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Trump's Lies are Taking a Toll

iguanaman said:
OK We get it. First Trump had no contact with Russians, then they met with them only to discuss policy, now they met with them to discuss getting dirt on Hillary but there was none. Do you see a pattern there? It's called a cover-up and you know that means there is something they want to hide. What is it do you think? Why do you think they have lied about everything to do with the Russians? If they did not break any laws why diidn't they just come clean from the start? This would be all over by now if they did.
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you mean trump jr. not trump. please get your facts straight.
trump jr is not trump.

the meeting was a setup it had nothing to do with Clinton in the first place. yep I would like to know why goldstone setup the meeting like that to begin with.
the lawyer had no information to begin with so why set it up to act like she did?

there is no evidence that trump colluded with the Russians.

there still hasn't been any.

the same reason that Clinton didn't come clean when her campaign met with the Ukrainian government to get dirt on trump.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Stuff done?

You mean like scraping NAFTA. Have you seen the US "proposals".....?

Exactly what ALL parties have been seeking, nothing more and were due to be reviewed this year anyway.

What "stuff" is getting done beyond hassle a few Muslim travelers? And we see that a new health care bill is a non starter.

How much 'greater' is the US today under Trump? Considering there' been no effective change...none at all.

You bought a dishonest bull****ter with questionable morals, nothing more....just another blow hard with really strange skin and a hairdo that belongs in a sitcom.

You are the world's laughing stock
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You are not understanding me, perhaps you have Trump on the brain..... you hear that a guy likes Trump so you figure you have a good idea of who he is....old fashioned prejudice.

We are not making progress, deeply broken and corrupt would rather play games and lie than work Washington is getting worse not better.
 
ludin said:
You confuse opinion for fact. You are spouting an opinion. He is saying a fact.
There is a difference. We know you don't understand the situation that is why you can't tell us what law he broke.
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It is a fact that you agree with your source's opinion. You are spouting, yours. Mueller will tell you what law he broke when the time comes. You have no say at all about the FACT of that. :)
 
ludin said:
you mean trump jr. not trump. please get your facts straight.
trump jr is not trump.

the meeting was a setup it had nothing to do with Clinton in the first place. yep I would like to know why goldstone setup the meeting like that to begin with.
the lawyer had no information to begin with so why set it up to act like she did?

there is no evidence that trump colluded with the Russians.

there still hasn't been any.

the same reason that Clinton didn't come clean when her campaign met with the Ukrainian government to get dirt on trump.
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Trump jr. was working for Trump as was Manafort so it is the same thing. Trump's top 3 campaign advisors were at that meeting
There is now evidence of a willingness to collude and only the worthless "word" of Jr. that there was nothing to collude on. How does that end up as "no evidence"? What it does is invite even more questions. When is Trump going to come clean on this matter? As far as the Ukrainians there was no Govt. cooperation with Clinton only a concerned group that knew what a traitor Manafort was and could not keep quiet about it.
Until recently, Manafort had receded into the background as the uproar over Trump’s firing of his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and then the FBI director, James Comey, began to shake the White House.

But the Manafort story—a tale of pro-Russia players, political tradecraft and cunning financial maneuvers—has never gone away. The reason, in a word, is money. Manafort, who less than a year ago was playing a central role in the Trump campaign, made millions of dollars over a decade promoting Kremlin-friendly interests in Ukraine and beyond. No other Trump associate has profited as handsomely from ties to Russia-linked businessmen and politicians.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-05-22/paul-manafort-s-lucrative-ukraine-years-are-central-to-the-russia-probe
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
You are not understanding me, perhaps you have Trump on the brain..... you hear that a guy likes Trump so you figure you have a good idea of who he is....old fashioned prejudice.

We are not making progress, deeply broken and corrupt would rather play games and lie than work Washington is getting worse not better.
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Who's the obstucting and doing everything in their power to slow this investigation? Trump just needs to come clean and reveal the truth if he wants us to move on. He won't and now we have to ask ourselves why? You seem to be unable to do even that. It is now up to Trumps supporters to demand that he stop the lies, come clean and put this Russia thing behind him. But I'm afraid they are not bright enough to understand that or perhaps they, like you are afraid that the truth will not be pretty so they want this to go on and on and on forever. You might as well admit that to yourself. Because in reality you want Trump to keep obstructing for the whole 4 years.
 
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ludin said:
What The Law Says About Donald Trump Jr.'s Meeting With A Russian Lawyer : NPR
read that so you actually can be informed and understand what you are talking about.

there is still no evidence that he colluded with Russia on anything.
there is evidence that trump jr met with a Russian lawyer to talk about adoption restrictions going on right now in Russia.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Just briefly - yes or no. Do you think a crime was committed from what we know now?

