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How Do You Feel About American Nationalism???

Since you are safely in europe its not your problem

Just read my reply to evilroddy to see my answer to you

So how are you going to cleanse America of people that don't share your values? Will you have some brown-shirted government workers go door to door and give everyone a test, sending the failures to a re-indoctrination camp? Maybe then you can have the racially and culturally pure America you desire.
 
Hi Everyone, new poster here. ;)

#Nazi #Trumpers #Alt-Right #Racist#
Not really, but let's just get the accusations out of the way now.


I would like to know how you feel about a possible American Nationalist movement.
Are you opposed to this and why? Do you find it dangerous, disgusting, immoral, or impractical? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who are left or center and dislike the idea.

A quick caveat is in order. I am not aware of any "American Nationalist" movement at the present. I am not talking about a movement such as what we have seen with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Light, or the Trumpers. When I talk about "American Nationalism" I mean it in the same sense as English Nationalism or Korean Nationalism. Firstly, there is an American people. Secondly, America is the geographic homeland of that people. Thirdly, the United States exists for the benefit of the American people and none other.


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Now, here are a few positions that are part of my version of American Nationalism.

1. By "Americans" I am referring to the White people who are part of the Anglo culture. People who have immigrated from other countries such as Sweden or France, for example, are not part of the "American People".

2. I am not talking about White nationalism. Minorities would would be encouraged to intermarry with Whites and to assimilate into the American culture.

3. White Western culture is superior to many cultures around the world (e.g., Islam, Indian culture/Hinduism, etc.).

4. Minorities wouldn't have special privileges any more, otherwise things would be the same legally.

5. I oppose feminism, gay/trans liberation, black liberation, and any other "liberation" movement which is against the traditional nuclear family or hostile to Whites. At the same time, there must be equal rights for gays, women, etc.

6. The failure of minorities to adopt the American culture is the reason for their distress. Whatever the causes for that, Americans are not to blame.

7. I am against all large scale immigration (legal and illegal) because it challenges American identity and the integrity of the culture. It causes many serious social problems on top of that.

Without wanting to get too deep into this, my feeling is that the notion of "Nationalism" requires a good bit of Statism, which is antithetic to American culture or what has been generally understood to be such. Neither Ivy League nor Redneck Hillbilly were about the State being at the defining center of society. It was the individual. These are two ends of a continuum matrix of many dimensions, which makes the comparative analysis difficult. But as a rule of thumb, American Nationalism is an oxymoron or even antimony.
 
So how are you going to cleanse America of people that don't share your values? Will you have some brown-shirted government workers go door to door and give everyone a test, sending the failures to a re-indoctrination camp? Maybe then you can have the racially and culturally pure America you desire.

We can't get rid of troublemakers that want to Balkanize America

There are many here already and they will weaken our nation

If anyone opens reeducation camps in America it will be liberals not conservatives
 
It is no surprise that even when our own founding fathers said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
-Samuel Johnson

He was not talking about hating your country. He was talking about a narrowminded, petty, alienating, and narcissistic worldview. It's OK to love your country, your state, city, your neighborhood, and your family. But to use that to dehumanize others and see them as something alien is when it becomes dangerous. Think about this instead:

"It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens. Ye dwell in one world, and have been created through the operation of one Will. Ye are all the leaves of one tree and the drops of one ocean."
-Baha'u'llah
 
So how are you going to cleanse America of people that don't share your values? Will you have some brown-shirted government workers go door to door and give everyone a test, sending the failures to a re-indoctrination camp? Maybe then you can have the racially and culturally pure America you desire.

Well, you might introduce exclusive public media for a while to get people used to it as their means of news feed and forbid social media from allowing free exchange of opinion. This is the way we have seen works quite well along different paths of development in places like Persia, Russia, Europe or China. It takes various gestalts, but in effect that is the peaceful face of coercion that seems to work until it breaks.
 
We can't get rid of troublemakers that want to Balkanize America
There are many here already and they will weaken our nation
If anyone opens reeducation camps in America it will be liberals not conservatives

Then you'll never achieve the cultural purity you desire. You can't even really define what that would be or how to get there. By forcing others to conform to your personal ideology you're abandoning everything America stands for.

