benefit when talking about institutional oppression what the actual institutions are that oppressing black Americans.
 
calamity said:
I have a cousin, call her Kristen, who married an Air Force cadet roughly 20 years ago, right around the time when he was about to graduate from the Academy out in Colorado Springs. He happened to be Black. Today, he is a colonel and CO at one of the big bases in Europe somewhere. Half the family says, "Kristen sure landed herself a good catch." The other half? Well, they are still stuck on, and usually spoken just out of earshot, "Could she not do any better than landing a Black man?"

Interesting to me are hearing her thoughts on life as a mixed couple in Europe versus N America. I'll let you all guess which continent gets the better review.

More interesting though is hearing her say that she never understood white privilege until she married a black man. According to her, all the stereotypes we hear are true. The way heads turn and you are looked at when you walk into a Cracker Barrel; the way you get extra questions when pulled over on the interstate; crap her kids have to deal with in school, and, of course, the rude comments, easily overheard, which are made by ignorant family members.
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That's so depressing to hear. Yet I think it's still better now than anytime prior.
 
radcen said:
It's not absolute, as I have mentioned in other posts, but an equal number of contradictory photos does not demonstrate or prove equality, either.
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But reality does prove the point...the pictures just illustrate it. There are more white Americans living in poverty than black Americans. Whites living in impoverished majority black communities are no more likely to make it out than blacks living in those communities. Minorities living in majority white cities that experience poverty and unemployment have the same concerns and problams as do whites living there.

The problem remains...not race. As long as we focus on NOT the problem we will never progress to solutions TO the actual problem.
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed I did but it still illustrates the point. The concept of privilege based on race is idiotic.


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How do your picks illustrate the point that there is no such thing as white privileged, we would LOVE to read you factually explain that. Thanks!
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