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How Deep into the GOP Does this Russian Thing Go?

calamity said:
This article is very credible, as it connects many of the dots that were already lying loose out there.

Remember hearing this?
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All conspiracy theory dots are easy to connect...especially when using unnamed sources.
 
How deep has Russia got its thing into the GOP???

Shame on you!
 
Moot said:
It's also been said that Rohrabacher is Putin's favorite congressman.

Putin’s favorite congressman - POLITICO


It might not have been wrong for Rohrabacher to get information from a Russian operative regarding the Magnitsky Act....but it was definitely wrong for Trump to collude with Russia to rig the national election.
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LOL

Well, your claim about the President is about as credible as the claim in the OP. But, so far, I'm guessing reading that 1000 times hasn't changed anything for you, so there you go.
 
Mycroft said:
All conspiracy theory dots are easy to connect...especially when using unnamed sources.
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But of course. Best of all, the connecting of the dots isn't substantiated with anything even close to resembling any real or hard evidence, all the better for the conspiracy theorists, who are often victims of their own confirmation bias . . . wishful thinking and all that.
 
eohrnberger said:
But of course. Best of all, the connecting of the dots isn't substantiated with anything even close to resembling any real or hard evidence, all the better for the conspiracy theorists, who are often victims of their own confirmation bias . . . wishful thinking and all that.
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Let me guess....another one who didn't read the article linked to in the op.
 
calamity said:
Let me guess....another one who didn't read the article linked to in the op.
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I scanned it. Seemed to be full of the same ol' proverbial brown substance that all the other Russia! Russia! Russia! reports are full of.

Long on conjecture, gossip and innuendo, short on hard evidence. After some 6-8 months of this, there hasn't been anything substantive as of yet. I rather doubt that there ever will be.
 
eohrnberger said:
I scanned it. Seemed to be full of the same ol' proverbial brown substance that all the other Russia! Russia! Russia! reports are full of.

Long on conjecture, gossip and innuendo, short on hard evidence. After some 6-8 months of this, there hasn't been anything substantive as of yet. I rather doubt that there ever will be.
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no, nothing... :roll:

How the GOP Became the Party of Putin
 
eohrnberger said:
Call me when there's something substantive that'll actually hold up in court and that there was an actual crime committed.
Until then . . .
(Sorry, the media has been crying 'wolf' far too much lately to be taken seriously beyond being Chicken Little's)
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Well, you don't have to participate in these threads....ya know. No one is holding your head to the screen and forcing your fingers to tap. But, if you do, it would be nice if you actually read the articles you mock. :roll:
 
calamity said:
Well, you don't have to participate in these threads....ya know. No one is holding your head to the screen and forcing your fingers to tap. But, if you do, it would be nice if you actually read the articles you mock. :roll:
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Because it's amusing to see what crazy CTs people post about, and to see the vim and vigor they believe in them, such as yourself.

You just won't accept that there's not a single bit of criminality that occurred in the contacts between the Trumps, the Trump campaign and the Russians. For that, there are others who appear to have, which you and others just ignore with the same vim and vigor. The hypocrisy is just astounding to behold.
 
eohrnberger said:
Because it's amusing to see what crazy CTs people post about, and to see the vim and vigor they believe in them, such as yourself.

You just won't accept that there's not a single bit of criminality that occurred in the contacts between the Trumps, the Trump campaign and the Russians. For that, there are others who appear to have, which you and others just ignore with the same vim and vigor. The hypocrisy is just astounding to behold.
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Well, you can pretend what you wish. The rest of us will watch this administration unravel one day at a time.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...k-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas
 
calamity said:
Well, you can pretend what you wish. The rest of us will watch this administration unravel one day at a time.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...k-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas
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Again, little more than innuendo, as has become typical of this CT.

The article doesn't state that subpoenas have been issued, only that "Deutsche Bank . . . are expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller", so nothing yet.

A subpoenas, especially for information, still does not demonstrate that any crime has taken place.

I stand by my previous post, which is 'show me the money'. I refuse to be driven into a speculation frenzy by what amounts to unsubstantiated reporting, as we've experienced an excess of, to date.

I'm not denying that something may come. It may indeed. Until it does . . .
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Exactly.

If Clinton did it, then the GOP should emulate it.

We should make the GOP in Clinton's image.

jk

Really though—what kind of a sorry-ass standard is Clinton's behavior?

Why the **** would anyone hold that **** up as a standard for Trump's behavior?

Can Trump really do no better than Clinton?
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That's a good one.

Ima spread that around.
 