Well, you might introduce exclusive public media for a while to get people used to it as their means of news feed and forbid social media from allowing free exchange of opinion. This is the way we have seen works quite well along different paths of development in places like Persia, Russia, Europe or China. It takes various gestalts, but in effect that is the peaceful face of coercion that seems to work until it breaks.

LOL. Your suggestion is to ban all media and implement state run propaganda. Now I remember why I ignore your comments as completely unserious drivel.
 
Hi Everyone, new poster here. ;)

#Nazi #Trumpers #Alt-Right #Racist#
Not really, but let's just get the accusations out of the way now.


I would like to know how you feel about a possible American Nationalist movement.
Are you opposed to this and why? Do you find it dangerous, disgusting, immoral, or impractical? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who are left or center and dislike the idea.

A quick caveat is in order. I am not aware of any "American Nationalist" movement at the present. I am not talking about a movement such as what we have seen with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Light, or the Trumpers. When I talk about "American Nationalism" I mean it in the same sense as English Nationalism or Korean Nationalism. Firstly, there is an American people. Secondly, America is the geographic homeland of that people. Thirdly, the United States exists for the benefit of the American people and none other.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now, here are a few positions that are part of my version of American Nationalism.

1. By "Americans" I am referring to the White people who are part of the Anglo culture. People who have immigrated from other countries such as Sweden or France, for example, are not part of the "American People".

2. I am not talking about White nationalism. Minorities would would be encouraged to intermarry with Whites and to assimilate into the American culture.

3. White Western culture is superior to many cultures around the world (e.g., Islam, Indian culture/Hinduism, etc.).

4. Minorities wouldn't have special privileges any more, otherwise things would be the same legally.

5. I oppose feminism, gay/trans liberation, black liberation, and any other "liberation" movement which is against the traditional nuclear family or hostile to Whites. At the same time, there must be equal rights for gays, women, etc.

6. The failure of minorities to adopt the American culture is the reason for their distress. Whatever the causes for that, Americans are not to blame.

7. I am against all large scale immigration (legal and illegal) because it challenges American identity and the integrity of the culture. It causes many serious social problems on top of that.



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It is no surprise that even when our own founding fathers said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
-Samuel Johnson

He was not talking about hating your country. He was talking about a narrowminded, petty, alienating, and narcissistic worldview. It's OK to love your country, your state, city, your neighborhood, and your family. But to use that to dehumanize others and see them as something alien is when it becomes dangerous. Think about this instead:

Whereby, Patriotism is still far removed from Nationalism.
 
Then you'll never achieve the cultural purity you desire. You can't even really define what that would be or how to get there. By forcing others to conform to your personal ideology you're abandoning everything America stands for.



LOL. Your suggestion is to ban all media and implement state run propaganda. Now I remember why I ignore your comments as completely unserious drivel.

I only pointed out, where such systems can be found to be enforced with more or less rigor and to work within bounds. In many of the areas the large portions of the population does not generally even realize the amount of mind bending they are going through. This is true both in more democratic hybrid and more autocratic ones and is quite an interesting subject of study. I am afraid the "unserious drivel" is all yours.
 
Then you'll never achieve the cultural purity you desire.

You can't even really define what that would be or how to get there. By forcing others to conform to your personal ideology you're abandoning everything America stands for.

I know

The cultural decline of America is difficult to see for those like myself who love this country

But we will make the best of a bad situation nevertheless
 
Naturally the guilt-ridden white libs will not like #1

They have been taught to be ashamed of all the great accomplishments of white Christian Anglo and Euro culture

Like slaughtering each other en masse over....and over....and over....and over....and over again?
 
Like slaughtering each other en masse over....and over....and over....and over....and over again?

Christ has not yet returned

Till He does for Christians and non Christians alike it is slaughter or be slaughtered
 
Christ has not yet returned

Till He does for Christians and non Christians alike it is slaughter or be slaughtered

Except he explicitly said not to slaughter anybody.
 
Except he explicitly said not to slaughter anybody.

Sure but Christans are all sinners and less than perfect

Like I said,

We will have to wait for Christ to return before sin can be abolished
 
Hi Everyone, new poster here. ;)

#Nazi #Trumpers #Alt-Right #Racist#
Not really, but let's just get the accusations out of the way now.


