Summary from Poll: Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

Re: Summary from Poll: Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue

Bucky said:

It isn't important. That poll was polluted by rabid liberals who get their political education from CNN and MSNBC. Again, when you are talking to average American citizens, they are concerned about tax reform, national security, protecting our borders, healthcare, jobs, etc..... This Russia-mania probe is simply a distraction in a sad attempt to win seats for Democrats in congress.

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About "average Americans", yes... your claim is true. Just look at CNN in the ratings... they're 13th... behind old cartoons, which is fitting.

But, playing to their weakness for Russian Viagra, and their erection about Russia that will not go away, there are still some issues Demo*rats have not looked at. I'm helping them with their hypocrisy.

My bet is if an "average American" were asked about this matter and the DNC server, and especially because of the seriousness the Demo*rats take this Russian Interference, most would say the DNC should hand their server over to our intel agencies.

My questions is... to my Viagra Rabid Demo*rat friends on this Russian Interference Issue... because you claim it is "serious", why doesn't the DNC hand over their server?

I've had some massive dodges, but cannot recall ONE Demo*rat coming forth and suggesting it should be done.

Hypocrisy seems to be their strong suit.

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zimmer said:

About "average Americans", yes... your claim is true. Just look at CNN in the ratings... they're 13th... behind old cartoons, which is fitting.

But, playing to their weakness for Russian Viagra, and their erection about Russia that will not go away, there are still some issues Demo*rats have not looked at. I'm helping them with their hypocrisy.

My bet is if an "average American" were asked about this matter and the DNC server, and especially because of the seriousness the Demo*rats take this Russian Interference, most would say the DNC should hand their server over to our intel agencies.

My questions is... to my Viagra Rabid Demo*rat friends on this Russian Interference Issue... because you claim it is "serious", why doesn't the DNC hand over their server?

I've had some massive dodges, but cannot recall ONE Demo*rat coming forth and suggesting it should be done.

Hypocrisy seems to be their strong suit.

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This Russia-mania obsession if fascinating given that Democrats didn't give a crap about Russia when Obama was president.

Re: Summary from Poll: Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue

zimmer said:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/poll...election-serious-issue-17.html#post1067400205

Almost 70% said yes...
Which brings me to the whole point of that poll... the setup you could say:

If it is so serious, shouldn't the Demo*rat Nation Committee "server" be looked at by national security Bureau's to learn how they were penetrated, by whom and what was penetrated?

I look forward to all the Demo*rats responding about this "serious" issue... breach.

I am 100% certain Demo*rats will be eager to have this server looked at by our intel agencies.

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you missed a few "k"s...
Wow, three to be exact. Subliminal messaging Zimmer ? :mrgreen:

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katzgar said:

She won, the polls were correct

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lol - this is how it works in liberal-land. They just make stuff up, because they're completely ignorant of the rule book (and nor would they care, even if they knew).

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Bucky said:

It isn't important. That poll was polluted by rabid liberals who get their political education from CNN and MSNBC. Again, when you are talking to average American citizens, they are concerned about tax reform, national security, protecting our borders, healthcare, jobs, etc..... This Russia-mania probe is simply a distraction in a sad attempt to win seats for Democrats in congress.

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CNN was pretty good in its attempt to produce objective balance of news. Everything on CNN now has the same slant and news is always the same only in different words. It is always bent in the same direction. It is like RT too boring to watch other than as a balance, whose weight you know.

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zimmer said:

1. I stated at the start of the post, almost 70% said it was a serious issue.

2. I did not make a claim one way or the other about it being a serious issue.

3. The poll was created to identify those (Leftists) who believed Russian Interference is a "serious" issue. Most, if not all believe it is a serious issue, and were quite vocal about it.

4. With Pt. 3 in mind, we get to the thrust of the poll and this thread... which is... the DNC server has been hacked, but we are not sure by whom. With this being a "serious" issue, shouldn't the DNC hand over the server, and why are Demo*rats such hypocrites on this issue?

