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Trump Will Soon Fire Mueller

JackA

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It seems likely that Trump will soon fire Mueller, either through Sessions or if not then by someone else in firing chain since Trump can't do it himself. What may make Mueller's demise imminent is the quiet reaction from Republicans in Congress to the meeting in Trump Tower with Russian agents, and the emails that revealed the campaign's eagerness to work with Russia in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. To many in Trump's base the disclosures were predictably "so what". But members of Congress might have been expected to take a more somber view of it. They haven't, which should be reassuring to Trump if the meeting and emails are all there is, and Mueller has no where deeper to go in his investigation. But such GOP acquiescence could also be reassuring for another reason if, in fact, more, as yet uncovered, damaging information is waiting to be found. That reason is getting rid of Mueller while there is still time. If Republicans in Congress can look the other way at stark evidence of efforts to collude with Russia, they probably will stomach for now a dismissal of Mueller. Under this analysis, then, if Trump lets Mueller alone it probably means he has nothing else to hide, and if he fires Mueller, it probably means there is seriously bad stuff Trump wants to stay hidden.
 
JackA said:
It seems likely that Trump will soon fire Mueller, either through Sessions or if not then by someone else in firing chain since Trump can't do it himself. What may make Mueller's demise imminent is the quiet reaction from Republicans in Congress to the meeting in Trump Tower with Russian agents, and the emails that revealed the campaign's eagerness to work with Russia in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. To many in Trump's base the disclosures were predictably "so what". But members of Congress might have been expected to take a more somber view of it. They haven't, which should be reassuring to Trump if the meeting and emails are all there is, and Mueller has no where deeper to go in his investigation. But such GOP acquiescence could also be reassuring for another reason if, in fact, more, as yet uncovered, damaging information is waiting to be found. That reason is getting rid of Mueller while there is still time. If Republicans in Congress can look the other way at stark evidence of efforts to collude with Russia, they probably will stomach for now a dismissal of Mueller. Under this analysis, then, if Trump lets Mueller alone it probably means he has nothing else to hide, and if he fires Mueller, it probably means there is seriously bad stuff Trump wants to stay hidden.
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You think? He must now realize that that will only make it worse. But as he is probably innocent concerning the things under investigation, he could fire Mueller just to excite the media.
 
JackA said:
It seems likely that Trump will soon fire Mueller, either through Sessions or if not then by someone else in firing chain since Trump can't do it himself. What may make Mueller's demise imminent is the quiet reaction from Republicans in Congress to the meeting in Trump Tower with Russian agents, and the emails that revealed the campaign's eagerness to work with Russia in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. To many in Trump's base the disclosures were predictably "so what". But members of Congress might have been expected to take a more somber view of it. They haven't, which should be reassuring to Trump if the meeting and emails are all there is, and Mueller has no where deeper to go in his investigation. But such GOP acquiescence could also be reassuring for another reason if, in fact, more, as yet uncovered, damaging information is waiting to be found. That reason is getting rid of Mueller while there is still time. If Republicans in Congress can look the other way at stark evidence of efforts to collude with Russia, they probably will stomach for now a dismissal of Mueller. Under this analysis, then, if Trump lets Mueller alone it probably means he has nothing else to hide, and if he fires Mueller, it probably means there is seriously bad stuff Trump wants to stay hidden.
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Nah...I don't think Trump is seriously considering firing Mueller. Fact is, there's just nothing to the nothingburger the nattering nabobs are spewing all over the place. Nothing illegal has been done.

Mueller's mandate is very clear...Russian interference and criminal activity. I'm thinking the Democrats should be more worried about Mueller than Trump is.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Firing Mueller would be akin to kicking 1000 hornets nests at the same time
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I don't think Trump cares. He wants to stop the witch hunt and get on to accomplishing what he was elected to do. He is not a politically correct party puppet and will fight for the people until the rich and powerful figure out a way to get rid of him and get a puppet back in office they can control.
 
He may be forced to fire Mueller if Mueller gets close to uncovering tax evasion and money laundering. Trump's business dealings are as dirty as they come. Trump has been in bed with Russian mobsters for decades.

One example. Trump buys a mansion for $40 Million to flip it. It's on the market for 2 years with no buyers. Suddenly a Russian pays $100 Million for it.

If Mueller digs into those deals and Trump's mysterious loans with Deutsche Bank we're talking about serious financial crimes here. Trump would have to fire him.
 
Mycroft said:
Nah...I don't think Trump is seriously considering firing Mueller. Fact is, there's just nothing to the nothingburger the nattering nabobs are spewing all over the place. Nothing illegal has been done.

Mueller's mandate is very clear...Russian interference and criminal activity. I'm thinking the Democrats should be more worried about Mueller than Trump is.
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Even though the countless Trump Administration lies are being slowly unveiled one by one, you keep calling this a nothingburger. If it was a nothingburger, why didn't Trump Jr come clean right away after the email links ? How come we are finding out more & more about what actually transpired at that meeting ?