TURLEY: I don't. And this talk about treason is perfectly bizarre.
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No crime proved? Perhaps.





But they attempted to collude and the only reason they failed to collude was that the Russian government's favored lawyer was playing Team Trump for the fools they are.

Outside of a courtroom, that isn't exactly a winning defense. The only reason it flies is because Trump supporters still don't care how awful he is.
 
Mr Person said:
No crime proved? Perhaps.
But they attempted to collude and the only reason they failed to collude was that the Russian government's favored lawyer was playing Team Trump for the fools they are.
Outside of a courtroom, that isn't exactly a winning defense. The only reason it flies is because Trump supporters still don't care how awful he is.
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unless proven guilty of something they are innocent yes?
if and when he is actually found guilty of breaking the law then I will deal with it then.

until then trump has committed no crime.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump jr. was working for Trump as was Manafort so it is the same thing. Trump's top 3 campaign advisors were at that meeting
There is now evidence of a willingness to collude and only the worthless "word" of Jr. that there was nothing to collude on. How does that end up as "no evidence"? What it does is invite even more questions. When is Trump going to come clean on this matter? As far as the Ukrainians there was no Govt. cooperation with Clinton only a concerned group that knew what a traitor Manafort was and could not keep quiet about it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-05-22/paul-manafort-s-lucrative-ukraine-years-are-central-to-the-russia-probe
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What The Law Says About Donald Trump Jr.'s Meeting With A Russian Lawyer : NPR

GARCIA-NAVARRO: It's not a legal term, collusion.

TURLEY: No. And so if you're using collusion to mean conspiracy, then there are crimes that deal with conspiracy. But it's conspiracy to commit what? - is the tough question.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Bait and switch - you mean that somehow they were trying to lure him in, and then we're going to give him something else.

TURLEY: Yeah. The lawyer involved has one principal cause and one principal client, to try to get rid of this Russian ban on adoption. It was part of sanctions.


GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Just briefly - yes or no. Do you think a crime was committed from what we know now?

TURLEY: I don't. And this talk about treason is perfectly bizarre.

there you have it. fact vs hyperbole

actually there was government cooperation with Clinton.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

so we have a meeting about adoption restrictions vs active attempt to dig dirt on a candidate by the Ukrainian government.
so where is your outrage at?

let see if you can be consistent.
 
ludin said:
What The Law Says About Donald Trump Jr.'s Meeting With A Russian Lawyer : NPR

GARCIA-NAVARRO: It's not a legal term, collusion.

TURLEY: No. And so if you're using collusion to mean conspiracy, then there are crimes that deal with conspiracy. But it's conspiracy to commit what? - is the tough question.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Bait and switch - you mean that somehow they were trying to lure him in, and then we're going to give him something else.

TURLEY: Yeah. The lawyer involved has one principal cause and one principal client, to try to get rid of this Russian ban on adoption. It was part of sanctions.


GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Just briefly - yes or no. Do you think a crime was committed from what we know now?

TURLEY: I don't. And this talk about treason is perfectly bizarre.

there you have it. fact vs hyperbole

actually there was government cooperation with Clinton.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

so we have a meeting about adoption restrictions vs active attempt to dig dirt on a candidate by the Ukrainian government.
so where is your outrage at?

let see if you can be consistent.
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We get it. You've retreated from "no proof of collusion" to "collusion is not illegal."
 
ludin said:
What The Law Says About Donald Trump Jr.'s Meeting With A Russian Lawyer : NPR

GARCIA-NAVARRO: It's not a legal term, collusion.

TURLEY: No. And so if you're using collusion to mean conspiracy, then there are crimes that deal with conspiracy. But it's conspiracy to commit what? - is the tough question.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Bait and switch - you mean that somehow they were trying to lure him in, and then we're going to give him something else.

TURLEY: Yeah. The lawyer involved has one principal cause and one principal client, to try to get rid of this Russian ban on adoption. It was part of sanctions.


GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Just briefly - yes or no. Do you think a crime was committed from what we know now?

TURLEY: I don't. And this talk about treason is perfectly bizarre.

there you have it. fact vs hyperbole

actually there was government cooperation with Clinton.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

so we have a meeting about adoption restrictions vs active attempt to dig dirt on a candidate by the Ukrainian government.
so where is your outrage at?

let see if you can be consistent.
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LOL Trump himself said the meeting was "opposition research" yet you keep up with the red herring. We have no idea what really transpired in that meeting but I/m sure Mueller will find out. Hillary lost so there is no reason to care about her talking to a ally who knew what scum Manafort was either. You can't deny that Manafort is scum and on Putin's payroll can you? That is what they were told by the Ukrainians.
 
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