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Josie said:
Why are you ignoring this question, Henrin? Do you believe there are no women in history who were strong, brave and successful? Really??
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I don't see how it is relevant. I didn't say there wasn't successful women in the past, but that social agendas like this aren't appropriate for a kids picture book. If you really want to know what I think however on the whole female empowerment crap then allow me to share. Well, lets just say this, 60% of people going to college are women, young women are making more than young men, less and less men are working at all, boys are doing worse and worse in school, and in fact, men are falling out of all areas of society, and yet, we still see crap like that stupid statue in New York because apparently girls are doing so badly and need a hands up.
 
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Henrin said:
I don't see how it is relevant. I didn't say there wasn't successful women in the past, but that social agendas like this aren't appropriate for a kids picture book.
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What "social agenda" is being taught with a children's book teaching about successful, brave women in history? How would YOU want successful, brave women in history to be taught?

Henrin said:
If you really want to know what I think however on the whole female empowerment crap then allow me to share. Well, lets just say this, 60% of people going to college are women, young women are making more than young men, less and less men are working at all, boys are doing worse and worse in school, and in fact, men are falling out of all areas of society, and yet, we still see crap like that stupid statue in New York because apparently girls are doing so badly and need a hands up.
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LOL! What?? You truly have some issues going on here, Henrin. I asked you before and you never responded. I'll ask again. Do the women in your life know your thoughts on females? Because, as a women who is on "your side" of the political spectrum, I find that your thoughts on women make you incredibly unattractive and repulsive.
 
Josie said:
Why do kids need to learn about brave, successful women? Seriously, Henrin. Do women in your life know your thoughts on things like this?
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54% of women just voted for a self-proclaimed pu**y grabbing misogynist for their president. So I am not sure most women in this country care anymore. They have successfully been put in their place.
 
Henrin said:
I don't see how it is relevant. I didn't say there wasn't successful women in the past, but that social agendas like this aren't appropriate for a kids picture book. If you really want to know what I think however on the whole female empowerment crap then allow me to share. Well, lets just say this, 60% of people going to college are women, young women are making more than young men, less and less men are working at all, boys are doing worse and worse in school, and in fact, men are falling out of all areas of society, and yet, we still see crap like that stupid statue in New York because apparently girls are doing so badly and need a hands up.
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The answer to this is to inspire the boys to do better, not to suppress the girls so they can both be in the gutter together.
 
ataraxia said:
54% of women just voted for a self-proclaimed pu**y grabbing misogynist for their president. So I am not sure most women in this country care anymore. They have successfully been put in their place.
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No, 54% of voting women voted for Clinton. 42% voted for Trump. That's not 42% of all women -- that's 42% of the women who chose to vote.
 
Josie said:
What "social agenda" is being taught with a children's book teaching about successful, brave women in history? How would YOU want successful, brave women in history to be taught?
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That they want women to be a certain way. Growing up I don't remember a class dedicated to teaching boys or girls about successful brave people. I mean, sure, there was history class, but that was to teach history, not to teach about role models the school wanted children to follow. I also don't remember child's books when I daughter was younger being about these kind of things either. The whole idea of children's book having this theme seems kind of odd to me.

LOL! What?? You truly have some issues going on here, Henrin. I asked you before and you never responded. I'll ask again. Do the women in your life know your thoughts on females? Because, as a women who is on "your side" of the political spectrum, I find that your thoughts on women make you incredibly unattractive and repulsive.
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What I said is statistics and trends of behavior. Do you actually know why that statue exists in New York? The message isn't that women can do great things, but that men are the enemy of women. That the reason that women aren't in upper positions is because of men. That is why she is standing up to the bull, you know. Because that bull is the system of men and she as a strong woman is fighting against it. There is no evidence that men oppress women and yet that statue is going to be there for another year promoting that message.
 
Henrin said:
That they want women to be a certain way.
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And what "way" are these books teaching girls to be?

Henrin said:
Growing up I don't remember a class dedicated to teaching boys or girls about successful brave people. I mean, sure, there was history class, but that was to teach history, not to teach about role models the school wanted children to follow. I also don't remember child's books when I daughter was younger being about these kind of things either. The whole idea of children's book having this theme seems kind of odd to me.
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Please stop saying "child's books" - it's children's books. We're talking about elementary school here. Elementary kids learn about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Sally Ride, Helen Keller, Amelia Earhart, Martin Luther King, Jr. It's called history.

Why on earth is it odd to have books teaching about brave, strong, successful people in history? LOL! I mean -- don't you hear how ridiculous you sound?

Henrin said:
What I said is statistics and trends of behavior. Do you actually know why that statue exists in New York? The message isn't that women can do great things, but that men are the enemy of women. That the reason that women aren't in upper positions is because of men. That is why she is standing up to the bull, you know. Because that bull is the system of men and she as a strong woman is fighting against it. There is no evidence that men oppress women and yet that statue is going to be there for another year promoting that message.
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So you're okay with teaching young girls that women can and have done great things?

Also - you dodged my question again. Why is that?
 
"White guilt and feminism are ruinin' the edumacation system!!11!!"