Something is fishy. If something is fishy, it's not a nothingburger : it's fishy.

We don't have all the facts. If you see smoke, you have to go check for a fire. You can't simply say "well last time the smoke was nothing, so I'm not going to check" cause that may leave your home in ashes.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I don't think Trump cares. He wants to stop the witch hunt and get on to accomplishing what he was elected to do.
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Here's a basic test of your rationality. Below is a statement from Trump. Is it true or false?

In an interview held at his golf course in Doral, Florida, Donald Trump tells a local CBS news channel there are no ties between his campaign and Russian officials.

“I can tell you,” he says, “I think if I came up with that, they’d say, ‘Oh, it’s a conspiracy theory, it’s ridiculous.’ I mean I have nothing to do with Russia. I don’t have any jobs in Russia. I’m all over the world but we’re not involved in Russia.”
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If it's false, then why lie?
 
Cisero said:
Even though the countless Trump Administration lies are being slowly unveiled one by one, you keep calling this a nothingburger. If it was a nothingburger, why didn't Trump Jr come clean right away after the email links ? How come we are finding out more & more about what actually transpired at that meeting ?

Something is fishy. If something is fishy, it's not a nothingburger : it's fishy.

We don't have all the facts. If you see smoke, you have to go check for a fire. You can't simply say "well last time the smoke was nothing, so I'm not going to check" cause that may leave your home in ashes.
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The Mainstream Media have been blowing smoke since they realized Trump was going to get the Republican Party nomination. We have yet to see any fire.

But hey...there's always hope that Mueller will find some fire...somewhere, right? Problem is, he is more likely to find the fire in the Obama administration.
 
Mycroft said:
The Mainstream Media have been blowing smoke since they realized Trump was going to get the Republican Party nomination. We have yet to see any fire.

But hey...there's always hope that Mueller will find some fire...somewhere, right? Problem is, he is more likely to find the fire in the Obama administration.
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Give us an example of the kind of evidence relating to his association with Russians that would cause you to disavow Trump?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Give us an example of the kind of evidence relating to his association with Russians that would cause you to disavow Trump?
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Oh...let's see...maybe a video, with audio, of Putin passing a suitcase of thousand dollar bills to Trump and telling him thanks for all the hard work he did to take down Hillary...and Trump responding with his own thanks to Putin for hacking the election vote numbers to switch millions of Hillary votes into Trump votes.

Yeah...that would pretty much do it for me.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...let's see...maybe a video, with audio, of Putin passing a suitcase of thousand dollar bills to Trump and telling him thanks for all the hard work he did to take down Hillary...and Trump responding with his own thanks to Putin for hacking the election vote numbers to switch millions of Hillary votes into Trump votes.

Yeah...that would pretty much do it for me.
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Well that's not going to happen, so you'll have to put some effort into your process of deduction if you want to get anywhere near the truth.
 
JackA said:
It seems likely that Trump will soon fire Mueller, either through Sessions or if not then by someone else in firing chain since Trump can't do it himself. What may make Mueller's demise imminent is the quiet reaction from Republicans in Congress to the meeting in Trump Tower with Russian agents, and the emails that revealed the campaign's eagerness to work with Russia in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. To many in Trump's base the disclosures were predictably "so what". But members of Congress might have been expected to take a more somber view of it. They haven't, which should be reassuring to Trump if the meeting and emails are all there is, and Mueller has no where deeper to go in his investigation. But such GOP acquiescence could also be reassuring for another reason if, in fact, more, as yet uncovered, damaging information is waiting to be found. That reason is getting rid of Mueller while there is still time. If Republicans in Congress can look the other way at stark evidence of efforts to collude with Russia, they probably will stomach for now a dismissal of Mueller. Under this analysis, then, if Trump lets Mueller alone it probably means he has nothing else to hide, and if he fires Mueller, it probably means there is seriously bad stuff Trump wants to stay hidden.
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Oh gawd...Trump, please fire Mueller. Please. It will destroy that last shred of confidence anyone not in your 36% has in rule of law.

We need a shake-up like that. So, please fire him this week, if possible.
 
Mycroft said:
Nah...I don't think Trump is seriously considering firing Mueller. Fact is, there's just nothing to the nothingburger the nattering nabobs are spewing all over the place. Nothing illegal has been done.

Mueller's mandate is very clear...Russian interference and criminal activity. I'm thinking the Democrats should be more worried about Mueller than Trump is.
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I wish Mueller would just get it over with already and announce that there was no collusion as people of congress have been doing and the fbi has been doing all along.
I want to see the meltdown that occurs.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...let's see...maybe a video, with audio, of Putin passing a suitcase of thousand dollar bills to Trump and telling him thanks for all the hard work he did to take down Hillary...and Trump responding with his own thanks to Putin for hacking the election vote numbers to switch millions of Hillary votes into Trump votes.

