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Trump "I Don't Own Obama-Care"

Hawkeye10 said:
I dont blame Trump for any part of where our broken medical system is.
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So his inability and unwillingness to understand healthcare in the U.S. is not his fault.
His inability to lead/use political capital to get anything important even on the docket, much less passed, is not his fault.

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Welcome to fantasy island.
 
Critter7r said:
I think the charge is more that Trump is actively sabotaging the ACA.

Nobody blamed Obama for high unemployment, because he wasn't intentionally keeping it high, and it was that way when he got there.
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This reads like you are moving the goalposts.

Intentional or not, discounting the significant impact of Obama's energy policies, tax policy, immigration policies, and the ACA itself on employment and the economy just to lay poor economic performance at the feet of George Bush is rather convoluted.
 
Mach said:
So his inability and unwillingness to understand healthcare in the U.S. is not his fault.
His inability to lead/use political capital to get anything important even on the docket, much less passed, is not his fault.

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Welcome to fantasy island.
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What Trump could do if he were accepted as our President and the elite were not on strike we dont know for sure, but I would love to find out.
 
WCH said:
He's suggesting letting it continue to fail and having the democrats explain why. Being he's getting no support from the establishment Polz, I think it's a good move.

Might help clean that swamp.
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Actually Trump is asking the GOP to actively make sure the ACA fails. They want to continue the uncertainty that is causing insurers to drop out of markets. keep threatening to stop the subsidies that keep the marketplace afloat while continuing the lies they have been telling since its passage. If the ACA dies it will be because the GOP and Trump killed it. And it will be on them to face the consequences.
 
Grand Mal said:
Trump's party controls the Senate, the House and the White House and still it's someone else's fault nothing gets done?
How does he do that? How did that whiny, spoiled-brat trust-fund-baby get people to make endless excuses for him and blame some formless, vapourous entity called 'the elite' for his failures?
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Trump and the Rebellion have been unable to consolidate power, the R party is not Trumps party.

I am reasonably sure that R leaders are working with D's to drive his approval # down.

And then they will Impeach him.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What Trump could do if he were accepted as our President and the elite were not on strike we dont know for sure, but I would love to find out.
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You mean what could a real President do? Sadly Trump has no idea how to be one.
 
Grand Mal said:
Gawd, what a piss-poor government you're willing to accept. Do nothing, blame someone.
All in the name of partisan bickering.
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I'm not excepting anything but reality. The Establishment doesn't want to repeal ObamaCare. Trump can't do it alone.

The lobbyists are winning.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
His administration has the responsibility of overseeing the implementation of the ACA. If it collapses it will be the administration's responsibility.

If a bridge collapses due to improper maintenance, the engineer is culpable
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BS!

If there were no changes to affect the current law, the democrats still own it.
 
I've been saying this for a while. If liberals want to pass this kind of trash then they get to deal with it alone.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually Trump is asking the GOP to actively make sure the ACA fails. They want to continue the uncertainty that is causing insurers to drop out of markets. keep threatening to stop the subsidies that keep the marketplace afloat while continuing the lies they have been telling since its passage. If the ACA dies it will be because the GOP and Trump killed it. And it will be on them to face the consequences.
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Why do you think it was dying before Trump's win?

Hint: It was designed to fail.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump and the Rebellion have been unable to consolidate power, the R party is not Trumps party.

I am reasonably sure that R leaders are working with D's to drive his approval # down.

And then they will Impeach him.
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Trump has brought it all on himself, the GOP has been dysfunctional for a decade now there is no reason to think that would change because a dysfunctional President got elected. He should have ran as independent if he is not a "R".
 
WCH said:
I'm not excepting anything but reality. The Establishment doesn't want to repeal ObamaCare. Trump can't do it alone.

The lobbyists are winning.
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Exactly

The republican swamp creatures will pay any penalty at the ballot box to prevent trump any success

Anyone who thought democrats, career government employees and the liberal news media are trumps only enemies in washington just has not been paying attention.
 
