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Man Confronted About His White Privilege and Nice Car

Kal'Stang said:
Condescending? What exactly about the video was "condescending"? Success is about a positive attitude. It always has been. He's not wrong on that. No one that has a negative attitude and does not educate themselves is going to get a job in management. That's a fact. And no where in the video did the guy try and claim that there is no racism so not sure why you brought in the video that you did. I can bring forth many video's of racism. Does not in the least discount what the guy said. Even IF the guy was lying and the encounter didn't happen, what he said as far as what it takes to become a success is true.
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The story comes from a one-sided perspective. I never hear the black guy's side of the story. That black guy reminds me of Trump's friend Jim that no longer goes to Paris.

I don't know how you or anyone else watching the video can determine whether the black guy qualified for disability?

I feel the White Guy Eric portrays himself as a self-made success story and uses the Big Black Guy metaphorically as a poor excuse for a human. As such, the 'Great White Guy Eric schools the Big Black Loser' theme comes off as condescending. Can you kind of grasp my point of view?
 
Conservative Straw Man

I don't know anyone who uses the term "White Privilege." I would never have even known of the term if now for angry conservatives going on and on about it. Same with the the phrase "micro aggression." Never heard of it before conservatives started whining about it.

Just as there are fringe racist/Nazi conservatives there are liberal communist/socialist haters. The problem with political discussion is that many people use the most extreme examples from left and right as their Straw Man to represent the opposing views.

I'm pretty liberal....

I'm not a communist, socialist or Marxist.
I don't hate Whites.
I don't hate the police.
I don't hate rich people.

This is true of most liberals.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Both videos frame a discussion. Only one video fleshes out pertinent details by extensively giving us names and visuals of key people in the discussion. The interviewer interviews several of those key people. This makes the story much more multi-faceted.

Eric Post presented a one-sided story. I know just a little bit more about the big black guy than I do about Trump's friend Jim that stopped going to Paris.
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OK I will concede the point your making. I too am skeptical of validity of his story or if it was merely his version of an aesop. The second story was vetted better. However even if it was fictious I appriciate his approach to the conflict better than your clip did. I found it to be more constructive than simply condemning the offensive behavior. If he had offered some evidence that confirmed his version as being true, would you find anything in his clip objectionable?

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Henrin said:
The argument is in the video. lol
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And it's 21 minutes long ... (insert "Ain't Nobody Got Fo Dat" meme here) Maybe point to a specific time in the video where he's getting at the meat and potatoes of your point. Or boil it down to a couple of sentences.
 
OlNate said:
You don't know me...you think you had it harder? lol...you shouldn't make that assumption, you never know who you're talking to. I had a rough go as well, but unlike you, I can look at that in the greater context of the statistical evidence that demonstrates how stacked the deck is. Don't let your sour grapes impact your objectivity and acknowledgement of reality. I don't for a second take away from or minimize any of the hardships you have endured, in the same way that I don't take away from my own. But I also don't let it create an excuse to turn a blind eye to what the math says, or an excuse to write off my own shortcomings. It is what it is, man, no matter how badly you want to rant on debate forums otherwise.
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I guarantee I had it harder than you, Canada.


When snotty rich white college kids want me to check my privilege, I ask them about the south's, mid-wests, apalachia's working poor. As often cited by the left there are far more white people on welfare then black. I have to ask, should they be checking thier privilege as well? Your math ignores culture, your math ignores great swaths of white working poor, your math ignores the fact that while there may be "privilege", it's financial, not racial.


Like I said, I came from a working poor family and had less opportunity than my friends in the neighborhood who were minorities. There is no such thing as white privilege in an entitlement society. I got where I was in spite of any made up privilege you want to put on me.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I guarantee I had it harder than you, Canada.


When snotty rich white college kids want me to check my privilege, I ask them about the south's, mid-wests, apalachia's working poor. As often cited by the left there are far more white people on welfare then black. I have to ask, should they be checking thier privilege as well? Your math ignores culture, your math ignores great swaths of white working poor, your math ignores the fact that while there may be "privilege", it's financial, not racial.


Like I said, I came from a working poor family and had less opportunity than my friends in the neighborhood who were minorities. There is no such thing as white privilege in an entitlement society. I got where I was in spite of any made up privilege you want to put on me.
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I don't mean to speak for Nate, but I don't believe he was speaking about the opportunities themselves being presented, rather that it is generally easier for white folks to take advantage of any opportunities that are presented.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
The story comes from a one-sided perspective. I never hear the black guy's side of the story. That black guy reminds me of Trump's friend Jim that no longer goes to Paris.

I don't know how you or anyone else watching the video can determine whether the black guy qualified for disability?

I feel the White Guy Eric portrays himself as a self-made success story and uses the Big Black Guy metaphorically as a poor excuse for a human. As such, the 'Great White Guy Eric schools the Big Black Loser' theme comes off as condescending. Can you kind of grasp my point of view?
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I worked around plenty of bitchy whiny assed spiteful losers for years...................both black and white.

Hateful & jealous losers period!
 
trouble13 said:
OK I will concede the point your making. I too am skeptical of validity of his story or if it was merely his version of an aesop. The second story was vetted better. However even if it was fictious I appriciate his approach to the conflict better than your clip did. I found it to be more constructive than simply condemning the offensive behavior. If he had offered some evidence that confirmed his version as being true, would you find anything in his clip objectionable?

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Eric Post, IMO, uses the alleged insult as catalyst to pontificate and proselytize in a condescending manner. Assuming both Eric and the Big Black Guy grew up in a dysfunctional family environment does not put the two men on equal standing nor does it neutralize all the other factors to why Eric became successful and the Big Black Guy did not.

The Big Black Guy might have more brawn than brains and qualified for disability, whereas Eric has both extraordinary physical strength and a high IQ. We just cannot tell from watching the video. Too much, particularly about the Big Black Guy remains unknown. I do think a positive mental attitude factors into success. I prefer the predictability of confidence and competence over luck. Relying on luck always seems very iffy to me!

I felt the video had both a racial and condescending tone.
 
Critter7r said:
I don't mean to speak for Nate, but I don't believe he was speaking about the opportunities themselves being presented, rather that it is generally easier for white folks to take advantage of any opportunities that are presented.
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"opportunities" such as scholarships, prefered hiring agendas, entitlement programs, tax breaks, you mean like those opportunities?
 
Critter7r said:
I don't mean to speak for Nate, but I don't believe he was speaking about the opportunities themselves being presented, rather that it is generally easier for white folks to take advantage of any opportunities that are presented.
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That would be an interesting study to do, but I don't think it is true.

If there is an opportunity presented, why would a white person have an easier time taking advantage of it?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
"opportunities" such as scholarships, prefered hiring agendas, entitlement programs, tax breaks, you mean like those opportunities?
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My buddy went to college straight out of high school on grants and scholarships because he was Latino.

He got a full boat ride including extra spending money in case he needed it.

He admits he got all that for his being Latino.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I worked around plenty of bitchy whiny assed spiteful losers for years...................both black and white.

Hateful & jealous losers period!
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I feel you! You have written about having real estate brokers as clients.

I work as a real estate broker. Many, if not most, of my deals have required competent contractor services. I have the utmost respect for all the good contractors in my life.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
"opportunities" such as scholarships, prefered hiring agendas, entitlement programs, tax breaks, you mean like those opportunities?
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Sorry. I should have read your sig before attempting to open up any sort of productive dialogue.

My bad. Won't happen again.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Really? Lets see....


I grew up on the lower east side of NY, and in Newark NJ, by the time I got out of high school, I was ineligible for numerous grants that were available for minorities. I could not become an NYPD officer because I literally "was not black or a woman". I had to join the military because there were no scholarships for working poor white d00ds like me. If I were a minority, I had pretty much a world of opportunity with scholarships, enhancement programs, et al.


Please tell me how I had an easier time. Go on.... :lol:


It's completely controversial because it's bull**** being sold as a new bill of goods because it was outed the lefts racism of "lowered expectations", was exposed.
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Where do I sign up for my white privilege? I must of been in the bathroom when they were passing it out! :lamo
 
Kal'Stang said:
I didn't ask for a multitude. I just asked for you to prove your assertion. If one link does that then post that one link. The fact that there may be an endless list of examples from google doesn't mean squat. Particularly when that "list" would include blogs, forum posts, and claims made without proof. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Either provide the proof of your assertion or admit that you have nothing.
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No, Kal, I'm not going to do *your* homework for *you*, and I don't have to admit I have nothing because I told you where all the information is in a way that you, I, or anyone can find the same material. You think I didn't do the search first and verify that what came up to the top of the list were primarily quality links from reliable sources? The whole point of simply posting the google link is that it's so easy to find this information, all you have to do is search on the string I gave you, and anything that comes up will demonstrate what I'm saying, it doesn't matter which one you pick first. I'd say the same thing if you wanted me to post proof that the earth was round, or that water is wet. It's so statistically obvious that if you haven't figured it out yet, perhaps you should be doing a bit of research before continuing the conversation so that you're caught up. Unless you have some reason to want to ignore the statistics, I guess... But as for me, I'm not going to spend a bunch of time linking to things that a) you can find easily for yourself, and b) should know already as someone heavily involved in political debate, and c) given your approach, will likely claim is a "garbage source" anyway.
 
Critter7r said:
Sorry. I should have read your sig before attempting to open up any sort of productive dialogue.

My bad. Won't happen again.
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Is that your way of saying "oh ****...he called me on it and Ive got nothin...."

Cuz...thats what you said, whether you meant to or not.
 
brothern said:
If both of you hand the chance to choose your race at birth - and you had to choose - would you choose to be black or white?
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That is, perhaps the most stupid question i have seen asked regarding the discussion on race.

Do you think middle and upper income black families..families who have known success for generations...are sitting around ****ting themselves moaning "oh my laws...if only we wuz born WHITE..."?
 
VanceMack said:
Is that your way of saying "oh ****...he called me on it and Ive got nothin...."

Cuz...thats what you said, whether you meant to or not.
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The answer to his question, rhetorical as it may be, is "yes. those opportunities".

But he's not looking for an answer. He's looking for internets.

So I gave him one.
 
Critter7r said:
The answer to his question, rhetorical as it may be, is "yes. those opportunities".

But he's not looking for an answer. He's looking for internets.

So I gave him one.
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Actually you didnt give him an answer. You ran and hid. He on the other hand quite rightly pointed out that not only have those enhanced programs across the spectrum been in existence for some 40+ years now, but...good for them...a whole lot of black people have taken advantage of them.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
"opportunities" such as scholarships, prefered hiring agendas, entitlement programs, tax breaks, you mean like those opportunities?
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Yes, and in order to make this non-white privilige clear, why dont you identify all of those scholarships you could not get because you were white, and explain how the NYPDs policy of not hiring white men resulted in a police force that is more than half white males even though they make up less than a third of NYCs population?
 
I don't find that the black guy or the white guy in this boring video have a clue what white privilege is. Nor most of the forum posters, as usual on race issues. I wonder why.

White privilege (in the U.S.) is largely a socio/economic fact that is observed and classified as part of sociology/economics study. Denying it just makes one look like an ignorant fool.

When someone takes that out of the academic setting, and labels a single white individuals accomplishments a direct result of "white privilege", it's just being used as a pejorative. That's not what white privilege is.

When a white guy attacks back, and claims he does not deserve to be labeled has having white privilege because of all these other unrelated factors...he's defending himself against the pejorative label, not the socio/economic fact that he likely enjoys white privilege. As is typically the case. People do not like to be told their achievements were not something they worked for, when clearly in their life experience they have overcome hurdles, tragedies, and fought with their inner self to climb up and achieve something....that's why you don't **** all over people and tell them their accomplishments are largely due to race on a personal level. The black guy was wrong to insult a stranger based on race. The white guy simply defended himself in a tedious yet moderately constructive way.

In contrast, as a matter of sociological studies, and how it relates to actual public policy, it's fact, and should be taken into account, as all important factors should be taken into account.

If some random white guy in a car convinces you that white privilege either doesn't exist, or is irrelevant, because he mistook a personal attack for the academic fact of white privilege, then you made an error, no big...just correct it.
 
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