• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump blames Dems for failing too participate in heath care reform!

To him it is all about winning and if the GOP forces the ACA to fail, Trump would see that as a win. He cares nothing about the American people.
 
"The Dems took themselves out of the picture when they absolutely refused to accept anything unless it was Obamacare." MR #42
Click to expand...
Ironic.
That's PRECISELY how the Republicans took themselves out of the picture.

The difference is:

- President Obama succeeded.

- President Trump has failed.
"You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost." candidate Trump 16/10/25 from campaign podium
Click to expand...
 
yankintx said:
Kinda like the GOP Congress 2010-2016 were you just as hard on them for 6 long years of obstruction?

And were is this great plan the Liar in Chief promised on the campaign trail?
Click to expand...

Not at all untrue. But a second wrong....
 
Praxas said:
So does that mean when Obama was president that republicans were wasting their time and energy on muck throwing instead of working constructively? Were republicans harming the country? Do tell jOG
Click to expand...

Absolutely.
 
Greenbeard said:
DFCSDJyW0AE1jnG.jpg


House Dems: Solutions over Politics: Stabilizing and Improving the Individual Market.

DEYpocYWsAASaMM.jpg

DEYpqRtXUAA-TPr.jpg
Click to expand...

Well, lets see, what happens.
 
lurchadams said:
The GOP are in control of everything. If they could just agree upon a bill and pass it the Democrats would be powerless to stop them.

Are you saying that the GOP legislators are so weak willed that the Dems, "throwing muck" as you say is "hurting their wittow fewings" and preventing them from properly coming up with a bill of their own? Please!

The truth is that the GOP have shut the Dems out of any of their hearings and don't want the Dems contribution. What they've proven is that despite their promise of 7 years to repeal the ACA they've proven when the rubber meets the road they're just a bunch of keystone cops.

It's time for the GOP to admit that obstructing for 8 years is easy but once they've finally "caught the car" legislating is hard.
Click to expand...

I was not so much criticizing the work in Congress, when I spoke of mud throwing. That has been more their liberal supporters in the media. Of course their has been blocking behavior in Congress and the constant slander there too.

And yes. There is no doubt that the GOP was not helpful, though my feeling was that Obama was not the kind of man you could deal with well. Much too much the Harvard trained social worker lawyer turned populist. But that the GOP did not help get things done is true and it was an aggravation at the time.
 
lurchadams said:
You realize it's the GOP's choice to box out the Democrats from being able to participate in hearings or offer amendments to the any of the AHCA. The GOP are in control of everything. Are you seriously placing the blame on the Dems for the GOP not being able to draft and pass a repeal and replace bill?
Click to expand...

I didn't blame the democrats this time around. But, I am confused as to why they are faux crying about not having any input. They had to know 8 years ago that their "in your face" attitude with the ACA was going to come back on them some day.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I didn't blame the democrats this time around. But, I am confused as to why they are faux crying about not having any input. They had to know 8 years ago that their "in your face" attitude with the ACA was going to come back on them some day.
Click to expand...


Its already been pointed out to you that the republicans had plenty of input 8 years ago yet you keep posting your lie. curious.
 
there is no reform to participate in. however, if the current bill were to pass, i would support requiring all of congress to be covered by it. i also support tying congressional pay and vacation packages to the national average.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Dems took themselves out of the picture when they absolutely refused to accept anything unless it was Obamacare.
Click to expand...
Yeah, because endorsing a thoroughly crappy alternative is a good thing to do. :roll:

Obamacare desperately needs fixing/replacing, but this wasn't it.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I didn't blame the democrats this time around. But, I am confused as to why they are faux crying about not having any input. They had to know 8 years ago that their "in your face" attitude with the ACA was going to come back on them some day.
Click to expand...
They could have had input, yes, but they would have had to pretty much acquiesce to the Reps to take part... which would have been spun to show the Reps as strong and in control and the Dems as weak and irrelevant. Not a good political option.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I didn't blame the democrats this time around. But, I am confused as to why they are faux crying about not having any input. They had to know 8 years ago that their "in your face" attitude with the ACA was going to come back on them some day.
Click to expand...

It didn't though... because #Failpublicans have now failed to pass their own vision for healthcare a number of times.


This was sent from Putin's computer using Donald's credentials.
 
radcen said:
Yeah, because endorsing a thoroughly crappy alternative is a good thing to do. :roll:

Obamacare desperately needs fixing/replacing, but this wasn't it.
Click to expand...


Desperately no not hardly you're making stuff up
 
joG said:
I was not so much criticizing the work in Congress, when I spoke of mud throwing. That has been more their liberal supporters in the media. Of course their has been blocking behavior in Congress and the constant slander there too.

And yes. There is no doubt that the GOP was not helpful, though my feeling was that Obama was not the kind of man you could deal with well. Much too much the Harvard trained social worker lawyer turned populist. But that the GOP did not help get things done is true and it was an aggravation at the time.
Click to expand...