:lamo
 
Josie said:
And what "way" are these books teaching girls to be?
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Whatever way feminists want them to be.

Please stop saying "child's books" - it's children's books. We're talking about elementary school here. Elementary kids learn about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Sally Ride, Helen Keller, Amelia Earhart, Martin Luther King, Jr. It's called history.
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Same thing. Depends on the reason why they are being taught. George Washington is being taught because he is an important figure in US history, while people like Amelia Earhart are being taught for empowerment reasons, not for historical importance.

Why on earth is it odd to have books teaching about brave, strong, successful people in history? LOL! I mean -- don't you hear how ridiculous you sound?
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Again, it depends on the motivation on why they are being taught.

So you're okay with teaching young girls that women can and have done great things?
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Is there a reason that is needed to be pointed out?

Also - you dodged my question again. Why is that?
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I don't think I did.
 
Henrin said:
Whatever way feminists want them to be.
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Give me an example. Show me a book about strong female women in history and explain what the agenda is.

Henrin said:
Same thing. Depends on the reason why they are being taught. George Washington is being taught because he is important figure in US history, while people like Amelia Earhart are being taught for empowerment reasons, not for historical importance.
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I see. So if I teach about a man in US history --- GOOD. If I teach about a woman in US history --- BAD.

Henrin said:
Is there a reason that is needed to be pointed out?
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What's the reason NOT to point out that there have been strong, successful women in history?

Henrin said:
I don't think I did.
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Sure you did. I asked if the women in your life know how you feel about females.
 
Josie said:
Teaching young girls that they can be strong, brave and successful isn't "propaganda".
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Chillfolks said:
Chelsea allegedly stealing another person's work and claiming it as her own. Another example of the WHITE PRIVLAGE Bill and Hillary thought her to exploit.


Why do for yourself when other will do for you.

Clinton family motto?
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nope...not just the Clintons

anyone rich and powerful
 
ataraxia said:
The answer to this is to inspire the boys to do better, not to suppress the girls so they can both be in the gutter together.
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And yet no one is really doing that, are they? It doesn't really matter anyway since the boys won't do better in the system.
 
Josie said:
Give me an example. Show me a book about strong female women in history and explain what the agenda is.
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Really? There is tons of them. The first that comes to mind is firegirl by Gibson Rich. It's about an eight year old girl that wants to be a firefighter and then her mean daddy comes in breaks the news that girls can't be firefighters. Of course, she proves to her family that is wrong and that girls can be firefighters too. Or how about princess smartypants that rebels against her family that wants her to get married. So what is the agenda do you think? Maybe that is there is a system that is oppressive to women. Of course, these days there is new propaganda in feminists children's books like gender neutral stuff, so in a way this is kind of old news.

It's also important to point out that feminists want boys to read these books too because they should know why it is wrong to be sexist. Because you know, boys could grow up to be sexist pigs. Funny how girls aren't assumed to grow up as sexist pigs.


I see. So if I teach about a man in US history --- GOOD. If I teach about a woman in US history --- BAD.
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Do you know who Charles A. Lindbergh is? Go ahead and check google and tell me why he is not taught, but Amelia Earhart is. Guess who flew across the Atlantic solo first? Why is it that they teach about the first woman to do it, but not the first ever to do it? Could it be that maybe she is taught as an empowerment tool?

What's the reason NOT to point out that there have been strong, successful women in history?
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Again, it depends on the motivation. Pointing out people that did great things is fine if they are of historical importance. The problem however is that many women are mentioned simply because they did something in history and people think more women need mentioned.

Sure you did. I asked if the women in your life know how you feel about females.
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I'm guessing you don't like my answer then. Honestly, I have no idea if they know my position on women.
 
Henrin said:
Really? There is tons of them. The first that comes to mind is firegirl by Gibson Rich. It's about an eight year old girl that wants to be a firefighter and then her mean daddy comes in breaks the news that girls can't be firefighters. Of course, she proves to her family that is wrong and that girls can be firefighters too. Or how about princess smartypants that rebels against her family that wants her to get married. So what is the agenda do you think? Maybe there is there is a system that is oppressive to women. Of course, these days there is new propaganda in feminists children's books like gender neutral stuff, so in a way this is kind of old news.
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We're talking about historical figures, not fictional characters. So I'll ask again -- name a children's book about strong, successful women in history and show me what the "agenda" is.

Henrin said:
Do you know who Charles A. Lindbergh is? Go ahead and check google and tell me why he is not taught, but Amelia Earhart is. Guess who flew across the Atlantic solo first? Why is it that they teach about the first woman to do it, but not the first ever to do it? Could it be that maybe she is taught as an empowerment tool?
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Erm - Lindbergh is taught. The first woman to do XYZ is something to teach about as well. Why wouldn't it be?

Henrin said:
Again, it depends on the motivation. Pointing out people that did great things is fine if they are of historical importance. The problem however is that many women are mentioned simply because they did something in history and people think more women need mentioned.
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Tell me what women in history should be taught about in schools. List them.

Henrin said:
I'm guessing you don't like my answer then. Honestly, I have no idea if they know my position on women.
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Then that tells me that you've never actually told them - you just spout off about it online. Interesting.
 
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