5. You ask about the FBI and DNC knowing the server was hacked before the DNC.

I don't *now that is true (they offered to help with security, and the RNC accepted the offer, the DNC refused it)... but in any event, that point is moot to my poll and the question derived from that poll... which is... one again... if Russian Interference is a "serious" issue, why doesn;t the DNC hand over their hacked server to our intel agencies?

For the good of the nation?

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Well...if your poll was created to identify "those leftists"...then you failed miserably...because your poll doesn't show any names or political affiliation. But it does show that an overwhelming majority of people on this forum think the issue is serious. So are you saying they're all leftists? Because that would be naively stupid if you are.

The Russians hacked the DNC server....that's not even debatable and hasn't been for almost a year. The point is, the FBI already knew the DNC server was hacked because they're the ones that told the DNC...so there was no need for the DNC to hand over their server. Besides, the DNC hired a former FBI expert in cyber security to inspect their server and the FBI accepted his findings. And too, because the FBI handled it so poorly from the beginning, it's disputable whether they even asked to inspect the DNC server at all.

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Moot said:

Well...if your poll was created to identify "those leftists"...then you failed miserably...because your poll doesn't show any names or political affiliation. But it does show that an overwhelming majority of people on this forum think the issue is serious. So are you saying they're all leftists? Because that would be naively stupid if you are.

The Russians hacked the DNC server....that's not even debatable and hasn't been for almost a year. The point is, the FBI already knew the DNC server was hacked because they're the ones that told the DNC...so there was no need for the DNC to hand over their server. Besides, the DNC hired a former FBI expert in cyber security to inspect their server and the FBI accepted his findings. And too, because the FBI handled it so poorly from the beginning, it's disputable whether they even asked to inspect the DNC server at all.

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ROTFLOL... you obviously failed to read the commentary of the thread generated by the poll, nor the commentary here.

There is a need for the DNC to hand over their server... so our intel agencies can learn who, what, when, where and how.

But, Demo*rats continue dodging.

It's been fun, and you exhibited all the traits of I expected from the hypocritical Left.

I than* you.

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ballantine said:

lol - this is how it works in liberal-land. They just make stuff up, because they're completely ignorant of the rule book (and nor would they care, even if they knew).

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And they don't realize the two election systems require totally different tactics. Just seems to have done flewed rite over der headz.

That might explain why Hillary lost. She and her minions did not know it was an electoral college election... so she spent tons of time in CA, and other states she had sewn up, and ignored the states that really mattered.

Oh well... better luck next time my Demo*rat friends.

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Cisero said:

you missed a few "k"s...
Wow, three to be exact. Subliminal messaging Zimmer ? :mrgreen:

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I'll get better at it... believe me... I have to... or else!!!:mrgreen:

A shame you live in the low rent end of CH, or I'd drop by for a beer. eace

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zimmer said:

ROTFLOL... you obviously failed to read the commentary of the thread generated by the poll, nor the commentary here.

There is a need for the DNC to hand over their server... so our intel agencies can learn who, what, when, where and how.

But, Demo*rats continue dodging.

It's been fun, and you exhibited all the traits of I expected from the hypocritical Left.

I than* you.

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NEWFLASH: All sixteen Intel agencies are 99.9% sure the Russians hacked the DNC server. Like I said...it's not even debatable anymore.

You're just beating a dead horse, zimmer.

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Moot said:

NEWFLASH: All sixteen Intel agencies are 99.9% sure the Russians hacked the DNC server. Like I said...it's not even debatable anymore.

You're just beating a dead horse, zimmer.

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Question Moot, which one of those Intel agencies did a forensic analysis of the DNC's server ??

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zimmer said:

I'll get better at it... believe me... I have to... or else!!!:mrgreen:

A shame you live in the low rent end of CH, or I'd drop by for a beer. eace

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Valais is the most beautiful Canton though ! :mrgreen: We've got mountains, cheese, wonderful dried meat and the best wine in the country.
If you do come over, PM me and I'll treat you to some proper Fendant

Re: Summary from Poll: Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue

Moot said:

Well...if your poll was created to identify "those leftists"...then you failed miserably...because your poll doesn't show any names or political affiliation. But it does show that an overwhelming majority of people on this forum think the issue is serious. So are you saying they're all leftists? Because that would be naively stupid if you are.