Kobie said:
Why do people continue to repeat this blatant falsehood?
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Persuasion is a science of emotions, tying positive or negative feeling to things. So if you train someone to be angry about "x", when they hear "x" it makes them angry. But often when they get angry they think about "x" too because they unconsciously associate it with anger.

This is why we see SO much whadaboutism.

They're mad.

Dems make them mad.

So if they're mad it must be the Dems fault.

Hilareeeeee!
 
eohrnberger said:
Again, little more than innuendo, as has become typical of this CT.

The article doesn't state that subpoenas have been issued, only that "Deutsche Bank . . . are expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller", so nothing yet.

A subpoenas, especially for information, still does not demonstrate that any crime has taken place.

I stand by my previous post, which is 'show me the money'. I refuse to be driven into a speculation frenzy by what amounts to unsubstantiated reporting, as we've experienced an excess of, to date.

I'm not denying that something may come. It may indeed. Until it does . . .
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I'm glad you are at least finally realizing that there may be something going on between Trump and Putin, The red flags have only being going up for 6 months non-stop. I will tell you this. There are only 2 choices for Trumps behavior when he met with Putin on the side recently. Either he thrives on controversy and can't stop himself or he is up to something.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Because it feels good to say it.

You get the same hit of neuro-transmitters from posting some crap as you do from posting something true.

So, the truthfulness is irrelevant in that respect.
Truthfulness has no impact on whether or not it feels good to post it.
So ****-posting happens.

Truthiness, however is relevant.
Truthiness is the property which determines if you get your hit of neuro-transmitters or not.
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Lol. Check out my response to that post.
 
The article is pretty shocking. Putin is a real life Bond villain. I can't believe he's been able to infiltrate this deeply into American politics.

So, the same Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr. is here again. But the Trumpsters insist she has nothing to do with Putin. How dumb are some people?

Magnitsky is a hero in my book. Most people would have kept quiet about the corruption he uncovered. Putin and his mobster palls are not to be trifled with.

RIP Magnitsky. Shame on Rep. Dana Rohrabacher. Shame on the Trump family and their supporters who turn a blind eye to what Putin has done and is doing all over the world.
 
iguanaman said:
I'm glad you are at least finally realizing that there may be something going on between Trump and Putin, The red flags have only being going up for 6 months non-stop. I will tell you this. There are only 2 choices for Trumps behavior when he met with Putin on the side recently. Either he thrives on controversy and can't stop himself or he is up to something.
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I think that it's rather unlikely that anything unthwart going on between Trump and Putin now or previously.

I think appearances and people's fevered imaginations, flogged on by the 'news' (tabloid political propaganda) media, driven by their hate of Trump and everything he stands for, makes the imagined appearance seem far worse than what they really are. That, and Trump's not having an entire adult career in politics where the slight of hand, deception and misdirection, and carefully crafted appearance, a believable facade, contributes to it appearing to some far worse that it probably is.

Everyone is claiming criminality has taken place, yet no one can cite both the broken law as well as sufficient evidence to make it a likely prosecution.

So, yeah, I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing there, and short of that, that which is there, isn't nearly as bad as what some fevered imaginations believe, no, demand we believe, is there.

One of the fundamentals in the CT, that Russia leaked all the DNC and Podesta emails to WikiLeaks, in spite of Russia's denials, in spite of Assange's denials, is accepted as fact.

The Russians aren't stupid. They know exactly how far they can push their fiddling around in US elections, such as they've done for some 50 years already, and how far they could push it before we'd get seriously pissed off. They wouldn't cross that line. They aren't stupid. What good does it do them to piss off the entire country? They have far more to lose than they'd have to gain.

No, I don't think the Russians got the DNC nor Podesta emails and leaked them. Occam's Razor would make it more reasonable that the DNC leak came from an internal, disgruntled, DNC staffer, perhaps even Seth Rich, or someone else like him, and Podesta's emails from someone else.

The Russians might have breached the DNC's servers, but what good does it do them to leak them out through WikiLeaks? Is Trump really that much of an advantage to for them to take the risk of pissing off the entire country? That surely doesn't seem to be so. Hell, Hillary was already bought and paid for by the Russians, lest we forget the Uranium One deal, and Bill's 1/2 million dollar speech in Moscow.
 
eohrnberger said:
I think that it's rather unlikely that anything unthwart going on between Trump and Putin now or previously.

I think appearances and people's fevered imaginations, flogged on by the 'news' (tabloid political propaganda) media, driven by their hate of Trump and everything he stands for, makes the imagined appearance seem far worse than what they really are. That, and Trump's not having an entire adult career in politics where the slight of hand, deception and misdirection, and carefully crafted appearance, a believable facade, contributes to it appearing to some far worse that it probably is.