WCH said:
Why do you think it was dying before Trump's win?

Hint: It was designed to fail.
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I don't....because it wasn't.

Hint. It has a far better chance at surviving than anything the GOP has thought up and returning to the status quo before the ACA is not an option. The GOP needs to work with the Dems to improve the ACA, anything as complex as HC will always need tweaking.
 
Mr Person said:
Well, I certainly hope you never argued that the constitutional mandate to faithfully execute the laws meant that Obama was wrong not to fully enforce immigration laws. That would terribly inconsistent with claiming that Trump has no duty to faithfully execute ACA, you see.
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Looks like he's going to let it ride. Let the Democrats suck on it's failure.
 
humbolt said:
You're talking about Obama, right? You must be, because Trump had absolutely nothing whatever to do with the ACA. Nothing.
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Does your patella ever scream out in pain from that little rubber hammer hitting it so predictably causing that automatic response in you?
 
iguanaman said:
Trump has brought it all on himself, the GOP has been dysfunctional for a decade now there is no reason to think that would change because a dysfunctional President got elected. He should have ran as independent if he is not a "R".
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So should have Sanders.
 
iguanaman said:
You mean what could a real President do? Sadly Trump has no idea how to be one.
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He is very good at learning, especially given his age, so the point is irrelevant.

He needed good troops, this was understood.

And good teachers.

NO. CAN. DO.

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WCH said:
Looks like he's going to let it ride. Let the Democrats suck on it's failure.
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As I said in the other post, it's not as simple as ACA failing when red states are generally acting to deliberately cripple it. Resisting Medicaid expansion, unfaithful implementation of exchanges, etc.



A simple analogy. You are a pole-vaulter. As you're running to launch yourself, someone trips you. Did you "fail"?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
When the elite accept him as our President and end their strike.

Trumps clock starts then, he can get blame starting then.
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trump is the elite, a brutal example of the 1890s Gilded age .
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What Trump could do if he were accepted as our President and the elite were not on strike we dont know for sure, but I would love to find out.
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!?! The tail isn't wagging the dog Hawkeye10!! Republicans and voters don't support Trump BECAUSE he has no clue and (list 1000 absurd things Trump has done since in office).
If he had a clue and he worked hard, attitudes would not be as they are...but he's shown no interest or capacity to earn the trust/respect of the people, politicians, establishment, etc. Which is WHY you won't find out.

It's like saying I'd love to find out what this 80 year old real estate mogul could do if we just turned him loose on designing the next gen rocket propulsion system. What do you think would happen Hawkeye10? At best he'd do nothing, and worst, he'd make a complete ass of himself. Do you think it's an accident that Trump has only done those two things? Lots of nothing (no meaningful legislation...at all, ever), and embarrassed himself on a daily basis?

It can't be sour grapes from liberals, it's Republicans in power that also don't think he's capable. Nearly all of mainstream media. Most of the population. Is any of this getting through to you?

If Trump worked 10% as hard as Hillary and Obama on:
1. understand healthcare in the U.S.
2. aligning interests and political votes in an attempt to get meaningful health care legislation passed

Then maybe we'd love to see that!
 
haymarket said:
Does your patella ever scream out in pain from that little rubber hammer hitting it so predictably causing that automatic response in you?
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Have you ever had to concentrate to walk?
 
dorsai said:
Maybe I'm missing something... How was the high unemployment rate and stagnant economy through Obama's presidency all George Bush's fault but the ACA failing 6 months into a Trump presidency is Trump's fault?

From what I see in this thread, we should have been seeing bumper stickers for the last eight years that said "Obama -- Its the economy stupid!".
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How were the 2.2 million jobs lost during Obama's first 3 months his fault ?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He is very good at learning, especially given his age, so the point is irrelevant.

He needed good troops, this was understood.

And good teachers.

NO. CAN. DO.
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Trump failed at all those things and instead decided to appoint foxes in every hen house. Because he cannot learn as long as he thinks he can do no wrong.
 
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