The Russians hacked the DNC server....that's not even debatable and hasn't been for almost a year. The point is, the FBI already knew the DNC server was hacked because they're the ones that told the DNC...so there was no need for the DNC to hand over their server. Besides, the DNC hired a former FBI expert in cyber security to inspect their server and the FBI accepted his findings. And too, because the FBI handled it so poorly from the beginning, it's disputable whether they even asked to inspect the DNC server at all.

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"it's disputable whether they even asked to inspect the DNC server at all"

"The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday.

The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators."

Comey: DNC denied FBI's requests for access to hacked servers | TheHill

"President Obama’s homeland security chief on Wednesday told a House panel investigating Russian meddling in the November election that, much to his disappointment, Democratic National Committee officials declined an offer by his agency to help even after they learned the committee had been hacked."

Jeh Johnson: Dems declined help from Department of Homeland Security after election hack - Washington Times

^^ this is old news Moot, do try and keep up.

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hanger4 said:

Question Moot, which one of those Intel agencies did a forensic analysis of the DNC's server ??

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Three cyber security firms examined the DNC server and all concluded the same thing. I think the FBI has hired Crowdstrike before...so they know their work. They should because the founder of Crowdstrike is a former FBI cyber security investigator. I think Comey even said the FBI trusts their judgement and thats why they didn't ask or need to examine the server.

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hanger4 said:

"it's disputable whether they even asked to inspect the DNC server at all"

"The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday.

The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators."

Comey: DNC denied FBI's requests for access to hacked servers | TheHill

"President Obama’s homeland security chief on Wednesday told a House panel investigating Russian meddling in the November election that, much to his disappointment, Democratic National Committee officials declined an offer by his agency to help even after they learned the committee had been hacked."

Jeh Johnson: Dems declined help from Department of Homeland Security after election hack - Washington Times

^^ this is old news Moot, do try and keep up.

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The DNC denies the FBI asked to see their server....




Apparently that's new news to you....so maybe you're the one that needs to keep up.

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Moot said:

The DNC denies the FBI asked to see their server....

" The DNC told BuzzFeed in a statement published last week that the FBI never requested access to its servers after they were breached.....


But a former FBI official told The Hill it's not unusual for the bureau to bypass a direct examination of a hacked server.

"In nine out of 10 cases, we don't need access, we don't ask for access, we don't get access. That's the normal [procedure],” Leo Taddeo, a former special agent in charge of the cyber division of the FBI’s New York office, told The Hill.

“It's extraordinarily rare for the FBI to get access to the victim's infrastructure because we could mess it up," he added. "We usually ask for the logs and images, and 99 out of a hundred times, that's sufficient.”

FBI, Dems bicker over investigation of hacked servers | TheHill​

Apparently that's new news to you....so maybe you're the one that needs to keep up.

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"The DNC denies the FBI asked to see their server"

^^ If this is true then Comey and Johnson lied under oath.
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As to the rest of your post, the claims of foreign interference in our elections must not be as serious as the media, you, left, et all make it out to be.

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hanger4 said:

"The DNC denies the FBI asked to see their server"

^^ If this is true then Comey and Johnson lied under oath.
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As to the rest of your post, the claims of foreign interference in our elections must not be as serious as the media, you, left, et all make it out to be.

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It wouldn't be the first time that Comey didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't know that State Department said the three marked emails were marked in error, either.



Look, just because Comey was wrong about the FBI asking to see the DNC server....doesn't mean that the Russians meddling in our elections isn't serious. Good grief. :roll:

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Moot said:

It wouldn't be the first time that Comey didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't know that State Department said the three marked emails were marked in error, either.

"...Comey told the committee he is “highly confident” that FBI investigators consulted with the State Department about the marked emails. But he said he did not know that the department believes that any of them were marked in error....