You birthers are just trying to create a pretend reality
 
radcen said:
Explain.
Click to expand...


77% of those on ACA pay a premium of less than 100.00. does the ACA need fixing? yes but most do very nicely with their coverage. The republicans have oversold their fear to the paranoid who bought
 
radcen said:
Yeah, because endorsing a thoroughly crappy alternative is a good thing to do. :roll:

Obamacare desperately needs fixing/replacing, but this wasn't it.
Click to expand...

The thing is, if Democrats would have given up their demand to not repeal Obamacare and worked in a bipartisan way to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better than Obamacare, the version that came out would not have been the thoroughly crappy alternative that you mentioned. Democrats were locked out of the process solely because they absolutely refused to discuss anything other than fixing an already partisan plan with partisan solutions. Even now, Democrats are playing hardball in saying that if we are going to do anything about healthcare then it is going to be their way or the highway so Trump has said let Obamacare collapse on it's own then. Funny how many on the left act like there is nothing wrong with Obamacare at all and celebrate the right's inability to pass their plans and then criticize Trump and the Republicans if they just sit around and let Obamacare collapse. If there was nothing wrong with Obamacare then how could it collapse? Trump's door is still open to Democrats if Schumer is actually serious about working on a bipartisan plan (which he is not) and drops his demand that Obamacare can't be repealed and replaced with a better bipartisan plan. Democrats would rather see Americans suffer under the collapsing of Obamacare rather than replacing it with a better bipartisan plan that would be called Trumpcare.
 
Do you think that the GOP plan was better then the ACA? And exactly what do you think that the Dems could have done to improve the GOP plan? And anything they would have suggested would not have been accepted as the GOP leadership said they would allow no amendments from the Dems. The GOP leadership gave no wiggle room for the Dems to participate in any way. Do you ever read or listen to those in your own party? The Dems did say that they would help in correcting the problems of the ACA, but the GOP said we promised to end the ACA and that was that. The problem with the GOP is that it is not a single party, but one made up of conservatives of every stripe. They should be at least two if not three parties. Maybe the GOP can do better with taxes, although we know what that means. Higher fees for the poor and middle class and lower taxes for the wealthy.
 
If the Republican bill would have passed there would have been massive small town small Hospital small nursing home closures in Rural America. Medicaid keeps them open.
 
katzgar said:
77% of those on ACA pay a premium of less than 100.00. does the ACA need fixing? yes but most do very nicely with their coverage. The republicans have oversold their fear to the paranoid who bought
Click to expand...

While my health care insurance is not through the exchanges, I find it interesting that all providers have left except one. This is even happening in Maricopa county. People who have to use the exchanges basically have no medical choice. This is not right.

While I agree on some things the ACA changed (acceptance of pre existing conditions, improvement of preventative options) was good. The ACA does need fixing or changed or some new plan keeping the good things and improving the number of providers.

As far as the republicans overselling the "fear". It really is not much different that the rhetoric from the other side of the isle. It is amazing how politicians can screw things up and are unable to correct and improve the most basic needs of the public.
 
mike2810 said:
While my health care insurance is not through the exchanges, I find it interesting that all providers have left except one. This is even happening in Maricopa county. People who have to use the exchanges basically have no medical choice. This is not right.

While I agree on some things the ACA changed (acceptance of pre existing conditions, improvement of preventative options) was good. The ACA does need fixing or changed or some new plan keeping the good things and improving the number of providers.

As far as the republicans overselling the "fear". It really is not much different that the rhetoric from the other side of the isle. It is amazing how politicians can screw things up and are unable to correct and improve the most basic needs of the public.
Click to expand...


There are something like five states that only have one provider. You're more interested in pushing a right-wing agenda than being honest. This stuff is easy to look up on the Internet so I'm going to go away now and leave you at to your little pretend world.
 
katzgar said:
There are something like five states that only have one provider. You're more interested in pushing a right-wing agenda than being honest. This stuff is easy to look up on the Internet so I'm going to go away now and leave you at to your little pretend world.
Click to expand...

You are so wrong about my position.

So your ok with only one provider available for those who use the exchanges. I am not. Has nothing to do with the Dems plan or the Republican plan. It is about good health care.

Guess you missed the point that I believe both parties are making the health care insurance a political play thing. Both sides are throwing bs.
 
radcen said:
It's always somebody else's fault.
Click to expand...
Considering your insistence that the GOP now owns the piece of **** that is Obamacare....

KenobiIronyMeters.jpg
 
mike2810 said:
You are so wrong about my position.

So your ok with only one provider available for those who use the exchanges. I am not. Has nothing to do with the Dems plan or the Republican plan. It is about good health care.

Guess you missed the point that I believe both parties are making the health care insurance a political play thing. Both sides are throwing bs.
Click to expand...


you are having difficulty understanding what I said, let me repeat it for you. "There are something like five states that only have one provider. "

Number of Issuers Participating in the Individual Health Insurance Marketplaces | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation 45 states with multiple providers is not a program in any way desperate.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom