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Remember when Ted Kennedy was colluding with the Russians?

jghiretire said:
I think it's actually more what Putin has done for Trump. Jr. says they get lots of money from Russia - Sr. says they don't.
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When did that happen?
 
poweRob said:
Soooo desperate.

Not even close to similar. Read your own article.

During the peak of the cold war Ted wanted Andropov to have interviews on US television stations so to lower the dehuminization of one side to the other which would make public will to go to war more difficult. It's not like he arranged loads of meetings that were unreported then asked Andropov to provide a back channel for communications on russian equipment to hide it from American eyes then went on TV and flat out begged them to hack us.... and so on... and so on...

Ted's no saint but on this matter, he is a saint compared to what this administration is doing.
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The article was posted by someone else. Not me.

From your avatar, I assume you are a Lefty. This indicates you are blind to the mutually damning activities of all of the politicians in Washington: The Dems are apparently without sin in your eyes and the Reps live free of merit.

You need to open your eyes. The virtue in politics does not exist. If you think you have seen it, you are simply a willing dupe.

In passing, what is this administration doing that has you so upset?
 
code1211 said:
The article was posted by someone else. Not me.

From your avatar, I assume you are a Lefty. This indicates you are blind to the mutually damning activities of all of the politicians in Washington: The Dems are apparently without sin in your eyes and the Reps live free of merit.

You need to open your eyes. The virtue in politics does not exist. If you think you have seen it, you are simply a willing dupe.

In passing, what is this administration doing that has you so upset?
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This story has been ranted before and I've read up on it. So I know what the hell I'm talking about rather than being someone who posts a headline and then wipes their hands clean of it. Wanna know the source of that article? It's the KGB. And even then it doesn't damn Kennedy for doing anything remotely like what Trump has done.
 
Bucky said:
Did Ted Kennedy seek Soviets' help in effort to defeat Ronald Reagan? KGB memo makes the case | OregonLive.com

But butt...... Reagan was overexagerating when he called the USSR the evil empire!!!!

:lamo
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And this should be no shock.

But you wouldn't need Trump if you were the Russians and Wikileaks to expose things about Hillary. It's dumb. Mentally challenged. You can do it on your own. That would be even if the Russians wanted to do it. Any of these millions of young (or old) computer geeks could have infiltrated the emails of Hillary and DNC members. Frankly, there could be many people with motives to put obstacles in front of Hillary. That's how an investigators mind is supposed to work. Who has motives. Not targeting someone you want to be guilty and then trying to find everything you can to prove they are guilty. Probably why so many innocent Americans sit rotting in prison cells. Hillary was involved in the lynching of Gaddafi, involved in a mass robbery of the wealthy he immorally accumulated (look it up, he was suspected of being the richest man on earth, and US and European Government located his hidden wealth across the US and Europe and confiscated it), told the Libyan fools who followed the Americans that the US wants Lybia divided in poer between Al Qaida, Muslim Brotherhood, and other groups, they want no single, secular, democratically elected government for the whole of Libya. She's been involved in mass destruction of wealth and heritage in Syria and the destruction of countless lives over there. She's been involved in the looting of charitable funds sent to Haiti (and many Haitians supposedly don't like the Clintons due to this). So, there were many peoples that had motives to obstacles in the way of Hillary's success. The Russians were not the only ones with motives.

As for the Soviet Union it infiltrated liberal America as well as the Vatican and whole of the Catholic Church long ago. Yeah, it infiltrated secular, liberal, America. That included the Democratic Party.
 
poweRob said:
This story has been ranted before and I've read up on it. So I know what the hell I'm talking about rather than being someone who posts a headline and then wipes their hands clean of it. Wanna know the source of that article? It's the KGB. And even then it doesn't damn Kennedy for doing anything remotely like what Trump has done.
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Your hate is evident.

The evidence of the crime you are conviced has occurred is missing.

If you have a case, make it. Please, use links to actual real world events.

So far, there is no evidence. If any emerges, that would be a refreshing departure from the ongoing lynch mob activities to date.
 
poweRob said:
This story has been ranted before and I've read up on it. So I know what the hell I'm talking about rather than being someone who posts a headline and then wipes their hands clean of it. Wanna know the source of that article? It's the KGB. And even then it doesn't damn Kennedy for doing anything remotely like what Trump has done.
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Can you link to the PROOF that the KGB is the "source" of that article? I assume not, but i thought I should extend that courtesy to you.
 
code1211 said:
Your hate is evident.