Everyone is claiming criminality has taken place, yet no one can cite both the broken law as well as sufficient evidence to make it a likely prosecution.

So, yeah, I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing there, and short of that, that which is there, isn't nearly as bad as what some fevered imaginations believe, no, demand we believe, is there.

One of the fundamentals in the CT, that Russia leaked all the DNC and Podesta emails to WikiLeaks, in spite of Russia's denials, in spite of Assange's denials, is accepted as fact.

The Russians aren't stupid. They know exactly how far they can push their fiddling around in US elections, such as they've done for some 50 years already, and how far they could push it before we'd get seriously pissed off. They wouldn't cross that line. They aren't stupid. What good does it do them to piss off the entire country? They have far more to lose than they'd have to gain.

No, I don't think the Russians got the DNC nor Podesta emails and leaked them. Occam's Razor would make it more reasonable that the DNC leak came from an internal, disgruntled, DNC staffer, perhaps even Seth Rich, or someone else like him, and Podesta's emails from someone else.

The Russians might have breached the DNC's servers, but what good does it do them to leak them out through WikiLeaks? Is Trump really that much of an advantage to for them to take the risk of pissing off the entire country? That surely doesn't seem to be so. Hell, Hillary was already bought and paid for by the Russians, lest we forget the Uranium One deal, and Bill's 1/2 million dollar speech in Moscow.
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LOL So you are promoting a vast anti-Trump conspiracy that encompasses all intelligence services of the free world over all of the "Trumpettes" clandestine meetings with Russians that we keep finding out about. Wow talk about CT! That ones is right up there with the "truthers". Are you one of those too?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL So you are promoting a vast anti-Trump conspiracy that encompasses all intelligence services of the free world over all of the "Trumpettes" clandestine meetings with Russians that we keep finding out about. Wow talk about CT! That ones is right up there with the "truthers". Are you one of those too?
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I don't know where you are getting that out of my post. Or are you just making **** up?

No, there is no anti-Trump conspiracy, the 'news' (tabloid political propaganda) media are quite open in their hate for Trump. Expect no honesty in news coverage from this quarter.

No, I don't think "all intelligence services of the free world" are involved in it. All I'm pointing out that it doesn't make sense for the Russians to meddle in US elections any more so than they historically have, and the DNC leak wouldn't align with their history. The risk it too great and the reward is too little.
 
eohrnberger said:
I don't know where you are getting that out of my post. Or are you just making **** up?

No, there is no anti-Trump conspiracy, the 'news' (tabloid political propaganda) media are quite open in their hate for Trump. Expect no honesty in news coverage from this quarter.

No, I don't think "all intelligence services of the free world" are involved in it. All I'm pointing out that it doesn't make sense for the Russians to meddle in US elections any more so than they historically have, and the DNC leak wouldn't align with their history. The risk it too great and the reward is too little.
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Why do you deny the intel services conclusions if they are not in on this "media hate fest" you imagine? Surely they must be feeding all this to them right? Sorry but you are stretching reality far too much to be anything but delusional. But maybe that is how far you have to go to save face?

Back in the real world, hot on the heels of his secret "discussion" with Putin, Trump has announced the end of U.S. support for the Kurds who are our allies against ISIS and Assad in Syria AND Iraq. The "deal maker" got played yet again by Putin. We will give those Spy compounds back next, you watch. I will say it is sure good to be Putin since Trump was elected. We get nothing, Putin gets it all. That's called "holding all the cards." and it sure seems Putin has them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/world/middleeast/cia-arming-syrian-rebels.html
 
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calamity said:
This article is very credible, as it connects many of the dots that were already lying loose out there.

Remember hearing this?
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I read something today about Rohrabacher today but can't remember where - it wasn't the Daily Beast..........
 
eohrnberger said:
Again, little more than innuendo, as has become typical of this CT.

The article doesn't state that subpoenas have been issued, only that "Deutsche Bank . . . are expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller", so nothing yet.

A subpoenas, especially for information, still does not demonstrate that any crime has taken place.

I stand by my previous post, which is 'show me the money'. I refuse to be driven into a speculation frenzy by what amounts to unsubstantiated reporting, as we've experienced an excess of, to date.

I'm not denying that something may come. It may indeed. Until it does . . .
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Has enough evidence yet emerged that shows proof positive that Trump should be impeached and thrown in jail? Probably not, at least not yet.

Has enough evidence emerged that should give us all pause and begin wondering if impeachment and incarceration may indeed be where this is heading? Hell yes!
 
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