But later in the hearing, Democratic Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman asked Comey if he knew that the State Department had said that the emails were marked classified in error. Comey replied, “No.”

Revisiting Clinton and Classified Information - FactCheck.org​

Look, just because Comey was wrong about the FBI asking to see the DNC server....doesn't mean that the Russians meddling in our elections isn't serious. Good grief. :roll:

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"wrong" ?? That's not wrong, you're accusing Comey of perjury. Other intelligence officials corroborated Comey's statement.

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The DNC. Is Clinton, Inc, combined with the Clinton Foundation who primarily money launders and peddles influence, and you are asking why things are hinky?

Justice does not come to people like that. The Washington elite is all in it together.

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ballantine said:

lol - this is how it works in liberal-land. They just make stuff up, because they're completely ignorant of the rule book (and nor would they care, even if they knew).

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This is really simple dude the poll said she would win the popular vote and she won the popular vote it was in all the papers don't try and fake your own reality because it doesn't work that way anymore

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Moot said:

NEWFLASH: All sixteen Intel agencies are 99.9% sure the Russians hacked the DNC server. Like I said...it's not even debatable anymore.

You're just beating a dead horse, zimmer.

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Very good.

The thrust of my post and poll is: Why then doesn't the DNC allow our intel services inspect who, when, where, and how the system was penetrated, and what they got?

For the good of the nation.

Just saying it was done does not evidence provide. Only inspection does. Perhaps it was the NK's or Chinese. Who knows for sure, unless our intel services inspect the device.

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hanger4 said:

"wrong" ?? That's not wrong, you're accusing Comey of perjury. Other intelligence officials corroborated Comey's statement.

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And other officials said he was wrong. :shrug:

A person can be wrong about something without lying or committing perjury....such is the case with Comey.

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zimmer said:

Very good.

The thrust of my post and poll is: Why then doesn't the DNC allow our intel services inspect who, when, where, and how the system was penetrated, and what they got?

For the good of the nation.

Just saying it was done does not evidence provide. Only inspection does. Perhaps it was the NK's or Chinese. Who knows for sure, unless our intel services inspect the device.

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It seems you've spent your entire thread repeating the thrust of your posts and ignoring everyone's responses. I think I've had enough and will leave you to wallow in your own circular reasoning.

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Moot said:

And other officials said he was wrong. :shrug:

A person can be wrong about something without lying or committing perjury....such is the case with Comey.

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So all this is just wrong;

The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday.

The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators.

“We’d always prefer to have access hands-on ourselves if that’s possible,” Comey said, noting that he didn’t know why the DNC rebuffed the FBI’s request.

The director was testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee in a rare open session on Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election.
The DNC and the bureau have been quibbling in news reports over whether the FBI asked to examine its servers directly.

The DNC told BuzzFeed in a statement published last week that the FBI never requested access to its servers after they were breached.

But a senior law enforcement official disputed that characterization the following day.

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” the official said.

“This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”

CrowdStrike, the private security firm in question, has published extensive forensic analysis backing up its assessment that the threat groups that infiltrated the DNC were associated with Russian intelligence.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-fbi-did-request-access-to-hacked-dnc-servers

That's a lot of just wrong Moot.

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zimmer said:

Very good.

The thrust of my post and poll is: Why then doesn't the DNC allow our intel services inspect who, when, where, and how the system was penetrated, and what they got?

For the good of the nation.

Just saying it was done does not evidence provide. Only inspection does. Perhaps it was the NK's or Chinese. Who knows for sure, unless our intel services inspect the device.

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Arg...my knee jerk thought on this thread is to troll it, because it's yours, Zimmer.

However................you're right. Ugh...I need a shower now.

If the DNC servers were hacked, and if they haven't already been inspected, they should be, and both sides (Left and Right) should be behind this, it's a threat to your national security that should trump partisanship, get it sorted.

Maybe it's your reduction in "K's" that has me so agreeable today. It's a better look on you. Perhaps "new and improved" Zimmer will be a little less troll-worthy than the old Zimmer...guess we'll see.