The evidence of the crime you are conviced has occurred is missing.

If you have a case, make it. Please, use links to actual real world events.

So far, there is no evidence. If any emerges, that would be a refreshing departure from the ongoing lynch mob activities to date.
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You are not even staying on topic. You were going on about Kennedy and his Russia ties due to a story about a KGB document. So... what are you talking about here in this massive transformation of the topic?
 
code1211 said:
Can you link to the PROOF that the KGB is the "source" of that article? I assume not, but i thought I should extend that courtesy to you.
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Ok... thanks for the generous courtesy. Now let me direct you to the OP where the link says:

Did Ted Kennedy seek Soviets' help in effort to defeat Ronald Reagan? KGB memo makes the case​

Not sure if you can see it but I highlighted the key point which was specifically in the link in the OP of this thread. Basically, it's supposed to be what this entire thread is about.

I sure hope that this is proof enough for ya.
 
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poweRob said:
Ok... thanks for the generous courtesy. Now let me direct you to the OP where the link says:

Did Ted Kennedy seek Soviets' help in effort to defeat Ronald Reagan? KGB memo makes the case​

Not sure if you can see it but I highlighted the key point which was the link in the OP.

Is that proof enough for ya?
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I see we now have ... But Kennedy ... added to the ... but Clinton(s) ... and ... but Obama ... :lamo

And trump's lawyers telling us that the statute of limitations has run out ... On which crimes ??
 
poweRob said:
You are not even staying on topic. You were going on about Kennedy and his Russia ties due to a story about a KGB document. So... what are you talking about here in this massive transformation of the topic?
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I'm surprised trumposters aren't looking at ... but Nixon's treason ... in the 1968 election and the ... But Reagan/Bush's treason ... in the 1980 election ;
 
NIMBY said:
I'm surprised trumposters aren't looking at ... but Nixon's treason ... in the 1968 election and the ... But Reagan/Bush's treason ... in the 1980 election ;
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No ****. Those guys did some real treason. Trump is jut following along in those typical republican footsteps.
 
poweRob said:
You are not even staying on topic. You were going on about Kennedy and his Russia ties due to a story about a KGB document. So... what are you talking about here in this massive transformation of the topic?
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Again, and I'll try to type slowly so you can understand, I DID NOT POST THAT LINK TO THAT STORY. IT WAS A DIFFERENT POSTER.

You brought it up in a response to me so I responded to you. Do try to keep up.

Do you have anything meaningful to add that makes sense?
 
code1211 said:
Again, and I'll try to type slowly so you can understand, I DID NOT POST THAT LINK TO THAT STORY. IT WAS A DIFFERENT POSTER.

You brought it up in a response to me so I responded to you. Do try to keep up.

Do you have anything meaningful to add that makes sense?
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Never said you posted it. You asked for proof that the story was based on the KGB info, and it's right there in the OP of this thread. Did you not know what thread you were in?
 
poweRob said:
Ok... thanks for the generous courtesy. Now let me direct you to the OP where the link says:

Did Ted Kennedy seek Soviets' help in effort to defeat Ronald Reagan? KGB memo makes the case​

Not sure if you can see it but I highlighted the key point which was specifically in the link in the OP of this thread. Basically, it's supposed to be what this entire thread is about.

I sure hope that this is proof enough for ya.
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Well, I've got to give you props.

You have shown undeniably that Kennedy did what you wish Trump did.

Unfortunately, there is no proof of Trump doing anything like this.

From the original story showing that Kennedy actually DID invite the Russians to interfere in the election:

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/t...eagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html
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Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election.
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In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”
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No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”
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Do you happen to have a memo like this one that Trump sent to "Russia"?
 
code1211 said:
Well, I've got to give you props.

You have shown undeniably that Kennedy did what you wish Trump did.

Unfortunately, there is no proof of Trump doing anything like this.

From the original story showing that Kennedy actually DID invite the Russians to interfere in the election:

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/t...eagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html
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Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election.
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In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”
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No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”
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Do you happen to have a memo like this one that Trump sent to "Russia"?
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So you are finally prepared to concede that the source is the KGB right?
 