Yeah...that would pretty much do it for me.
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Oh, I'm sure that if that happened, there would be enough rumblings of "fake news" in the mix that you could use as "reasonable doubt." :roll:
 
Chomsky said:
Well that's not going to happen, so you'll have to put some effort into your process of deduction if you want to get anywhere near the truth.
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the problem is we keep waiting for facts and so far we have nothing.
the whole entire thing has been a disaster for the media and everyone else pushing
this narrative.
 
ludin said:
the problem is we keep waiting for facts and so far we have nothing.
the whole entire thing has been a disaster for the media and everyone else pushing
this narrative.
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Diaster? It's been a bonanza for the media.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Give us an example of the kind of evidence relating to his association with Russians that would cause you to disavow Trump?
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I gotta tell ya, if Trump sold 20% of our uranium to the Russians in exchange for donations to his foundation, I think I'd disavow him.
 
JackA said:
It seems likely that Trump will soon fire Mueller, either through Sessions or if not then by someone else in firing chain since Trump can't do it himself. What may make Mueller's demise imminent is the quiet reaction from Republicans in Congress to the meeting in Trump Tower with Russian agents, and the emails that revealed the campaign's eagerness to work with Russia in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. To many in Trump's base the disclosures were predictably "so what". But members of Congress might have been expected to take a more somber view of it. They haven't, which should be reassuring to Trump if the meeting and emails are all there is, and Mueller has no where deeper to go in his investigation. But such GOP acquiescence could also be reassuring for another reason if, in fact, more, as yet uncovered, damaging information is waiting to be found. That reason is getting rid of Mueller while there is still time. If Republicans in Congress can look the other way at stark evidence of efforts to collude with Russia, they probably will stomach for now a dismissal of Mueller. Under this analysis, then, if Trump lets Mueller alone it probably means he has nothing else to hide, and if he fires Mueller, it probably means there is seriously bad stuff Trump wants to stay hidden.
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That's a reasonable hypothesis. Far from full-proof, but it may provide some general insight. Though as seen in the post below, Trump's reason for firing Mueller may be more complex than mere electioneering issues.

SonOfDaedalus said:
He may be forced to fire Mueller if Mueller gets close to uncovering tax evasion and money laundering. Trump's business dealings are as dirty as they come. Trump has been in bed with Russian mobsters for decades.

One example. Trump buys a mansion for $40 Million to flip it. It's on the market for 2 years with no buyers. Suddenly a Russian pays $100 Million for it.

If Mueller digs into those deals and Trump's mysterious loans with Deutsche Bank we're talking about serious financial crimes here. Trump would have to fire him.
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This! :thumbs:

It's been my theory from the beginning.

Trump is now very much trapped, and I am virtually sure him, his campaign, or his organization, will be found dirty in something, somehow, somewhere. His trump card, so to speak, is politics. As long as he maintains his strong base, he is impervious to any damage, since the only one that can touch him is the GOP Congress.

Mueller cannot charge a sitting President. However, Mueller can pressure Trump via threatening to charge his family and cohorts, where Trump would summarily fire Mueller and cling to politics to survive (which has worked well for him to this point).
 
Mycroft said:
Nah...I don't think Trump is seriously considering firing Mueller. Fact is, there's just nothing to the nothingburger the nattering nabobs are spewing all over the place. Nothing illegal has been done.

Mueller's mandate is very clear...Russian interference and criminal activity. I'm thinking the Democrats should be more worried about Mueller than Trump is.
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You know way too much to be on a forum like this
 
Chomsky said:
Well that's not going to happen, so you'll have to put some effort into your process of deduction if you want to get anywhere near the truth.
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Oh...speculation?

Should we disavow someone based on speculation? Or should we examine facts and evidence?
 
JackA said:
Diaster? It's been a bonanza for the media.
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yep it is a disaster. why? their credibility is practically below ground. they have proven how bias and
irresponsible they are in their reporting.
 
It would be a bad decision, And Trump did not get to where he is on the back of bad decisions, Mueller will stay.
 
ludin said:
the problem is we keep waiting for facts and so far we have nothing.
the whole entire thing has been a disaster for the media and everyone else pushing
this narrative.
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The average length of an FBI investigation is supposedly around 1,139 days.

So this investigation may go on for at least 2 to 4 years.

I guess the administrations agenda is going to mired by controversy for a while.
 
calamity said:
Oh, I'm sure that if that happened, there would be enough rumblings of "fake news" in the mix that you could use as "reasonable doubt." :roll:
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Only if the video is fake. I guess that's always a possibility. After all, lots of people call Project Veritas videos fake.
 
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