I would like to know how you feel about a possible American Nationalist movement.
Are you opposed to this and why? Do you find it dangerous, disgusting, immoral, or impractical? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who are left or center and dislike the idea.

A quick caveat is in order. I am not aware of any "American Nationalist" movement at the present. I am not talking about a movement such as what we have seen with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Light, or the Trumpers. When I talk about "American Nationalism" I mean it in the same sense as English Nationalism or Korean Nationalism. Firstly, there is an American people. Secondly, America is the geographic homeland of that people. Thirdly, the United States exists for the benefit of the American people and none other.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now, here are a few positions that are part of my version of American Nationalism.

1. By "Americans" I am referring to the White people who are part of the Anglo culture. People who have immigrated from other countries such as Sweden or France, for example, are not part of the "American People".

2. I am not talking about White nationalism. Minorities would would be encouraged to intermarry with Whites and to assimilate into the American culture.

3. White Western culture is superior to many cultures around the world (e.g., Islam, Indian culture/Hinduism, etc.).

4. Minorities wouldn't have special privileges any more, otherwise things would be the same legally.

5. I oppose feminism, gay/trans liberation, black liberation, and any other "liberation" movement which is against the traditional nuclear family or hostile to Whites. At the same time, there must be equal rights for gays, women, etc.

6. The failure of minorities to adopt the American culture is the reason for their distress. Whatever the causes for that, Americans are not to blame.

7. I am against all large scale immigration (legal and illegal) because it challenges American identity and the integrity of the culture. It causes many serious social problems on top of that.


Many of your positions have been arrived at through a lack of Education.
 
What would be the point of American nationalism? Would it have policy prescriptions, goals, an agenda and a platform? Or would it be just another dimension of identity politics which is such bull**** ?
 
I suppose so

And one good tribe with shared values not at war with itself is better than 15 little tribes all fighting with each other

As for the idea that one has to be born into the white Anglo Christian tribe that may be true in other countries but not in America

People of all races can adopt American culture and be Americans if they choose to be

America is a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions. Which one do you propose they adopt?
 
The point is that its no longer a melting pot. Its more like a muffin pan. Take a drive around the neigborhoods of a city in CA - you'll see what I'm saying.


America is a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions. Which one do you propose they adopt?
 
Christ has not yet returned

Till He does for Christians and non Christians alike it is slaughter or be slaughtered

And the award for the least Christ-like statement ever uttered goes to: Mac77

You never even read that book you pretend to care so much about, did you?

America is a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions. Which one do you propose they adopt?

His own. Whatever he believes is the "one true America" and everyone else should be cleansed from our land, you know, as Christ wanted.
 
Who would have thought the absurd OP would inspire someone to spew ridiculous crap. Oh, wait... maybe that was inevitable.
 
America is a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions. Which one do you propose they adopt?


Thats a good question

We are a fractured nation now with enough alien cultures that I don't think previous generations from the tradational Anglo Christian culture would reconize us anymore

No foreign power could ever overcome America when we were united as one people

but the attack on our values from within is succeeding where Hitler and Tojo and Stalin failed.
 
And the award for the least Christ-like statement ever uttered goes to: Mac77

You never even read that book you pretend to care so much about, did you?

Non Christian liberals beleive in heaven on earth through your own feeble efforts in a world without Christ

But that is a recipe for failure and the current world situation is proof of that
 
Thats a good question

We are a fractured nation now with enough alien cultures that I don't think previous generations from the tradational Anglo Christian culture would reconize us anymore

No foreign power could ever overcome America when we were united as one people

but the attack on our values from within is succeeding where Hitler and Tojo and Stalin failed.


Your ignorance of our history is stunning. We have always had a variety of cultures in our country it's the way we are and have been.
 
Your ignorance of our history is stunning. We have always had a variety of cultures in our country it's the way we are and have been.

Of course

And until recently they have all assimilated to become part of the dominant white Christian Anglo democratic culture

Yes we have adopted the best of the new immigrants culture also so its not a one-way street but in the end we remained one peopple
 
Of course

And until recently they have all assimilated to become part of the dominant white Christian Anglo democratic culture

Yes we have adopted the best of the new immigrants culture also so its not a one-way street but in the end we remained one peopple


Yep and it'll happen again it normally takes two generations
 
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