Let me clear this ridiculous crap up for the knuckleheads in here...

Fox News host cites Ted Kennedy-KGB meeting that never happened

Supporters of President Donald Trump have defended Donald Trump Jr. and his readiness to receive Russian materials on Hillary Clinton by finding examples when Democrats tried to do something similar. Fox News host Greg Gutfeld brought up the case of Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.

"Nothing will ever come close to Ted Kennedy meeting with the KGB in order to beat Ronald Reagan in 1984," Gutfeld said on his show July 15. "It was a quid pro quo. You help the Dems. We help the USSR. If it worked, we would still have the USSR."

As Gutfeld spoke, a graphic appeared on the screen of a 2009 Forbes magazine article, "Ted Kennedy’s Soviet Gambit."
This isn’t the first time we’ve seen a claim like this, and it’s not the first time this Kennedy-KGB story tracked back to that Forbes story.

So is it true?

Hardly.

There’s not much to back up the tale under any circumstances, but Gutfeld went overboard even relative to the Forbes article. He said Kennedy met
with the KGB, something the Forbes piece doesn’t even mention.

The Forbes article describes a 1983 memo from Viktor Chebrikov, then head of the Soviet spy agency, to Yuri Andropov, the then-general secretary of the Communist Party. Chebrikov wrote that Kennedy’s trusted friend John*Tunney, a former senator from California, had passed along Kennedy’s interest in meeting with Andropov.

So even if you take the memo from KGB agent as gospel, there was no actual meeting between Kennedy and the KGB.
But what about the rest of the details and the memo? Was Kennedy looking to undermine Reagan? That’s murkier than you might expect.

Step back to 1983

In early 1983, Reagan’s plan to place medium-range nuclear missiles in Western Europe generated great concern among voters in the West and also within the leadership of the USSR.

The KGB memo detailed a proposal, ostensibly from Kennedy via Tunney, to de-escalate tensions.

Those steps included Andropov inviting Kennedy and Sen. Mark Hatfield, R-Ore., for a meeting in Moscow. The purpose "would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." In addition, Kennedy’s middleman suggested that Andropov come to the United States where he could do interviews on the big three broadcast networks and speak to the "peaceful intentions of the USSR."

According to the memo, Kennedy’s goal was to "root out the threat of nuclear war, and to improve Soviet-American relations, so that they define the safety of the world."

The memo does mention Kennedy’s interest in the presidency, but the idea was for Kennedy to run in 1988. (Kennedy never ran and supported then-Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis.)

The memo said, "Because he (Kennedy) formally refused to partake in the election campaign of 1984, his speeches would be taken without prejudice as they are not tied to any campaign promises. Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988."

Having served two terms, Reagan would not be on the ballot in 1988.​

Add on top of all this (let me steal a common RW term) NOTHINGBURGER... that to buy into it you have to put full faith and trust into the KGB. Which we all know trumpettes are oh so willing to do.

Looks like ya'll are going to have to find another "What about...????!!!?" to run with. Cause this one is BS as usual.
 
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Redress said:
Man, you can tell desperation has really set in when they got to break out Ted Kennedy to try and divert from current events. Clue for you: he has been dead about 7 years...
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Mary Jo Kopechne has been dead longer.

 
Thanks for the enlightening info... But unnecessary in this case... The "What About Rule," clearly states that you are only allowed to go back as far as Obama, or maybe Bush, and in extraordinary circumstances, Clinton.

You can look all this up in "There You Go Again/You're No Jack Kennedy: A Guide to Clever Retorts."
 
This happened the year I was born and I remember Ted Kennedy as a kind of sad man, but I went ahead and found the letter which really made the rounds in 2009 when Rush Limbaugh said that it was about Kennedy apologizing for America to Russia. I just like contributing to things that are irrelevant and I love the second comment under the letter:

Just the idea of a US Senator’s complicity with Soviet Communists to advance his own political aspirations sickens me. You can’t make this stuff up.
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And then I wonder who that guy voted for?
 
poweRob said:
So you are finally prepared to concede that the source is the KGB right?
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Yes.

Also that I have either annoyed or offended you or both.

I am sorry to have done so.
 
code1211 said:
Yes.

Also that I have either annoyed or offended you or both.

I am sorry to have done so.
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It's not you. This topic annoys me. It's highly deceptive diversionary garbage.
 
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